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Crash at Worlds Women's TT (spoilers)
Op vrijdag 25 september 2020 om 19:14:14 UTC+2 schreef Mark J.:
On 9/24/2020 11:42 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op vrijdag 25 september 2020 om 06:27:46 UTC+2 schreef Mark J.: One of the major competitors at the World Championships Women's TT had a nasty crash (but expected to "fully recover"). You can see a clear shot in the first 10 seconds of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEzFIQmDJYU [video contains race spoilers] Somehow I think this will be the most-discussed crash since Beloki in the 2003 Tour. Question: It appears the front wheel takes a sharp jolt just before going into an uncontrolled speed wobble. What was the jolt - or what was the overall cause? Blowout? Broken spoke? Rim failure? Something else? Discuss. Mark J. It was told here that she had a flat in the front. Lou I heard commentators speculate so, seeing the same video we did. Have you heard this reported from a reliable on-site source? Partly I ask because, at such a lean in a turn, I would expect a front blowout to bring the rider down right away rather than just set up a wobble. Then there's the different behavior of flat clinchers vs flat sewups, but it's not obvious which she was riding after recent developments in TT tire usage. Mark J. No I had no confirmation. Didn't look for it either. Lou |
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Crash at Worlds Women's TT (spoilers)
On 9/25/2020 2:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Local television station in her home town reports surgery to repair torn quadriceps. Ouch. My very first riding buddy was cutting trees with a chainsaw. He somehow put the chainsaw through his quadriceps. AFAIK, he never rode again. I hope her injury is much less severe than his. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Crash at Worlds Women's TT (spoilers)
Op zaterdag 26 september 2020 om 00:17:38 UTC+2 schreef Lou Holtman:
Op vrijdag 25 september 2020 om 19:14:14 UTC+2 schreef Mark J.: On 9/24/2020 11:42 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op vrijdag 25 september 2020 om 06:27:46 UTC+2 schreef Mark J.: One of the major competitors at the World Championships Women's TT had a nasty crash (but expected to "fully recover"). You can see a clear shot in the first 10 seconds of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEzFIQmDJYU [video contains race spoilers] Somehow I think this will be the most-discussed crash since Beloki in the 2003 Tour. Question: It appears the front wheel takes a sharp jolt just before going into an uncontrolled speed wobble. What was the jolt - or what was the overall cause? Blowout? Broken spoke? Rim failure? Something else? Discuss. Mark J. It was told here that she had a flat in the front. Lou I heard commentators speculate so, seeing the same video we did. Have you heard this reported from a reliable on-site source? Partly I ask because, at such a lean in a turn, I would expect a front blowout to bring the rider down right away rather than just set up a wobble. Then there's the different behavior of flat clinchers vs flat sewups, but it's not obvious which she was riding after recent developments in TT tire usage. Mark J. No I had no confirmation. Didn't look for it either. Lou Watching the womens world champions race at the moment on Belgium televison. They stated that there was nothing wrong with the bike and it was a riders error. Lou |
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On 9/26/2020 8:59 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 26 september 2020 om 00:17:38 UTC+2 schreef Lou Holtman: Op vrijdag 25 september 2020 om 19:14:14 UTC+2 schreef Mark J.: On 9/24/2020 11:42 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op vrijdag 25 september 2020 om 06:27:46 UTC+2 schreef Mark J.: One of the major competitors at the World Championships Women's TT had a nasty crash (but expected to "fully recover"). You can see a clear shot in the first 10 seconds of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEzFIQmDJYU [video contains race spoilers] Somehow I think this will be the most-discussed crash since Beloki in the 2003 Tour. Question: It appears the front wheel takes a sharp jolt just before going into an uncontrolled speed wobble. What was the jolt - or what was the overall cause? Blowout? Broken spoke? Rim failure? Something else? Discuss. Mark J. It was told here that she had a flat in the front. Lou I heard commentators speculate so, seeing the same video we did. Have you heard this reported from a reliable on-site source? Partly I ask because, at such a lean in a turn, I would expect a front blowout to bring the rider down right away rather than just set up a wobble. Then there's the different behavior of flat clinchers vs flat sewups, but it's not obvious which she was riding after recent developments in TT tire usage. Mark J. No I had no confirmation. Didn't look for it either. Lou Watching the womens world champions race at the moment on Belgium televison. They stated that there was nothing wrong with the bike and it was a riders error. What would that error be? -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Crash at Worlds Women's TT (spoilers)
Op zaterdag 26 september 2020 om 19:21:35 UTC+2 schreef Frank Krygowski:
On 9/26/2020 8:59 AM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op zaterdag 26 september 2020 om 00:17:38 UTC+2 schreef Lou Holtman: Op vrijdag 25 september 2020 om 19:14:14 UTC+2 schreef Mark J.: On 9/24/2020 11:42 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op vrijdag 25 september 2020 om 06:27:46 UTC+2 schreef Mark J.: One of the major competitors at the World Championships Women's TT had a nasty crash (but expected to "fully recover"). You can see a clear shot in the first 10 seconds of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEzFIQmDJYU [video contains race spoilers] Somehow I think this will be the most-discussed crash since Beloki in the 2003 Tour. Question: It appears the front wheel takes a sharp jolt just before going into an uncontrolled speed wobble. What was the jolt - or what was the overall cause? Blowout? Broken spoke? Rim failure? Something else? Discuss. Mark J. It was told here that she had a flat in the front. Lou I heard commentators speculate so, seeing the same video we did. Have you heard this reported from a reliable on-site source? Partly I ask because, at such a lean in a turn, I would expect a front blowout to bring the rider down right away rather than just set up a wobble. Then there's the different behavior of flat clinchers vs flat sewups, but it's not obvious which she was riding after recent developments in TT tire usage. Mark J. No I had no confirmation. Didn't look for it either. Lou Watching the womens world champions race at the moment on Belgium televison. They stated that there was nothing wrong with the bike and it was a riders error. What would that error be? -- - Frank Krygowski Too high speed for that bend and overreact while trying to correct. Lou |
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On 9/26/2020 1:27 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 26 september 2020 om 19:21:35 UTC+2 schreef Frank Krygowski: On 9/26/2020 8:59 AM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op zaterdag 26 september 2020 om 00:17:38 UTC+2 schreef Lou Holtman: Op vrijdag 25 september 2020 om 19:14:14 UTC+2 schreef Mark J.: On 9/24/2020 11:42 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op vrijdag 25 september 2020 om 06:27:46 UTC+2 schreef Mark J.: One of the major competitors at the World Championships Women's TT had a nasty crash (but expected to "fully recover"). You can see a clear shot in the first 10 seconds of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEzFIQmDJYU [video contains race spoilers] Somehow I think this will be the most-discussed crash since Beloki in the 2003 Tour. Question: It appears the front wheel takes a sharp jolt just before going into an uncontrolled speed wobble. What was the jolt - or what was the overall cause? Blowout? Broken spoke? Rim failure? Something else? Discuss. Mark J. It was told here that she had a flat in the front. Lou I heard commentators speculate so, seeing the same video we did. Have you heard this reported from a reliable on-site source? Partly I ask because, at such a lean in a turn, I would expect a front blowout to bring the rider down right away rather than just set up a wobble. Then there's the different behavior of flat clinchers vs flat sewups, but it's not obvious which she was riding after recent developments in TT tire usage. Mark J. No I had no confirmation. Didn't look for it either. Lou Watching the womens world champions race at the moment on Belgium televison. They stated that there was nothing wrong with the bike and it was a riders error. What would that error be? -- - Frank Krygowski Too high speed for that bend and overreact while trying to correct. I can understand those factors causing a crash, but I don't think they explain the wobble. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 4:10:59 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/26/2020 1:27 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op zaterdag 26 september 2020 om 19:21:35 UTC+2 schreef Frank Krygowski: On 9/26/2020 8:59 AM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op zaterdag 26 september 2020 om 00:17:38 UTC+2 schreef Lou Holtman: Op vrijdag 25 september 2020 om 19:14:14 UTC+2 schreef Mark J.: On 9/24/2020 11:42 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op vrijdag 25 september 2020 om 06:27:46 UTC+2 schreef Mark J.: One of the major competitors at the World Championships Women's TT had a nasty crash (but expected to "fully recover"). You can see a clear shot in the first 10 seconds of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEzFIQmDJYU [video contains race spoilers] Somehow I think this will be the most-discussed crash since Beloki in the 2003 Tour. Question: It appears the front wheel takes a sharp jolt just before going into an uncontrolled speed wobble. What was the jolt - or what was the overall cause? Blowout? Broken spoke? Rim failure? Something else? Discuss. Mark J. It was told here that she had a flat in the front. Lou I heard commentators speculate so, seeing the same video we did. Have you heard this reported from a reliable on-site source? Partly I ask because, at such a lean in a turn, I would expect a front blowout to bring the rider down right away rather than just set up a wobble. Then there's the different behavior of flat clinchers vs flat sewups, but it's not obvious which she was riding after recent developments in TT tire usage. Mark J. No I had no confirmation. Didn't look for it either. Lou Watching the womens world champions race at the moment on Belgium televison. They stated that there was nothing wrong with the bike and it was a riders error. What would that error be? -- - Frank Krygowski Too high speed for that bend and overreact while trying to correct. I can understand those factors causing a crash, but I don't think they explain the wobble. The lever arm created by those aero bars may account for some of the wobble. -- Jay Beattie |
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On 9/26/2020 6:10 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/26/2020 1:27 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op zaterdag 26 september 2020 om 19:21:35 UTC+2 schreef Frank Krygowski: On 9/26/2020 8:59 AM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op zaterdag 26 september 2020 om 00:17:38 UTC+2 schreef Lou Holtman: Op vrijdag 25 september 2020 om 19:14:14 UTC+2 schreef Mark J.: On 9/24/2020 11:42 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op vrijdag 25 september 2020 om 06:27:46 UTC+2 schreef Mark J.: One of the major competitors at the World Championships Women's TT had a nasty crash (but expected to "fully recover"). You can see a clear shot in the first 10 seconds of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEzFIQmDJYU [video contains race spoilers] Somehow I think this will be the most-discussed crash since Beloki in the 2003 Tour. Question: It appears the front wheel takes a sharp jolt just before going into an uncontrolled speed wobble. What was the jolt - or what was the overall cause? Blowout? Broken spoke? Rim failure? Something else? Discuss. Mark J. It was told here that she had a flat in the front. Lou I heard commentators speculate so, seeing the same video we did. Have you heard this reported from a reliable on-site source? Partly I ask because, at such a lean in a turn, I would expect a front blowout to bring the rider down right away rather than just set up a wobble. Then there's the different behavior of flat clinchers vs flat sewups, but it's not obvious which she was riding after recent developments in TT tire usage. Mark J. No I had no confirmation. Didn't look for it either. Lou Watching the womens world champions race at the moment on Belgium televison. They stated that there was nothing wrong with the bike and it was a riders error. What would that error be? -- - Frank Krygowski Too high speed for that bend and overreact while trying to correct. I can understand those factors causing a crash, but I don't think they explain the wobble. I do not know but I'm with you. There's some unknown event in the middle of that otherwise smooth normal turn. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Op zondag 27 september 2020 om 19:34:52 UTC+2 schreef AMuzi:
On 9/26/2020 6:10 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/26/2020 1:27 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op zaterdag 26 september 2020 om 19:21:35 UTC+2 schreef Frank Krygowski: On 9/26/2020 8:59 AM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op zaterdag 26 september 2020 om 00:17:38 UTC+2 schreef Lou Holtman: Op vrijdag 25 september 2020 om 19:14:14 UTC+2 schreef Mark J.: On 9/24/2020 11:42 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op vrijdag 25 september 2020 om 06:27:46 UTC+2 schreef Mark J.: One of the major competitors at the World Championships Women's TT had a nasty crash (but expected to "fully recover"). You can see a clear shot in the first 10 seconds of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEzFIQmDJYU [video contains race spoilers] Somehow I think this will be the most-discussed crash since Beloki in the 2003 Tour. Question: It appears the front wheel takes a sharp jolt just before going into an uncontrolled speed wobble. What was the jolt - or what was the overall cause? Blowout? Broken spoke? Rim failure? Something else? Discuss. Mark J. It was told here that she had a flat in the front. Lou I heard commentators speculate so, seeing the same video we did. Have you heard this reported from a reliable on-site source? Partly I ask because, at such a lean in a turn, I would expect a front blowout to bring the rider down right away rather than just set up a wobble. Then there's the different behavior of flat clinchers vs flat sewups, but it's not obvious which she was riding after recent developments in TT tire usage. Mark J. No I had no confirmation. Didn't look for it either. Lou Watching the womens world champions race at the moment on Belgium televison. They stated that there was nothing wrong with the bike and it was a riders error. What would that error be? -- - Frank Krygowski Too high speed for that bend and overreact while trying to correct. I can understand those factors causing a crash, but I don't think they explain the wobble. I do not know but I'm with you. There's some unknown event in the middle of that otherwise smooth normal turn. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 The statement of the Belgium TV host was based on a tweet of the official US cycling team. It could be that they want to hide an equipment failure. Lou |
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On Sunday, September 27, 2020 at 10:42:01 AM UTC-7, wrote:
The statement of the Belgium TV host was based on a tweet of the official US cycling team. It could be that they want to hide an equipment failure. I wouldn't put a great deal of faith in that comment since they are bound to offer brand loyalty to their bike sponsor. I am still pretty certain that it was a rapid though not instantaneous flat.. I an very am very familiar with that sort of attempt to retain control when a soft tire removes your traction. And as Jay said, this sort of problem would be exacerbated with the long TT bars. |
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