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I had heard that Trek was going to have a new material for their bike frames. Well, in fact it is a new material for helmets. Styrofoam worked for preventing skull fractures but that is not a source of cycling injuries on the whole - concussions are.
The new material will NOT offer the ultimate safety as the Styrofoam did but it is WAY softer in the manner of crushing and will eliminate most of the concussions. While this won't meet the helmet standards I have no doubt that they will make a new standard for this material since it will probably save 70% or more of the NORMAL injuries from bicycle accidents. It will be several years before statistics are available to compare these helmets to the injury rate but I have great hope for them. They will come in two types - the normal road helmet and that anti-twist system that almost doubles the price of a helmet and for which I do not see much in the way of improvement if the crush of the helmet material is so much softer. Interesting is that I suspect that they will use this material for the mold around which to form a carbon fiber frame. It will not add any more weight than the inflatable molds they presently use and it is likely that with a more solid mold that voids and gaps will be reduced or even eliminated. |
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:16:02 +0700, John B. Slocomb
wrote: On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 08:39:02 +1100, James wrote: On 21/3/19 3:51 am, wrote: I had heard that Trek was going to have a new material for their bike frames. Well, in fact it is a new material for helmets. Styrofoam worked for preventing skull fractures but that is not a source of cycling injuries on the whole - concussions are. The new material will NOT offer the ultimate safety as the Styrofoam did but it is WAY softer in the manner of crushing and will eliminate most of the concussions. While this won't meet the helmet standards I have no doubt that they will make a new standard for this material since it will probably save 70% or more of the NORMAL injuries from bicycle accidents. Looking at statistics from the EU, it seems that about 80% of cycling injuries presented at the ER, are to body regions other than the head. How can a new helmet material save 70% of the normal injuries from bicycle accidents when 80% of the injured don't have a head injury? BUT! It is NEW and only costs a tiny bit more and everyone KNOWS that helmets save lives! (and the profit margin is fantastic) -- Cheers, John B. |
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On 3/20/2019 2:39 PM, James wrote:
On 21/3/19 3:51 am, wrote: I had heard that Trek was going to have a new material for their bike frames. Well, in fact it is a new material for helmets. Styrofoam worked for preventing skull fractures but that is not a source of cycling injuries on the whole - concussions are. The new material will NOT offer the ultimate safety as the Styrofoam did but it is WAY softer in the manner of crushing and will eliminate most of the concussions. While this won't meet the helmet standards I have no doubt that they will make a new standard for this material since it will probably save 70% or more of the NORMAL injuries from bicycle accidents. Looking at statistics from the EU, it seems that about 80% of cycling injuries presented at the ER, are to body regions other than the head. How can a new helmet material save 70% of the normal injuries from bicycle accidents when 80% of the injured don't have a head injury? There's an article about the new helmet material he https://www.popsci.com/trek-wavecel-bicycle-helmet-science#page-5. The key feature is the improved concussion protection. |
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On Wednesday, March 20, 2019 at 7:57:43 PM UTC-4, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2019 2:39 PM, James wrote: On 21/3/19 3:51 am, wrote: I had heard that Trek was going to have a new material for their bike frames. Well, in fact it is a new material for helmets. Styrofoam worked for preventing skull fractures but that is not a source of cycling injuries on the whole - concussions are. The new material will NOT offer the ultimate safety as the Styrofoam did but it is WAY softer in the manner of crushing and will eliminate most of the concussions. While this won't meet the helmet standards I have no doubt that they will make a new standard for this material since it will probably save 70% or more of the NORMAL injuries from bicycle accidents. Looking at statistics from the EU, it seems that about 80% of cycling injuries presented at the ER, are to body regions other than the head. How can a new helmet material save 70% of the normal injuries from bicycle accidents when 80% of the injured don't have a head injury? There's an article about the new helmet material he https://www.popsci.com/trek-wavecel-bicycle-helmet-science#page-5. The key feature is the improved concussion protection. And as usual, the unspoken assumption behind the article is that cycling produces so many brain injuries that cyclists _need_ protection. Yet any dispassionate examination of the relevant data shows that cycling is not abnormally risky. Cyclists comprise only a tiny percentage of serious brain injury victims, and cycling's benefits far outweigh its tiny risks. But that doesn't even slow down the fear mongers. - Frank Krygowski |
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On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 18:42:17 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote: On Wednesday, March 20, 2019 at 7:57:43 PM UTC-4, sms wrote: On 3/20/2019 2:39 PM, James wrote: On 21/3/19 3:51 am, wrote: I had heard that Trek was going to have a new material for their bike frames. Well, in fact it is a new material for helmets. Styrofoam worked for preventing skull fractures but that is not a source of cycling injuries on the whole - concussions are. The new material will NOT offer the ultimate safety as the Styrofoam did but it is WAY softer in the manner of crushing and will eliminate most of the concussions. While this won't meet the helmet standards I have no doubt that they will make a new standard for this material since it will probably save 70% or more of the NORMAL injuries from bicycle accidents. Looking at statistics from the EU, it seems that about 80% of cycling injuries presented at the ER, are to body regions other than the head. How can a new helmet material save 70% of the normal injuries from bicycle accidents when 80% of the injured don't have a head injury? There's an article about the new helmet material he https://www.popsci.com/trek-wavecel-bicycle-helmet-science#page-5. The key feature is the improved concussion protection. And as usual, the unspoken assumption behind the article is that cycling produces so many brain injuries that cyclists _need_ protection. Yet any dispassionate examination of the relevant data shows that cycling is not abnormally risky. Cyclists comprise only a tiny percentage of serious brain injury victims, and cycling's benefits far outweigh its tiny risks. But that doesn't even slow down the fear mongers. - Frank Krygowski But Frank. It's NEW and they say that it is better and everyone knows that a helmet will save your life. What's not to like? And $149.99 (plus shipping) for the cheap one and $299.99 for the better (one assumes) model :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:16:41 +0700, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:16:02 +0700, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 08:39:02 +1100, James wrote: On 21/3/19 3:51 am, wrote: I had heard that Trek was going to have a new material for their bike frames. Well, in fact it is a new material for helmets. Styrofoam worked for preventing skull fractures but that is not a source of cycling injuries on the whole - concussions are. The new material will NOT offer the ultimate safety as the Styrofoam did but it is WAY softer in the manner of crushing and will eliminate most of the concussions. While this won't meet the helmet standards I have no doubt that they will make a new standard for this material since it will probably save 70% or more of the NORMAL injuries from bicycle accidents. Looking at statistics from the EU, it seems that about 80% of cycling injuries presented at the ER, are to body regions other than the head. How can a new helmet material save 70% of the normal injuries from bicycle accidents when 80% of the injured don't have a head injury? BUT! It is NEW and only costs a tiny bit more and everyone KNOWS that helmets save lives! (and the profit margin is fantastic) Ignorng the requirement for that 'certification sticker", just how hard would it be to build your own helmet? A distorted plastic bowl with a set of straps attached, the linen with a thick coat of spray foam. it would probably as good as the ones they sell? |
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On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 1:40:11 AM UTC-4, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:16:41 +0700, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:16:02 +0700, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 08:39:02 +1100, James wrote: On 21/3/19 3:51 am, wrote: I had heard that Trek was going to have a new material for their bike frames. Well, in fact it is a new material for helmets. Styrofoam worked for preventing skull fractures but that is not a source of cycling injuries on the whole - concussions are. The new material will NOT offer the ultimate safety as the Styrofoam did but it is WAY softer in the manner of crushing and will eliminate most of the concussions. While this won't meet the helmet standards I have no doubt that they will make a new standard for this material since it will probably save 70% or more of the NORMAL injuries from bicycle accidents. Looking at statistics from the EU, it seems that about 80% of cycling injuries presented at the ER, are to body regions other than the head. How can a new helmet material save 70% of the normal injuries from bicycle accidents when 80% of the injured don't have a head injury? BUT! It is NEW and only costs a tiny bit more and everyone KNOWS that helmets save lives! (and the profit margin is fantastic) Ignorng the requirement for that 'certification sticker", just how hard would it be to build your own helmet? A distorted plastic bowl with a set of straps attached, the linen with a thick coat of spray foam. it would probably as good as the ones they sell? I often wonder just how effective a bicycle helmet is. I have had a nasty fall where the helmet protected my head enough that I was able to continue my ride. Then again, I had a helmet that fell off the handlebar of my bicycle whilst the bicycle was motionless in my apartment and a good size chunk of the helmet broke off from the lower left side edge of the helmet. That makes me wonder. Then there is this site that I came across just recently. After reading it, it seems that helmets don't meet many expectations. Full URL because many here don't like Tiny URLS. https://www.forbes.com/sites/tanyamo.../#4f36b4ee44e6 Cheers |
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On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 4:44:34 AM UTC-4, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
I often wonder just how effective a bicycle helmet is. I have had a nasty fall where the helmet protected my head enough that I was able to continue my ride. Then again, I had a helmet that fell off the handlebar of my bicycle whilst the bicycle was motionless in my apartment and a good size chunk of the helmet broke off from the lower left side edge of the helmet. That makes me wonder. Then there is this site that I came across just recently. After reading it, it seems that helmets don't meet many expectations. Full URL because many here don't like Tiny URLS. https://www.forbes.com/sites/tanyamo.../#4f36b4ee44e6 There have always been helmets that are more protective and helmets that are less protective. In the U.S., the magazine _Consumer Reports_ has tested a selection of helmets every few years and given them CR's cryptic ratings for impact protection. (CR uses five different colored dots or other icons, rather than assigning a certain number of stars.) It's been very consistent that the cheapest helmets get the best rating. But those cheap helmets are thicker and heavier. Helmet companies slap lots of foam into cheap ones so they pass government standards without lots of design time. They spend lots of design time on expensive helmets to shave weight, allow more holes for cooling etc. while still (barely) passing the government standard test. But look at the motivation for their push to improve bike helmets - that is, aside from their desire to get people to spend money in hopes that the insurance companies won't have to: "More than 800 cyclists were killed in crashes with motor vehicles in 2016 – the highest number since 1991. More than half weren’t wearing helmets." What's the parallel statement for pedestrians? "More than 3500 pedestrians were killed. 99.9% weren't wearing helmets." Or for motorists: "More than 30,000 were killed. 99.9% weren't wearing helmets." Again, the unspoken implication is that riding a bike is SO DANGEROUS that nobody should ever do it without first spending money so that your insurance company might be spared paying for your medical treatment. Except that every study done on the topic has found that bicycling's benefits far outweigh its tiny risks. This "bicycling is dangerous" meme needs to die. - Frank Krygowski |
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