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Why don't Bianchi and Telekom ride for their stars?
Jan needs every second he can get - so wouldn't it be sensible for his
team to try to let flat stages end in mass sprints? Erik needs every point he can get for the green jersey, even if he says he doesn't care about it - so wouldn't it be sensible for his team to try to let flat stages end in mass sprints? Both teams have nothing to lose anymore. Bianchi anyway, Telekom's Vinokurov should be save as third, too. So can anyone here explain why these teams do nothing? Ciao, SM -- The Sunday Times about 'The Two Towers': 'The darkness of this film comes not just from the hideous collection of creatures - orcs, Uruk-hai, wargs and Liv Tyler...' |
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Why don't Bianchi and Telekom ride for their stars?
True you can make up points and seconds in mass sprints, but you can also
lose them. And if your team does all the work, then you weaken yourself when it comes time to sprint against your opponents. There's a good chance you could end up hurting rather than helping your cause. "Sven Mischkies" a écrit dans le message news: ... Jan needs every second he can get - so wouldn't it be sensible for his team to try to let flat stages end in mass sprints? Erik needs every point he can get for the green jersey, even if he says he doesn't care about it - so wouldn't it be sensible for his team to try to let flat stages end in mass sprints? Both teams have nothing to lose anymore. Bianchi anyway, Telekom's Vinokurov should be save as third, too. So can anyone here explain why these teams do nothing? Ciao, SM -- The Sunday Times about 'The Two Towers': 'The darkness of this film comes not just from the hideous collection of creatures - orcs, Uruk-hai, wargs and Liv Tyler...' |
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Why don't Bianchi and Telekom ride for their stars?
Of course they have something to lose- points and seconds. They obviously
feel they'd rather put their money on the TT and last stage, rather then weaken their teams by controlling the break and have less energy to lead out their stars in the bunch sprint. Remember, it would be Zabel against a fresh McGee and Cook, or McEwen and his leadout. Or Ullrich against Hincapie/Eki/Armstrong. "Sven Mischkies" a écrit dans le message news: . .. trg wrote: True you can make up points and seconds in mass sprints, but you can also lose them. And if your team does all the work, then you weaken yourself when it comes time to sprint against your opponents. There's a good chance you could end up hurting rather than helping your cause. Jan has nothing to lose and Erik, too. And both do not need help of their team in sprints - they need the help only to get there. Ciao, SM -- The Sunday Times about 'The Two Towers': 'The darkness of this film comes not just from the hideous collection of creatures - orcs, Uruk-hai, wargs and Liv Tyler...' |
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Why don't Bianchi and Telekom ride for their stars?
You also have to consider that what is important is the relative differences
between the riders, not their absolute totals. So if Zabel comes across the line 10th and Cooke 11th, it might be the same gain as if Zabel were 3nd and Cooke 4th (depending on the actual bonifications given for the various times). So again, why tire out your team when you can get the same result without losing energy compared to your opponents? "Sven Mischkies" a écrit dans le message news: . .. trg wrote: True you can make up points and seconds in mass sprints, but you can also lose them. And if your team does all the work, then you weaken yourself when it comes time to sprint against your opponents. There's a good chance you could end up hurting rather than helping your cause. Jan has nothing to lose and Erik, too. And both do not need help of their team in sprints - they need the help only to get there. Ciao, SM -- The Sunday Times about 'The Two Towers': 'The darkness of this film comes not just from the hideous collection of creatures - orcs, Uruk-hai, wargs and Liv Tyler...' |
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Why don't Bianchi and Telekom ride for their stars?
because they dont have any.....
they do have a couple of guys that are also rans though....maybe if they win a stage they could get more publicity..... |
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Why don't Bianchi and Telekom ride for their stars?
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:47:43 -0600, "JTN"
wrote: because they dont have any..... they do have a couple of guys that are also rans though....maybe if they win a stage they could get more publicity..... How could Bianchi get more publicity? I mean, they have won more publicity than they could've dreamed for. Before the TdF, nobody knew wether Ullrich would be competitive. Now, the sponsors are lining up, bringing the team and Ullrich in a very good position to start building a new team. Gerrit |
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Why don't Bianchi and Telekom ride for their stars?
Gerrit Stolte wrote:
After getting two seconds closer to Lance in the first intermediate sprint, Lance wouldn't have allowed him to take more in the 2nd one. Do you think they _allowed_ him those two seconds? Why should they do that? If they were not able to stop them this time maybe he could have slipped away on other occasions, too? As for sprinting for stage victories? The top sprinters would make minced meat of Ullrich, who would only risk a crash without a chance of gaining a single second. I know that it is very unlikely and somewhat risky. But I do not think that it is unlikelier than winning the ITT by more than 1:04. Erik needs every point he can get for the green jersey, even if he says he doesn't care about it - so wouldn't it be sensible for his team to try to let flat stages end in mass sprints? Errr. Wether or not they end in mass sprints, Zabel obviously hasn't the final speed to beat his opponents for the jersey. Well, he beat Cooke yesterday and today. If he sprinted in all sprints he could be in green already. Ciao, SM -- The Sunday Times about 'The Two Towers': 'The darkness of this film comes not just from the hideous collection of creatures - orcs, Uruk-hai, wargs and Liv Tyler...' |
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Why don't Bianchi and Telekom ride for their stars?
Gerrit Stolte wrote:
Why should they do that? If they were not able to stop them this time maybe he could have slipped away on other occasions, too? Are you only following the TdF when Ullrich is successful? What you are talking about is pure speculation. Ullrich couldn't win more, because he wasn't following the group. Had he done so, there would have been no breakaway, as USPS would have closed the gap *very* fast. Not slipping away on a break - that's impossible, of course, except maybe VERY close to the end of a stage (of course USPS would have to be caught sleeping, but hey - nothing is impossible ), but slipping away to gain a few sprint points and seconds. Ciao, SM -- The Sunday Times about 'The Two Towers': 'The darkness of this film comes not just from the hideous collection of creatures - orcs, Uruk-hai, wargs and Liv Tyler...' |
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