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Old June 9th 09, 07:13 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Robert Chung[_2_]
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Default Team director Serge Parsani was surprised at the news.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...n09/jun09news3

"I'm shocked ... shocked! ... to find that gambling is going on in here."


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Old June 9th 09, 08:49 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Default Team director Serge Parsani was surprised at the news.

On Jun 9, 2:13*pm, "Robert Chung"
wrote:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...n09/jun09news3

"I'm shocked ... shocked! ... to find that gambling is going on in here."


Shocking indeed. Must be pure coincidence tha the following item
appeared yesterday:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...un09/jun08news
"Following the positive doping test of its Austrian rider Christian
Pfannberger in early May prior to the start of the Giro d'Italia, the
Russian team Katusha said it would implement stronger anti-doping
regulations in its contractual relationship with its employees, the
racers. The policies take the form of an additional chapter to the
cyclists' work contracts including a clause which states that riders
will have to pay a fine of five times their annual salary in the event
of a sanction given for doping offenses."


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Old June 9th 09, 09:03 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Default Team director Serge Parsani was surprised at the news.

On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:49:07 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Jun 9, 2:13Â*pm, "Robert Chung"
wrote:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...n09/jun09news3

"I'm shocked ... shocked! ... to find that gambling is going on in here."


Shocking indeed. Must be pure coincidence tha the following item
appeared yesterday:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...un09/jun08news
"Following the positive doping test of its Austrian rider Christian
Pfannberger in early May prior to the start of the Giro d'Italia, the
Russian team Katusha said it would implement stronger anti-doping
regulations in its contractual relationship with its employees, the
racers. The policies take the form of an additional chapter to the
cyclists' work contracts including a clause which states that riders
will have to pay a fine of five times their annual salary in the event
of a sanction given for doping offenses."


Oddly enough Colom wasn't too eager to sign that "He also stated that
contrary to what had been reported, a number of other riders of his
team had not yet signed the new contract clause. "Andrei Tchmil claims
that except for [Gert] Steegmans, McEwen and [Kenny] De Haes everyone
else has signed which is actually not true," he said. "A number of
other riders have not signed the annex including Toni Colom and Joan
Horrach." " from
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...news2&from=rss

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Old June 9th 09, 09:49 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Robert Chung[_2_]
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Default Team director Serge Parsani was surprised at the news.

wrote:
On Jun 9, 2:13 pm, "Robert Chung"
wrote:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...n09/jun09news3

"I'm shocked ... shocked! ... to find that gambling is going on in
here."


Shocking indeed. Must be pure coincidence tha the following item
appeared yesterday:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...un09/jun08news
"Following the positive doping test of its Austrian rider Christian
Pfannberger in early May prior to the start of the Giro d'Italia, the
Russian team Katusha said it would implement stronger anti-doping
regulations in its contractual relationship with its employees, the
racers. The policies take the form of an additional chapter to the
cyclists' work contracts including a clause which states that riders
will have to pay a fine of five times their annual salary in the event
of a sanction given for doping offenses."


If the UCI was really serious about it, they'd make the directeur sportif
sign a clause saying he'd also pay a fine of five times his annual salary if
any of his riders tested positive.

The UCI isn't really serious.


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Old June 9th 09, 10:16 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Default Team director Serge Parsani was surprised at the news.

"Robert Chung" wrote in message
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If the UCI was really serious about it, they'd make the directeur sportif
sign a clause saying he'd also pay a fine of five times his annual salary
if any of his riders tested positive.

The UCI isn't really serious.


So you believe that a DS could tell if one of his riders was using illegal
drugs?

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Old June 9th 09, 10:22 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Default Team director Serge Parsani was surprised at the news.

On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:49:27 -0700, "Robert Chung"
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If the UCI was really serious about it, they'd make the directeur sportif
sign a clause saying he'd also pay a fine of five times his annual salary if
any of his riders tested positive.


Yeah, OK, fine. And let's have the head of the controls sign a
contract to do the same if their tests don't hold up or are
inconsistent.

If everyone believed completely in the control process, maybe you can
seriously suspect a rider for not signing that clause. Considering the
way that they are now looking for secondary and tertiary paths to
imposing sanctions, I would need a better trigger than a sanction
being imposed before I signed that addendum.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Old June 10th 09, 01:47 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Default Team director Serge Parsani was surprised at the news.

On Jun 9, 3:16*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Robert Chung" wrote in message

...



If the UCI was really serious about it, they'd make the directeur sportif
sign a clause saying he'd also pay a fine of five times his annual salary
if any of his riders tested positive.


The UCI isn't really serious.


So you believe that a DS could tell if one of his riders was using illegal
drugs?


He should!! It's part of what he gets paid for. He is around these
guys riding, training and racing for most of the year. Unfotunately
the DS is either involved or ignores it but he is aware of it.
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Old June 10th 09, 05:40 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Amit Ghosh
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Default Team director Serge Parsani was surprised at the news.

On Jun 9, 5:22*pm, wrote:


If everyone believed completely in the control process, maybe you can
seriously suspect a rider for not signing that clause. Considering the
way that they are now looking for secondary and tertiary paths to
imposing sanctions, I would need a better trigger than a sanction
being imposed before I signed that addendum.


dumbass,

the problem with that concept (riders paying a massive fine for an
offense) is the unintended consequence.

assuming a rider would pay such a massive fine - it becomes profitable
for the team to have riders test positive.

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Old June 10th 09, 11:09 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Default Team director Serge Parsani was surprised at the news.

"P. Chisholm" wrote in message
...
On Jun 9, 3:16 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Robert Chung" wrote in message

...

If the UCI was really serious about it, they'd make the directeur
sportif
sign a clause saying he'd also pay a fine of five times his annual
salary
if any of his riders tested positive.


The UCI isn't really serious.


So you believe that a DS could tell if one of his riders was using
illegal
drugs?


He should!! It's part of what he gets paid for. He is around these
guys riding, training and racing for most of the year. Unfotunately
the DS is either involved or ignores it but he is aware of it.


That's pretty surprising coming from you Peter. If the most sophisticated
chemistry in the world makes mistakes during extremely expensive analysis
how could you possibly think that a man (most only moderately educated by
the way) whose career depends on athletic performance could tell the
difference between an improving athlete and a doping one?

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Old June 11th 09, 03:10 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Robert Chung[_2_]
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Default Team director Serge Parsani was surprised at the news.

P. Chisholm wrote:
On Jun 9, 3:16 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Robert Chung" wrote in message

If the UCI was really serious about it, they'd make the directeur
sportif sign a clause saying he'd also pay a fine of five times his
annual salary if any of his riders tested positive.


The UCI isn't really serious.


So you believe that a DS could tell if one of his riders was using
illegal drugs?


He should!! It's part of what he gets paid for. He is around these
guys riding, training and racing for most of the year. Unfotunately
the DS is either involved or ignores it but he is aware of it.


Right. As I've said before, the problem with the existing system is that
DS's tell their riders that future contracts depend on their current
performance wink wink--and then when the riders turn up positive, they're
shocked, shocked!, that there was doping going on. Then they fire the rider
and replace him with a new rider whose future contract depends on his
current performance wink wink.

One component of a better system would be to give the DS's an incentive to
have clean riders. I don't necessarily think monetary fines are the only way
to go--as I've also said, sporting violations should incur sporting
penalties (as in other sports). Time penalties on every member of the team
plus (moderate) fines on the DS might work.


 




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