Road deaths down, cyclists deaths up.

Total road deaths in 2010 are below 2000 for the first time since records
began. 16 per cent down on 2009

cyclists are the group that has managed to increase its death toll to 111.
More HGV occupants have also been killed, up to 62 from 50.

Must be all those new untrained cyclists hitting the pavement (literally)
and perhaps all those foreign lorry drivers that are all over the place
nowadays.

Perhaps the two are related?

http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/2011...w-2-000/39995/

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Total road deaths in 2010 are below 2000 for the first time since records
began. 16 per cent down on 2009

cyclists are the group that has managed to increase its death toll to
111.
More HGV occupants have also been killed, up to 62 from 50.

Must be all those new untrained cyclists hitting the pavement (literally)
and perhaps all those foreign lorry drivers that are all over the place
nowadays.

Perhaps the two are related?

http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/2011...w-2-000/39995/

Clearly the safety measures for motorists are working. Meanwhile the safety
of cyclists are ignored, as usual. It says...

"The rise in cyclist casualties is clearly disappointing. As the number of
people cycling increases, we must find ways to make the roads safer for
them, through a combination of road designs that make cycling safer and
better education and training for both motorists and cyclists."

Most of the problem is the inequity between cyclists and motorists. The
latter can kill the former but the former cannot kill the latter in a
collision. Nowhere is this allowed for in law.

Where is any education and training for motorists in this respect? We
constantly hear about ways cyclists must protect themselves from killer
motorists but what must motorists do to avoid killing cyclists? Suggestions
like lowering speed limits are treated with derision and contempt by
motorists and they hate speed cameras and constantly flout the law on speed
limits. Is it any wonder that so many cyclists are killed under such unfare
circumstances?

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A driving licence is a licence to kill.

On 01/07/2011 06:39, wrote:

Clearly the safety measures for motorists are working. Meanwhile the safety
of cyclists are ignored, as usual. It says...

"The rise in cyclist casualties is clearly disappointing. As the number of
people cycling increases, we must find ways to make the roads safer for
them, through a combination of road designs that make cycling safer and
better education and training for both motorists and cyclists."

Drivers are already educated and trained. Its called a driving test.
Cyclists are an untrained rabble.


Most of the problem is the inequity between cyclists and motorists. The
latter can kill the former but the former cannot kill the latter in a
collision. Nowhere is this allowed for in law.

Quite rightly. Its a completely irrelevant argument. Cyclists choose to
use an idiotic, non viable, unsuitable vehicle.

Where is any education and training for motorists in this respect?

Its called a driving test & includes a written & practical exam. Where
is the education & training for cyclists?

We
constantly hear about ways cyclists must protect themselves from killer
motorists but what must motorists do to avoid killing cyclists?

Ban the scum from the roads - or have them regulated. Why should the
majority have to cope with the inadequacy of a tiny minority

Suggestions
like lowering speed limits are treated with derision and contempt by
motorists and they hate speed cameras and constantly flout the law on speed
limits.

For which they are regularly apprehended, being traced by their number
plates. Cyclists however break the law regularly & get away with it
because they are an unregulated rabble.

Is it any wonder that so many cyclists are killed under such unfare
circumstances?

Its a credit to the training of drivers that the number is so small.

Now look at that - you have a new ID - and the first reply is from me.
I've put forward a reasoned & polite reply - and not insulted you at all
- you ****wit.


--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On 01/07/2011 06:39, wrote:

Clearly the safety measures for motorists are working. Meanwhile the safety
of cyclists are ignored, as usual. It says...

"The rise in cyclist casualties is clearly disappointing. As the number of
people cycling increases, we must find ways to make the roads safer for
them, through a combination of road designs that make cycling safer and
better education and training for both motorists and cyclists."

Most of the problem is the inequity between cyclists and motorists. The
latter can kill the former but the former cannot kill the latter in a
collision. Nowhere is this allowed for in law.

Where is any education and training for motorists in this respect? We
constantly hear about ways cyclists must protect themselves from killer
motorists but what must motorists do to avoid killing cyclists? Suggestions
like lowering speed limits are treated with derision and contempt by
motorists and they hate speed cameras and constantly flout the law on speed
limits. Is it any wonder that so many cyclists are killed under such unfare
circumstances?

Well, while you have so many hipsters riding like they're in a Lucas
Brunelle video you are bound to get a few squashed or attacked

On 1-Jul-2011, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:

Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 08:44:22 +0100
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On 01/07/2011 06:39, wrote:

Clearly the safety measures for motorists are working. Meanwhile the
safety
of cyclists are ignored, as usual. It says...

"The rise in cyclist casualties is clearly disappointing. As the number
of
people cycling increases, we must find ways to make the roads safer for
them, through a combination of road designs that make cycling safer and
better education and training for both motorists and cyclists."

Drivers are already educated and trained.

Clearly inadequately because they are killing too many cyclists already.

Its called a driving test.
Cyclists are an untrained rabble.

Is that a sufficient reason to kill them?


Most of the problem is the inequity between cyclists and motorists. The
latter can kill the former but the former cannot kill the latter in a
collision. Nowhere is this allowed for in law.

Quite rightly. Its a completely irrelevant argument. Cyclists choose to
use an idiotic, non viable, unsuitable vehicle.

Which they have every right to do but again is that a sufficient reason to
kill them?


Where is any education and training for motorists in this respect?

Its called a driving test & includes a written & practical exam.

And is clearly inadequate.

Where
is the education & training for cyclists?

How can such education and training protect against a speeding car which is
out of control?

We
constantly hear about ways cyclists must protect themselves from killer
motorists but what must motorists do to avoid killing cyclists?

Ban the scum from the roads - or have them regulated. Why should the
majority have to cope with the inadequacy of a tiny minority

On humanitarian and human rights grounds. The law needs to be changed to
protect both cyclists and pedestrians against killer drivers. Because they
are so lethal motorists should always give way to vulnerable cyclists under
all circumstances and cyclists need to be free from blame when they are
involved in a collision with a driver.

Suggestions
like lowering speed limits are treated with derision and contempt by
motorists and they hate speed cameras and constantly flout the law on
speed
limits.

For which they are regularly apprehended, being traced by their number
plates. Cyclists however break the law regularly & get away with it
because they are an unregulated rabble.

Speeding motorists are not always caught and when they are they are merely
given a slap on the wrist despite the serious threat they pose to cyclists..

Is it any wonder that so many cyclists are killed under such unfair
circumstances?

Its a credit to the training of drivers that the number is so small.

You call it small? What about all the injuries as well? Also this is about
cyclist deaths being on the increase while motorists grow ever safer in
their cars.

Now look at that - you have a new ID - and the first reply is from me.
I've put forward a reasoned & polite reply - and not insulted you at all
- you ****wit.

Its hardly reasoned and you couldn't refrain from an insult. You just can't
help yourself can you.

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University


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"She who succeeds in gaining the master of the bicycle will gain the mastery
of life."
Frances E. Willard