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Old June 10th 13, 12:42 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
John B.[_3_]
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Default Is Mike Vandeman finally dead?

On Sun, 9 Jun 2013 15:40:14 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
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"John B." wrote in message ...

On Sat, 8 Jun 2013 19:02:37 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
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Hiking trails have from time immemorial been reserved for hikers and equestrians. It is still that way in Wilderness Areas and in most National Parks. Mountain biking on hiking trails is an incompatible use. Mountain bikers need their own trails entirely separated from hiking trails. Hiking trails do indeed belong to hikers!


You are amazingly uninformed. Since "time immemorial" trails were

simply pathways used by animals. Your claims simply illustrate just
how little you really know about the subject.

How far back do you want to go, you confounded dolt! All of my life trails have been reserved for such as myself. It is only very recently that g.d. bikes have been permitted on trails.


Apparently a lot further than you do.

I see. Your opposition to bicycles is based on the supposition that
you are somehow important enough the warrant the closing of public
owned property to only you and your like?

You are just another bigot confuses his desires with reality.


And this is defined where? In what document?


Wilderness Areas specifically exclude any mode of travel other than by
foot and horseback. It is why I want more and more areas to be given
Wilderness status. The National Parks are not as solid on this issue
as they should be. That is because many bureaucrats are gutless
cowards and do not always stand up for what is right.


I see. because the bureaucrats do not act as you wish them too THEY
are at fault. Or in other words you consider yourself as some sort of
later day messiah placed on earth to save the trails.

You are not only a bigot but a fool.


I ask you again, in what document is this defined?


Do your own research. I have got better things to do than supply you with documents.


It is obvious that you cannot justify your statements with anything
remotely resembling fact.

But more important your statement simply illustrates your ignorance of

the matter. Or perhaps you are too young to remember the sierra club
activities in trying to ban horses from wilderness areas?

That would have been a good thing to have done also. Bravo the Sierra Club!


That would "have been"? It happened, and you, the Savour of the Trails
are too ignorant to know the history of your "Keep the trails for us"
movement.

When I was young like you I knew next to nothing about anything. Now that I am old, I know everything about everything. That is what 80 years of life does to one.


So tell me, when were you born. You allude to eighty years of life but
are surprisingly ignorant of events that occurred during your supposed
lifetime.

Or is this argument simply made up out of whole cloth in an attempt to

prove a point that is simply not true.

It is as true as thinking mountain bikers have some god given right to desecrate trails.

There is no "god given right" for anyone, there are simply man made

laws and regulations.

At long last, a statement that I can agree with! What man has made, man can unmake.

Of course, if the trails are on private property than it is quite a
different proposition and the owners of the property can, of course,
refer to the trails as "their's".

Only pure souls like Mr. Vandeman care enough about nature to want to exclude bikes from all off-road areas. Frankly, I don’t give a good god damn what private owners of property do with their land. Mountain bikers should seek out such owners in which to develop their own trails.


Pure souls? Convicted criminals seems to be a far more accurate

description.

Mr. Vandeman is as innocent of all transgressions as the driven snow. Further, he is a gentleman, something that mountain bikers never are.


Of course, that is why the courts ruled as they did.

But certainly you and your ilk need to argue that the courts were
wrong as to do otherwise would mean that your thesis is wrong and that
you are two more stray dogs barking at the moon.



So, you feel competent to speak for all of those who use public

facilities. the arrogance is frightening. I'm reminded of the folks
who attempted to solve the Jewish problem.

I am as competent as anyone else, most particularly you.


I see, and your qualifications? Other than you self proclaimed

beatification I have not been appraised of any specific qualifications
that you might have.

You apparently are not aware of just how GREAT I am? I urge you to study my signature. I am not only GREAT, but HOLY besides.


I have already alluded to your self proclaimed beatification. I
remember by grandson shouting loudly, "Look at me, Look at me, while
handing by his knees from a tree limb and his sister saying, "You are
not wonderful".

More seriously, I defer to Mr. Vandeman on any and all issues of qualifications. He is a genius!


And a criminal.

Mountain bikers are not bothered much by hikers when using the trails, but hikers are bothered very much by bikers. That is what you fail to understand. Until you do, I might as well be talking to a brick wall.

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great

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Cheers,

John B.
 




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