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connex 10 speed chain
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 21:49:12 -0700, jim beam wrote:
wrote: someone writes: I have noticed that the connex links have to be installed in the correct orientation or they do cause some skipping. Predominantly on the smaller cogs, 11t-13t's.. Larger ones didn't seem to affect it. I mistakenly did one wrong on my own bike and it was painfully obvious in the stand that it just didn't fly, so I flipped it, and life was good. There is another problem with them, but it is mostly on the Shimano ones.. They seem to have a propensity to break.. a run of chains with weakened/weak side plates got made, and the link pins pull through. Not cool. Warranty them out though. This is a far more serious matter than cost. It's safety. When a chain beaks in a standing sprint the rider generally flies over the bars. This is why you shouldn't sprint in top gear on SA-AW three-speed hubs. They reliably pop into neutral under load and speed due to a basic design problem for which they should be taken to court for damages. wow, and to think that all those years i had one growing up, and all those times i'd sprint to the end of the road against my friends, i never ever had it pop out of gear. not even once. was mine the defective one if this was otherwise a "reliable" occurance? Nahh, just means you pedal like a girl. Ron |
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The Connex link MUST be installed the right way around. Looking at the drive side of the bike (from the right), when the snap link is on the top horizontal length of chain, the cutout should look heart shaped..i.e, the cut out starts at the top, lowers towards the centre, and then rises again to the top. YOU MUST FIT IT THE RIGHT WAY AROUND Could you explain what effect the orientation of the master link has? If the link can be installed in the wrong orientation, it will be incorrect as often as not. Can you cite an admonition to that effect in the Wipperman installation instructions? http://tinyurl.com/crb2e I have a hard time with absolute statements to which I can find no logical supporting evidence. They sound like religious dogma. Jobst Brandt The shop where I bought my bike (in the UK) is owned by an ex sales-rep for a major bike manufacturer. He told me that this manufacturer supplied bikes with Connexe chains and it wasn't until numerous bikes were returned with chain 'problems' that they were informed by the manufacturer of the correct orientation for fitting. OK, this might be boll*cks. BUT, the Wipperman instruction leaflet clearly shows how to fit the link, and if it wasn't important they would just show a length of chain rather than the complete 'loop'. I just follow manufacturers instructions. On my 4th chain, I ride 8'000 miles per year...never had a problem. Cheers, -- Mark ______________________________________ Nerves of Steel, Heart of Gold, Knob of Butter |
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YOU MUST FIT IT THE RIGHT WAY AROUND
Can you cite an admonition to that effect in the Wipperman installation instructions? http://tinyurl.com/crb2e Not from that 'store' site no. But if you care to look at the manufacturers site at: http://www.connexchain.com/ Click on 'tests' and then item '02'..you will see it in, well not black and white, but 2-tone grey (sorry gray). I have a hard time with absolute statements to which I can find no logical supporting evidence. They sound like religious dogma. Still having a hard time? -- Mark ______________________________________ Nerves of Steel, Heart of Gold, Knob of Butter |
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"Heresay" (was: connex 10...)
Bill Sornson wrote:
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: Those instructions seemed to correspond in some way to my experience, but my experience didn't prove anything. Oops, I shouldn't have said "seemed" -- please strike that from the recond. Since I don't have an engineering degree and have not run double-blind tests, I'll try to refrain from putting in any heresay in this group (though Brandt did ask if the manafacturer gave any info on this, so I guess heresay is acceptable in those circumstances.) But I will refrain. Heresay is not aceptable obviously. Thank you for keeping us so clear. Please accept my sincere apologies. Wow. I was trying to figure out what all this meant, wondering if "heresay" was about "an opinion or a doctrine at variance with established religious beliefs" or merely "an out of court statement offered to prove the truth of the matter asserted," and then I began to wonder if it was an intentional conflation of the two. Then my head started to hurt. So... nevermind. |
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Rico X. Partay wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote: {NOTHING THAT'S QUOTED HERE} John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: Those instructions seemed to correspond in some way to my experience, but my experience didn't prove anything. Oops, I shouldn't have said "seemed" -- please strike that from the recond. Since I don't have an engineering degree and have not run double-blind tests, I'll try to refrain from putting in any heresay in this group (though Brandt did ask if the manafacturer gave any info on this, so I guess heresay is acceptable in those circumstances.) But I will refrain. Heresay is not aceptable obviously. Thank you for keeping us so clear. Please accept my sincere apologies. Wow. I was trying to figure out what all this meant, wondering if "heresay" was about "an opinion or a doctrine at variance with established religious beliefs" or merely "an out of court statement offered to prove the truth of the matter asserted," and then I began to wonder if it was an intentional conflation of the two. Then my head started to hurt. So... nevermind. Why you posted this as a reply to me and not JFT is a mystery, as is you questioning the use of a word YOU added to the thread. Otherwise, nice post 8-) |
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connex 10 speed chain
On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:05:25 +0100, "MSA"
wrote: YOU MUST FIT IT THE RIGHT WAY AROUND Can you cite an admonition to that effect in the Wipperman installation instructions? http://tinyurl.com/crb2e Not from that 'store' site no. But if you care to look at the manufacturers site at: http://www.connexchain.com/ Click on 'tests' and then item '02'..you will see it in, well not black and white, but 2-tone grey (sorry gray). I have a hard time with absolute statements to which I can find no logical supporting evidence. They sound like religious dogma. Still having a hard time? Dear MSA, What a wretchedly clumsy site! You can't link directly to anything, or even copy the text! Here's the relevant passage: "Fixing the chain via the ConneX Link is straight forward and simple. However, do take note of the orientation of the link. The plates are asymmetrical and the user has to ensure that the more rounded side should brush against the cogset (Refer to the diagram, you can see the top side is more rounded than the bottom one). If the wrong side is used, it will cause shifting problems and the chain to skip." Carl Fogel |
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"Heresay" (was: connex 10...)
Bill Sornson wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote: {NOTHING THAT'S QUOTED HERE} THE CAPS LOCK KEY IS OVER ON THE LEFT. Why you posted this as a reply to me and not JFT is a mystery, as is you questioning the use of a word YOU added to the thread. In what language is this "sentence"? (FYI, it's called a "follow-up"; a "reply" is a different thing altogether.) Otherwise, nice post 8-) That's hair-a-see! ObRBTContent: Now that the gd bar exam is done, I've actually started riding some again. (But Jesus, it's a hundred out every day in 95818. Who knew?) So after peeling off some cobwebs and doing some inspection, I see most of the tires on the three bikes need replacing. With the bike and me over 200lbs. (91kg) in each instance (disgusting, but waddayagonnado?), I'm thinking I should be honest and get rubbers that are durable, rather than do the wannabe thing and buy way-too-thin, over-priced "racing tires" in an attempt to live out a fantasy. Nashbar has a pretty broad selection. Gimme a recommendation for the next few months where I make the transition from the 90 min./day ride up to 300 mi/week (all good road). Thanks, Rico. |
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Mark South Africa writes:
YOU MUST FIT IT THE RIGHT WAY AROUND Can you cite an admonition to that effect in the Wipperman installation instructions? http://tinyurl.com/crb2e Not from that 'store' site no. But if you care to look at the manufacturers site at: http://www.connexchain.com/ Click on 'tests' and then item '02'..you will see it in, well not black and white, but 2-tone grey (sorry gray). I have a hard time with absolute statements to which I can find no logical supporting evidence. They sound like religious dogma. Still having a hard time? Even more. I see no explanation of the link's orientation under that URL. Jobst Brandt |
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