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A number I'd like to know...
I'm thinking there is a number that might be useful to cycling
advocates, but I don't have the data to calculate it or even to make a reasonable estimate...but maybe someone on the list does. Suppose that bicycles were totally banned, and that every mile of bicycle travel was then replaced by an automobile trip. How many additional gallons of gasoline per day or per year would then be consumed? Anybody have a reasonable estimate? Sheldon "Numbers" Brown +----------------------------------------+ | Cyclists fare best when they act and | | are treated as drivers of vehicles. | | -- John Forester | | http://www.johnforester.com/ | +----------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 http://harriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com |
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"Sheldon Brown" wrote in message
... I'm thinking there is a number that might be useful to cycling advocates, but I don't have the data to calculate it or even to make a reasonable estimate...but maybe someone on the list does. Suppose that bicycles were totally banned, and that every mile of bicycle travel was then replaced by an automobile trip. How many additional gallons of gasoline per day or per year would then be consumed? Anybody have a reasonable estimate? Sheldon "Numbers" Brown I would think you would need to remove "training" and "racing" miles. I don't think most people will replace training on a bike with training in a car. Maybe the number of commuter miles on a bicycle is more appropriate? -- Pete Rissler http://web1.greatbasin.net/~rissler/ http://www.tccycling.com |
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"Pete Rissler" wrote in message ... "Sheldon Brown" wrote in message ... I'm thinking there is a number that might be useful to cycling advocates, but I don't have the data to calculate it or even to make a reasonable estimate...but maybe someone on the list does. Suppose that bicycles were totally banned, and that every mile of bicycle travel was then replaced by an automobile trip. How many additional gallons of gasoline per day or per year would then be consumed? Anybody have a reasonable estimate? Sheldon "Numbers" Brown I would think you would need to remove "training" and "racing" miles. I don't think most people will replace training on a bike with training in a car. Maybe the number of commuter miles on a bicycle is more appropriate? -- Pete Rissler http://web1.greatbasin.net/~rissler/ http://www.tccycling.com Pete, I had the same immediate reaction (I'm sure most folks will). Wouldn't it be great if training in a car would work! If you could count that, then Robin Williams has climbed Alpe de Huez as fast as Lance has! ;-) Bob C. |
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Sheldon Brown wrote:
:: I'm thinking there is a number that might be useful to cycling :: advocates, but I don't have the data to calculate it or even to make :: a reasonable estimate...but maybe someone on the list does. :: :: Suppose that bicycles were totally banned, and that every mile of :: bicycle travel was then replaced by an automobile trip. :: :: How many additional gallons of gasoline per day or per year would :: then be consumed? :: :: Anybody have a reasonable estimate? In my case, zero. I don't ride my bike as a replacement for driving my car. Bike riding, for me, is for fun and fitness. So, likely, to get reasonable numbers, you'd have to look at those who commute by bike, not recreational folks are racers. |
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"Pete Rissler" wrote in message
... "Sheldon Brown" wrote in message ... I'm thinking there is a number that might be useful to cycling advocates, but I don't have the data to calculate it or even to make a reasonable estimate...but maybe someone on the list does. Suppose that bicycles were totally banned, and that every mile of bicycle travel was then replaced by an automobile trip. How many additional gallons of gasoline per day or per year would then be consumed? Anybody have a reasonable estimate? I would think you would need to remove "training" and "racing" miles. I don't think most people will replace training on a bike with training in a car. Maybe the number of commuter miles on a bicycle is more appropriate? Or general utility miles -- not just commuting, but running errands, shopping, etc. My first thought is that bicycle miles might not be replaced with automobile miles. Before I took up bicycle commuting, I rode the bus to work. When I don't ride, I still take the bus to work. It's just not a pleasant trip in a car, and it costs $25 a day to park in my building. Similarly, if I weren't riding to places like the post office or the drug store, I'd probably be walking there -- so again, these are not replaced with automobile miles. Another thought -- if I weren't riding my bike, then I might be driving to the health club in the evenings. So maybe there'd be additional automobile miles to get the same exercise? This would be true even for the training, recreational, and event miles. Or would we all take up running instead? Warm Regards, Claire Petersky please substitute yahoo for mousepotato to reply Home of the meditative cyclist: http://home.earthlink.net/~cpetersky/Welcome.htm Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/ See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky |
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In article ,
Sheldon Brown wrote: I'm thinking there is a number that might be useful to cycling advocates, but I don't have the data to calculate it or even to make a reasonable estimate...but maybe someone on the list does. Suppose that bicycles were totally banned, and that every mile of bicycle travel was then replaced by an automobile trip. How many additional gallons of gasoline per day or per year would then be consumed? .... an interesting question. I have, here on the shelf above me, several USDOT, Census and DOE publications relating to transportation issues, very up to date stuff. I tried to synthesize the value: #cyclecommutes X ave.cyclecommute.distance X ave.car.milage It turns out to be difficult to get the cycle values. In fact, cycling doesn't even show up, except as "fatalities: other". from memory. ..max -- the part of was played by maxwell monningh 8-p |
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Max wrote: I tried to synthesize the value: #cyclecommutes X ave.cyclecommute.distance X ave.car.milage ahem. #cyclecommutes X ave.cyclecommute.distance / ave.car.milage ..max too little coffee+too little sleep = stupid. -- the part of was played by maxwell monningh 8-p |
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Pete Rissler wrote:
"Sheldon Brown" wrote in message Suppose that bicycles were totally banned, and that every mile of bicycle travel was then replaced by an automobile trip. How many additional gallons of gasoline per day or per year would then be consumed? I would think you would need to remove "training" and "racing" miles. Not necessarily; some of those might be replaced by driving to the gym. I think "mile for mile" is a fair exchange; it also, frex, doesn't take into account the tendency for cagers to choose to live further from work. -- David Damerell flcl? |
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In article ,
Sheldon Brown wrote: I'm thinking there is a number that might be useful to cycling advocates, but I don't have the data to calculate it or even to make a reasonable estimate...but maybe someone on the list does. Suppose that bicycles were totally banned, and that every mile of bicycle travel was then replaced by an automobile trip. How many additional gallons of gasoline per day or per year would then be consumed? Anybody have a reasonable estimate? Sheldon "Numbers" Brown +----------------------------------------+ | Cyclists fare best when they act and | | are treated as drivers of vehicles. | | -- John Forester | | http://www.johnforester.com/ | +----------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 http://harriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com In my case, my gas consumption would go down. I live in a lousy location for biking, and have to drive if I want a decent ride. Overall, my estimate is overall change in gas consumption would be insignificant. |
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Mark Heiple writes:
In article , Sheldon Brown wrote: I'm thinking there is a number that might be useful to cycling advocates, but I don't have the data to calculate it or even to make a reasonable estimate...but maybe someone on the list does. Suppose that bicycles were totally banned, and that every mile of bicycle travel was then replaced by an automobile trip. How many additional gallons of gasoline per day or per year would then be consumed? Anybody have a reasonable estimate? Sheldon "Numbers" Brown +----------------------------------------+ | Cyclists fare best when they act and | | are treated as drivers of vehicles. | | -- John Forester | | http://www.johnforester.com/ | +----------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 http://harriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com In my case, my gas consumption would go down. I live in a lousy location for biking, and have to drive if I want a decent ride. What about it makes it unsuitable for biking? |
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