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On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:27:08 -0700, Michael Press
wrote: In article , " wrote: On Mar 18, 2:48*am, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:44:25 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Mar 17, 8:42*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:04:05 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Mar 17, 4:07*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:59:55 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: Yeah, cordiality is at the extreme end of the nice scale. I was driving in Austin once and kept making all kinds of mistakes since I was lost, the people behind me were being extremely polite and patient to the point of being irritating. I felt that I needed to be curse but nobody would do so. I needed some balance. I didn't want to be in NYC, where I would have been shot and run over. By population, where do you think someone is more likely to be shot -- NYC or Texas? Don't know. If you don't know, why are you suggesting there is some likelihood or increased chance of being shot in NYC? It was metaphorical. My brother, my step son and daughter in law and my grand-kids and my cousin live in Manhattan and Brooklyn. I go there quite often, and I know that I will not get shot. However, if I drive lost in Manhattan, Queens, Brooklyn, etc I will be killed by the insults which is something that would not happen in Austin. So, don't be so sensitive. I am not saying that Austin is better. I was irritated by too much politeness there. *So, take a chill pill eze. No, I won't chill if you like using a metaphor that disses where I live. It's obnoxious stereotyping that should be denounced. Dear John (Fogel, 2009, 2008, 2007....) NYC, is a really cool place, but it ain't perfect, so don't be so nationalistic. Comparatively, it is very fast paced and crowded, and people have little patient for slow pace. So, when slow drivers, slow shoppers, slow movers get in the way, they'll get showered you with the appropriate doze of insults. For some of the the visitors, or the tourist, it can be overwhelming. It never bothered me since I grew up in a very large Latin city with similar big city culture, fast tempers, etc. Now, if you don't chill out, I'll have to call on Carl to "dear" you into calmness. You fill in lacunae in your knowledge and experience with made up stuff. For instance, in New York City there is a plague of mothers with huge child buggies that block up sidewalks, shops, and cafes. Did not know that, did you? Hahaha. I used to live in a neighborhood that became notorious for that recently. |
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On Mar 20, 5:04*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:33:44 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: But I believe that in general, the larger the metro area, the larger such neighborhoods are likely to be, and the worse conditions might be within them. Any evidence of this other than pop culture and stereotyping? Mostly, just my anecdotal experience. Philly and Cleveland and Los Angeles come to mind. I'm sure there are exceptions, which is why I said "in general." I wonder if you have contrary evidence? Particularly in relation to NYC? I haven't spent enough time there. - Frank Krygowski |
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On Mar 20, 5:05*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:33:44 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: I recall riding from NJ to Ohio with my son many years ago. *We pedaled straight through Philly and passed through some neighborhoods where the denizens were calling us "whitey" and yelling at us to get out. Many years ago.... Yep. How are Philadelphia's inner neighborhoods doing these days? Any idea? (I wish I could tell you where I was, but all I know is we were heading west.) PS - I've had cops follow me around in beatiful parts of rural Connecticut. *15 years ago. I've been in discussions here with a guy who claimed his towns cops follow him all the time because the car he drives is too sporty. And I had a student about four years ago who claimed the cops in his tiny town (population 2000) followed him around, too, maybe because he rode a motorcycle. And a college professor who moved to my village felt the cops considered him shady because his pickup truck had an unrepaired dent in the door. Sadly, you can get that anywhere. - Frank Krygowski |
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:12:03 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote: On Mar 20, 5:04*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:33:44 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: But I believe that in general, the larger the metro area, the larger such neighborhoods are likely to be, and the worse conditions might be within them. Any evidence of this other than pop culture and stereotyping? Mostly, just my anecdotal experience. Philly and Cleveland and Los Angeles come to mind. I'm sure there are exceptions, which is why I said "in general." I wonder if you have contrary evidence? Particularly in relation to NYC? I've looked up stats for violent crimes in cities in the US in general, and NYC is one of the biggest cities and had lower violent crime rates per person than many smaller cities. But I don't really know, which is way I don't go around talking about places I don't know about as dangerous, or proposing theories like yours w/o evidence. |
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On Mar 20, 5:32*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:12:03 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Mar 20, 5:04*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:33:44 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: But I believe that in general, the larger the metro area, the larger such neighborhoods are likely to be, and the worse conditions might be within them. Any evidence of this other than pop culture and stereotyping? Mostly, just my anecdotal experience. *Philly and Cleveland and Los Angeles come to mind. *I'm sure there are exceptions, which is why I said "in general." I wonder if you have contrary evidence? Particularly in relation to NYC? I've looked up stats for violent crimes in cities in the US in general, and NYC is one of the biggest cities and had lower violent crime rates per person than many smaller cities. But I don't really know, which is way I don't go around talking about places I don't know about as dangerous, or proposing theories like yours w/o evidence. John, I've learned a lot in my life. Sometimes I don't remember the sources of what I've learned. Sometimes I'm not positive about what I've learned, but I state my impressions anyway, preferencing them with something like "I believe." I think most people do that. Look at http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_16.html Check the "rate" columns for Group I (i.e. largest) cities, on down to Group VI, the smallest cities. Check the crime rates for all the types of crimes. Do you see the same trends I do? - Frank Krygowski |
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On Mar 20, 5:32*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:12:03 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Mar 20, 5:04*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:33:44 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: But I believe that in general, the larger the metro area, the larger such neighborhoods are likely to be, and the worse conditions might be within them. Any evidence of this other than pop culture and stereotyping? Mostly, just my anecdotal experience. *Philly and Cleveland and Los Angeles come to mind. *I'm sure there are exceptions, which is why I said "in general." I wonder if you have contrary evidence? Particularly in relation to NYC? I've looked up stats for violent crimes in cities in the US in general, and NYC is one of the biggest cities and had lower violent crime rates per person than many smaller cities. But I don't really know, which is way I don't go around talking about places I don't know about as dangerous, or proposing theories like yours w/o evidence. John, I've learned a lot in my life. Sometimes I don't remember the sources of what I've learned. Sometimes I'm not positive about what I've learned, but I state my impressions anyway, prefacing them with something like "I believe." I think most people do that. Look at http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_16.html Check the "rate" columns for Group I (i.e. largest) cities, on down to Group VI, the smallest cities. Check the crime rates for all the types of crimes. Do you see the same trends I do? - Frank Krygowski |
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"Frank Krygowski" wrote in message
... Look at http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_16.html Check the "rate" columns for Group I (i.e. largest) cities, on down to Group VI, the smallest cities. Check the crime rates for all the types of crimes. Do you see the same trends I do? There's one interesting bit, which is that the biggest cities seem to have lower crime than the slightly less large ones. At a guess, NYC is in that 'largest' segment, which means it's better than one might think. There's also a certain amount of comparison to be made with the various "Cycling is dangerous" arguments - the point is that cycling is not actually that dangerous, so the things which are being justified by the people using that argument aren't actually useful. Ditto crime. All that said, I prefer our sleepy market town :-) |
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On Mar 20, 8:37*pm, "Clive George" wrote:
"Frank Krygowski" wrote in message ... Look athttp://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_16.html Check the "rate" columns for Group I (i.e. largest) cities, on down to Group VI, the smallest cities. *Check the crime rates for all the types of crimes. *Do you see the same trends I do? There's one interesting bit, which is that the biggest cities seem to have lower crime than the slightly less large ones. At a guess, NYC is in that 'largest' segment, which means it's better than one might think. There's also a certain amount of comparison to be made with the various "Cycling is dangerous" arguments - the point is that cycling is not actually that dangerous, so the things which are being justified by the people using that argument aren't actually useful. Ditto crime. All that said, I prefer our sleepy market town :-) Well, crime rates depend on victim reports. If you live in a city where crime is the norm, then people stop reporting. Not saying that is the case with NY, but I suspect a person in small town USA would be more likely to report a minor property crime -- a car break in, for example -- than someone in a high crime city. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:25:03 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote: On Mar 20, 5:32*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:12:03 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Mar 20, 5:04*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:33:44 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: But I believe that in general, the larger the metro area, the larger such neighborhoods are likely to be, and the worse conditions might be within them. Any evidence of this other than pop culture and stereotyping? Mostly, just my anecdotal experience. *Philly and Cleveland and Los Angeles come to mind. *I'm sure there are exceptions, which is why I said "in general." I wonder if you have contrary evidence? Particularly in relation to NYC? I've looked up stats for violent crimes in cities in the US in general, and NYC is one of the biggest cities and had lower violent crime rates per person than many smaller cities. But I don't really know, which is way I don't go around talking about places I don't know about as dangerous, or proposing theories like yours w/o evidence. John, I've learned a lot in my life. Sometimes I don't remember the sources of what I've learned. Sometimes I'm not positive about what I've learned, but I state my impressions anyway, preferencing them with something like "I believe." I think most people do that. Look at http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_16.html Good evidence. So I guess you can diss specific big cities now too. |
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:46:33 -0700 (PDT), Jay Beattie
wrote: If you live in a city where crime is the norm, then people stop reporting. Not saying that is the case with NY, but I suspect a person in small town USA would be more likely to report a minor property crime -- a car break in, for example -- than someone in a high crime city. This is circular reasoning. If someone lives in a small town where crime is the norm, are they going to report it? Nothing is being done - what's the use. |
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