Cycling and vegetarianism

Bob in CT wrote:
Although I don't stay away from red meat, I don't eat a lot of it,
either. The "low carb = steaks and bacon" is a figment of somebody's
active imagination. I rarely eat steaks or bacon. The best benefit of
low carb is lack of blood sugar swings. However, if you have no blood
sugar control problems, low carb may or may not help you. For me, low
carb has helped me tremendously. On low fat, I would eat my high carb
meal of pasta or brown rice and beans and I'd have to grab onto
something because the blood sugar swings were horrendous. Additionally,
I'd crash after eating a high carb meal and would become depressed.
Finally, I was never full on low fat. I could eat a plate of pasta and
be hungry within an hour. All of those problems are gone with low carb.

I've been wondering about that. Everybody says that LC diets are
filling because there's more fat, but it doesn't work that way for me.
I can eat a *huge* amount of steak and not get full, but give me a cup
of rice or one medium potato and I'm stuffed. It's the starchy foods
that fill me up and stick to my ribs, not the meat and fat. Maybe I'm
just weird, I dunno.

The worst diet I ever tried was many years ago, I tried a raw food
cleansing thing. I was hungry ALL THE TIME. It was awful. I lasted
about two days.

-km

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Jym Dyer wrote:
wow...fetuses aren't meat...how hypocritical.

ummm, fetuses aren't in the vast majority of eggs you
buy at the store, either. they're unfertilized.


=v= Basically, eggs are hens' periods.
Bon appetit,
_Jym_

Ew, that's one way to look at it, I suppose.

Another thing to keep in mind is, hens lay eggs no matter what. If
they've never seen a rooster, they lay eggs. As long as the days are
longer than a certain number of hours (I can't remember how many), they
lay eggs, even if they're blind; the light directly stimulates the
pituitary through a thin part of their skull. You can make them lay
year-round by putting a full-spectrum light in the henhouse 14 hours a
day. It's not good for them, but they'll lay.

-km

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David L. Johnson wrote:
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 01:45:03 -0500, Preston Crawford wrote:


I think this depends partly on body type. I find myself needing protein
more than others.


Definitely the case. My wife tends to craving protein when she gets
hungry. For me, it's carbs. Yeah, yeah, we lick the platter clean...

In my marriage, I go for the carbs and my husband goes after the meat.

-km, with another clean platter

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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 17:11:34 GMT, the black rose
wrote:

Bob in CT wrote:
It's my opinion that low fat is unhealthy. I ate low fat for years,
and all it did for me was give me insulin resistance. I switched to
low carb and increased my HDL (now over 40 for the first time ever,
regardless of how much exercise I did on low fat), decreased my
triglycerides, decreased my fasting blood glucose, and have a better
total cholesterol/HDL ratio. Plus, I feel so much better on low carb
than I did on low fat. My opinion is that low fat is a complete sham
and a lie.

It really depends on how low-fat you go. I tend to call my diet
low-fat, but it's not really by many definitions, and I focus more on
low sodium than low fat -- I get about 20% or so of my calories from
fat, and my skin is healthy and my hair can only be called lustrous. I'm
just really careful about added fats, I guess, and lately I've been
trying to avoid trans-fats in particular. I get 15-20% of my calories
from proteins, and the rest is healthy carbs: vegetables, whole grains,
and fruits. A recent cholesterol screening (only about a month ago)
recorded my HDL at 58; it's never, ever been that high before. The next
words out of her mouth after telling me that, the doc asked me, "You
exercise, don't you?"

I realize that diabetics and people with hyperinsulinemia have
challenges and concerns that someone with normal glucose response isn't
going to have. I fully understand that we're not on the same page,
diet-wise, and I'm glad LC works well for you.

-km


I finally raised my HDL level too, through low carb (I exercised about the
same on low fat and low carb). I think we're in agreement then that the
food pyramid is bullocks -- put vegetables at the bottom of the stupid
thing. I eat a ton of vegetables and do a minor amount of carb loading
with fruits, and I eat nuts and berries daily. Other than that I eat only
a few "whole grains", I'd bet our diets are relatively similar. My fat
content probably isn't that high, as while I eat meat, I try to eat more
vegetables and selected fruits instead of meat, only because meat is high
in calories. However, I don't worry about added fats; I just don't add
them unless there's a reason to add them. I do use butter and olive oil,
though. I do not eat rice, pasta, bread (although I do eat Wasa whole
grain crackers), etc. I eat very little cheese, although I eat some. I
eat yoghurt and basically no other milk product other than cheese. My
typical day would be egg omelette, vegetable/fruit snack, some type of
meat with lunch, vegetable/fruit/salad snack, some type of meat with
dinner, more vegetables, and maybe a yoghurt/berry/nut dessert. Today,
I'm having beef tenderloin (lunch) and salmon (dinner).

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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 17:23:36 GMT, the black rose
wrote:

Bob in CT wrote:
Although I don't stay away from red meat, I don't eat a lot of it,
either. The "low carb = steaks and bacon" is a figment of somebody's
active imagination. I rarely eat steaks or bacon. The best benefit of
low carb is lack of blood sugar swings. However, if you have no blood
sugar control problems, low carb may or may not help you. For me, low
carb has helped me tremendously. On low fat, I would eat my high carb
meal of pasta or brown rice and beans and I'd have to grab onto
something because the blood sugar swings were horrendous.
Additionally, I'd crash after eating a high carb meal and would become
depressed. Finally, I was never full on low fat. I could eat a plate
of pasta and be hungry within an hour. All of those problems are gone
with low carb.

I've been wondering about that. Everybody says that LC diets are
filling because there's more fat, but it doesn't work that way for me. I
can eat a *huge* amount of steak and not get full, but give me a cup of
rice or one medium potato and I'm stuffed. It's the starchy foods that
fill me up and stick to my ribs, not the meat and fat. Maybe I'm just
weird, I dunno.

The worst diet I ever tried was many years ago, I tried a raw food
cleansing thing. I was hungry ALL THE TIME. It was awful. I lasted
about two days.

-km


I personally believe that the low carb diet is more filling because of
blood sugar control. The types of stuff allowed, like vegetables and
select fruits and fats and protein, just don't cause the intense blood
sugar swings created by rice and pasta and bread. For me, I can eat
something very fatty (like nuts) and still be hungry sometimes a little
bit later. It's just that while on low fat I was hungry all the time, all
day long, on low carb I'm hungry when I'm hungry.

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"Bob in CT" wrote in message
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are relatively similar. My fat content probably isn't that high, as
while I eat meat, I try to eat more vegetables and selected fruits
instead of meat, only because meat is high in calories.

Protein and carbs both have 4 calories per gram. Unless your meat is
particularly fatty there's no reason to avoid it.

However, I
don't worry about added fats; I just don't add them unless there's a
reason to add them. I do use butter and olive oil, though.

Your diet sounds very low in Omega-3. And you need your Essential Fatty
Acids to be healthy.

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Bob in CT wrote:
:: On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 17:23:36 GMT, the black rose
:: wrote:
::
::: Bob in CT wrote:
:::: Although I don't stay away from red meat, I don't eat a lot of it,
:::: either. The "low carb = steaks and bacon" is a figment of
:::: somebody's active imagination. I rarely eat steaks or bacon. The
:::: best benefit of low carb is lack of blood sugar swings. However,
:::: if you have no blood sugar control problems, low carb may or may
:::: not help you. For me, low carb has helped me tremendously. On
:::: low fat, I would eat my high carb meal of pasta or brown rice and
:::: beans and I'd have to grab onto something because the blood sugar
:::: swings were horrendous. Additionally, I'd crash after eating a
:::: high carb meal and would become depressed. Finally, I was never
:::: full on low fat. I could eat a plate of pasta and be hungry
:::: within an hour. All of those problems are gone with low carb.
:::
::: I've been wondering about that. Everybody says that LC diets are
::: filling because there's more fat, but it doesn't work that way for
::: me. I can eat a *huge* amount of steak and not get full, but give
::: me a cup of rice or one medium potato and I'm stuffed. It's the
::: starchy foods that fill me up and stick to my ribs, not the meat
::: and fat. Maybe I'm just weird, I dunno.
:::
::: The worst diet I ever tried was many years ago, I tried a raw food
::: cleansing thing. I was hungry ALL THE TIME. It was awful. I
::: lasted about two days.
:::
::: -km
:::
::
:: I personally believe that the low carb diet is more filling because
:: of blood sugar control. The types of stuff allowed, like vegetables
:: and select fruits and fats and protein, just don't cause the intense
:: blood sugar swings created by rice and pasta and bread. For me, I
:: can eat something very fatty (like nuts) and still be hungry
:: sometimes a little bit later. It's just that while on low fat I was
:: hungry all the time, all day long, on low carb I'm hungry when I'm
:: hungry.

This agrees with my experience as well. I've tried eating lots of fat and
lots of protein, but simply removing the carbs works best in blunting my
appetite. Of course, at my present weight, it could very well be that the
other macronutrients begin to play a greater role in appetite suppression.
But I got really really fat by eating way too many carbs (and fat, and food,
period) way too much of the time.

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 03:48:46 +1000, "DRS" wrote:


Your diet sounds very low in Omega-3. And you need your Essential Fatty
Acids to be healthy.

That's why they're called "Essential" ;-)

Jake

Wed, 1 Sep 2004 01:25:55 -0700, ,
"Raoul Duke" wrote:

If that involves avoiding wine, then count me out.

You can have all the grape juice you want.
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On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 03:48:46 +1000, "DRS"
wrote:

Your diet sounds very low in Omega-3. And you need your Essential
Fatty Acids to be healthy.

That's why they're called "Essential" ;-)

Yes, but too many people don't understand that. They think they can -
should - just keep reducing and reducing their dietery fat intake. It's the
Great Lie of the low fat movement and people on low fat diets suffer for it
with bad skin, bad hair, a compromised immune system and so on. As I keep
saying, you can always tell the person on the low fat diet because they look
like ****. The truth is that dietary fats are not the enemy.

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