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  #71  
Old November 7th 17, 01:37 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 11/6/2017 11:22 AM, Duane wrote:
On 06/11/2017 11:03 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/6/2017 9:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/6/2017 9:31 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/6/2017 8:23 AM, wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-churc...ry?id=50958603



from your link:
Â* "As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his
rifle and engaged that suspect, Martin said. "The suspect
dropped his rifle -- which was a Rueger AR assault-type
rifle -- and fled from the church. Our local citizen
pursued the suspect at that time."

The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later
found dead in his vehicle in Guadalupe County, according
to authorities. It's unclear whether he died from a
self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was shot by
another person, officials said.

Interrupted by an armed citizen.
Ruger is spelled wrong.
An AR is a semi - not a Sturmgewehr.

Idiot was prohibited from possessing a firearm, in
addition to several and various other illegal acts.

You're focusing on minutae. Step back and look at the
problem. And don't pretend that mass shootings in America
are not a problem.

How long was Kelley in the church? How many rounds did he
fire? Why does anyone really need to fire more than about
ten rounds in one minute, except to commit a mass killing?

Are you a "good guy with a gun" fan? If Kelley had been
restricted to something like one shot every five seconds,
some "good guy with a gun" might have had a chance to stop
him. Of course, that requires someone to carry a
self-defense weapon into a country church on a Sunday
morning. That situation alone is despicable.

Why should a private citizen be allowed to buy a rifle with
many features designed ONLY for killing human beings and
doing it rapidly? Why should such guns be for sale on the
open market?

Will gun nuts continue to pretend the Founders' "well
regulated militia" includes a mass murderer of churchgoers?



Updates this morning-

Church included among its members the idiot's inlaws. They were not
there yet, arrived later.

A plumber with no formal training grabbed his rifle, returned fire
immediately then flagged a passing car to pursue said idiot.

You can't outlaw mental illness or stupidity or rage but the survivors
appreciate that he was driven off and then stopped. Too bad Mr Plumber
wasn't a minute quicker.


Apparently even if you outlaw selling weapons to felons that doesn't
work either.


Australia seems to have found ways to reduce this problem. America just
isn't smart enough.

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  #72  
Old November 7th 17, 02:36 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:36:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/6/2017 9:31 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/6/2017 8:23 AM, wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-churc...ry?id=50958603

from your link:
*"As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his rifle and
engaged that suspect, Martin said. "The suspect dropped his rifle --
which was a Rueger AR assault-type rifle -- and fled from the church.
Our local citizen pursued the suspect at that time."

The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later found dead in his
vehicle in Guadalupe County, according to authorities. It's unclear
whether he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was
shot by another person, officials said.

Interrupted by an armed citizen.
Ruger is spelled wrong.
An AR is a semi - not a Sturmgewehr.

Idiot was prohibited from possessing a firearm, in addition to several
and various other illegal acts.


You're focusing on minutae. Step back and look at the problem. And don't
pretend that mass shootings in America are not a problem.

How long was Kelley in the church? How many rounds did he fire? Why does
anyone really need to fire more than about ten rounds in one minute,
except to commit a mass killing?

Are you a "good guy with a gun" fan? If Kelley had been restricted to
something like one shot every five seconds, some "good guy with a gun"
might have had a chance to stop him. Of course, that requires someone to
carry a self-defense weapon into a country church on a Sunday morning.
That situation alone is despicable.

Why should a private citizen be allowed to buy a rifle with many
features designed ONLY for killing human beings and doing it rapidly?
Why should such guns be for sale on the open market?

Will gun nuts continue to pretend the Founders' "well regulated militia"
includes a mass murderer of churchgoers?


Given that Timothy McVeigh killed some 168 people and injured over 600
and is credited with causing the most significant act of domestic
terrorism in United States history, without using a firearm, why
aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of fertilizer, i.e.,
ammonium nitrate ?

The World Trade Center catastrophe which killed 2,996 people, injured
over 6,000 others, and caused at least $10 billion in infrastructure
and property damage, was carried out without using a firearm. Why
aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of Leatherman knives?

In short, your prejudices are showing.
--
Cheers,

John B.

  #73  
Old November 7th 17, 02:44 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Ralph Barone[_4_]
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John B. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:36:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/6/2017 9:31 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/6/2017 8:23 AM, wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-churc...ry?id=50958603


from your link:
*"As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his rifle and
engaged that suspect, Martin said. "The suspect dropped his rifle --
which was a Rueger AR assault-type rifle -- and fled from the church.
Our local citizen pursued the suspect at that time."

The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later found dead in his
vehicle in Guadalupe County, according to authorities. It's unclear
whether he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was
shot by another person, officials said.

Interrupted by an armed citizen.
Ruger is spelled wrong.
An AR is a semi - not a Sturmgewehr.

Idiot was prohibited from possessing a firearm, in addition to several
and various other illegal acts.


You're focusing on minutae. Step back and look at the problem. And don't
pretend that mass shootings in America are not a problem.

How long was Kelley in the church? How many rounds did he fire? Why does
anyone really need to fire more than about ten rounds in one minute,
except to commit a mass killing?

Are you a "good guy with a gun" fan? If Kelley had been restricted to
something like one shot every five seconds, some "good guy with a gun"
might have had a chance to stop him. Of course, that requires someone to
carry a self-defense weapon into a country church on a Sunday morning.
That situation alone is despicable.

Why should a private citizen be allowed to buy a rifle with many
features designed ONLY for killing human beings and doing it rapidly?
Why should such guns be for sale on the open market?

Will gun nuts continue to pretend the Founders' "well regulated militia"
includes a mass murderer of churchgoers?


Given that Timothy McVeigh killed some 168 people and injured over 600
and is credited with causing the most significant act of domestic
terrorism in United States history, without using a firearm, why
aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of fertilizer, i.e.,
ammonium nitrate ?

The World Trade Center catastrophe which killed 2,996 people, injured
over 6,000 others, and caused at least $10 billion in infrastructure
and property damage, was carried out without using a firearm. Why
aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of Leatherman knives?

In short, your prejudices are showing.
--
Cheers,

John B.



I suppose you could compare fertilizer deaths over the last 10 years to gun
deaths over the last 10 years...

  #74  
Old November 7th 17, 02:50 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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On 11/6/2017 7:44 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
John B. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:36:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/6/2017 9:31 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/6/2017 8:23 AM, wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-churc...ry?id=50958603


from your link:
"As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his rifle and
engaged that suspect, Martin said. "The suspect dropped his rifle --
which was a Rueger AR assault-type rifle -- and fled from the church.
Our local citizen pursued the suspect at that time."

The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later found dead in his
vehicle in Guadalupe County, according to authorities. It's unclear
whether he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was
shot by another person, officials said.

Interrupted by an armed citizen.
Ruger is spelled wrong.
An AR is a semi - not a Sturmgewehr.

Idiot was prohibited from possessing a firearm, in addition to several
and various other illegal acts.

You're focusing on minutae. Step back and look at the problem. And don't
pretend that mass shootings in America are not a problem.

How long was Kelley in the church? How many rounds did he fire? Why does
anyone really need to fire more than about ten rounds in one minute,
except to commit a mass killing?

Are you a "good guy with a gun" fan? If Kelley had been restricted to
something like one shot every five seconds, some "good guy with a gun"
might have had a chance to stop him. Of course, that requires someone to
carry a self-defense weapon into a country church on a Sunday morning.
That situation alone is despicable.

Why should a private citizen be allowed to buy a rifle with many
features designed ONLY for killing human beings and doing it rapidly?
Why should such guns be for sale on the open market?

Will gun nuts continue to pretend the Founders' "well regulated militia"
includes a mass murderer of churchgoers?


Given that Timothy McVeigh killed some 168 people and injured over 600
and is credited with causing the most significant act of domestic
terrorism in United States history, without using a firearm, why
aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of fertilizer, i.e.,
ammonium nitrate ?

The World Trade Center catastrophe which killed 2,996 people, injured
over 6,000 others, and caused at least $10 billion in infrastructure
and property damage, was carried out without using a firearm. Why
aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of Leatherman knives?

In short, your prejudices are showing.



I suppose you could compare fertilizer deaths over the last 10 years to gun
deaths over the last 10 years...


In Chicago?
http://maggionews.com/

or in Texas?
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-env...on-was-a-crime

Seriously life in a nation disarmed or a nation in famine is
no choice- crappy either way.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #75  
Old November 7th 17, 03:44 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 19:37:01 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/6/2017 11:22 AM, Duane wrote:
On 06/11/2017 11:03 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/6/2017 9:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/6/2017 9:31 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/6/2017 8:23 AM, wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-churc...ry?id=50958603



from your link:
* "As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his
rifle and engaged that suspect, Martin said. "The suspect
dropped his rifle -- which was a Rueger AR assault-type
rifle -- and fled from the church. Our local citizen
pursued the suspect at that time."

The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later
found dead in his vehicle in Guadalupe County, according
to authorities. It's unclear whether he died from a
self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was shot by
another person, officials said.

Interrupted by an armed citizen.
Ruger is spelled wrong.
An AR is a semi - not a Sturmgewehr.

Idiot was prohibited from possessing a firearm, in
addition to several and various other illegal acts.

You're focusing on minutae. Step back and look at the
problem. And don't pretend that mass shootings in America
are not a problem.

How long was Kelley in the church? How many rounds did he
fire? Why does anyone really need to fire more than about
ten rounds in one minute, except to commit a mass killing?

Are you a "good guy with a gun" fan? If Kelley had been
restricted to something like one shot every five seconds,
some "good guy with a gun" might have had a chance to stop
him. Of course, that requires someone to carry a
self-defense weapon into a country church on a Sunday
morning. That situation alone is despicable.

Why should a private citizen be allowed to buy a rifle with
many features designed ONLY for killing human beings and
doing it rapidly? Why should such guns be for sale on the
open market?

Will gun nuts continue to pretend the Founders' "well
regulated militia" includes a mass murderer of churchgoers?



Updates this morning-

Church included among its members the idiot's inlaws. They were not
there yet, arrived later.

A plumber with no formal training grabbed his rifle, returned fire
immediately then flagged a passing car to pursue said idiot.

You can't outlaw mental illness or stupidity or rage but the survivors
appreciate that he was driven off and then stopped. Too bad Mr Plumber
wasn't a minute quicker.


Apparently even if you outlaw selling weapons to felons that doesn't
work either.


Australia seems to have found ways to reduce this problem. America just
isn't smart enough.


Yes, and Australia has, roughly, half the auto deaths per 100,000
registered vehicles as the U.S. Is this because that they don't have
any guns? But so what?

From one site it appears that Washington, D.C. has a gun ownership
rate of 25.9% and a Murder and Non negligent homicide rate of
24.2/100,000.

In contrast:
Vermont - gun ownership is 28.8% and Homicide rate of 1.6/100,000
Texas - gun ownership of 35.9% and homicide rate of 4.8/100,000
Montana - gun ownership is 52.3 and homicide rate of 3.5/100,000
Wyoming - gun ownership is 53.8 and 2.7/100,000
Alaska - gun ownership is 61.7% and 8.0/100,000

In short, your thesis that guns cause crime just isn't correct. The
old adage that guns don't kill people, people kill people, apparently
is correct.

As for sheer numbers, you are getting all excited about, what was it?
26 gun deaths in Texas, while in Washington, D.C. they kill six times
that number annually and no one says a word.
--
Cheers,

John B.

  #76  
Old November 7th 17, 06:34 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 01:44:07 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:36:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/6/2017 9:31 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/6/2017 8:23 AM, wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-churc...ry?id=50958603


from your link:
*"As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his rifle and
engaged that suspect, Martin said. "The suspect dropped his rifle --
which was a Rueger AR assault-type rifle -- and fled from the church.
Our local citizen pursued the suspect at that time."

The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later found dead in his
vehicle in Guadalupe County, according to authorities. It's unclear
whether he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was
shot by another person, officials said.

Interrupted by an armed citizen.
Ruger is spelled wrong.
An AR is a semi - not a Sturmgewehr.

Idiot was prohibited from possessing a firearm, in addition to several
and various other illegal acts.

You're focusing on minutae. Step back and look at the problem. And don't
pretend that mass shootings in America are not a problem.

How long was Kelley in the church? How many rounds did he fire? Why does
anyone really need to fire more than about ten rounds in one minute,
except to commit a mass killing?

Are you a "good guy with a gun" fan? If Kelley had been restricted to
something like one shot every five seconds, some "good guy with a gun"
might have had a chance to stop him. Of course, that requires someone to
carry a self-defense weapon into a country church on a Sunday morning.
That situation alone is despicable.

Why should a private citizen be allowed to buy a rifle with many
features designed ONLY for killing human beings and doing it rapidly?
Why should such guns be for sale on the open market?

Will gun nuts continue to pretend the Founders' "well regulated militia"
includes a mass murderer of churchgoers?


Given that Timothy McVeigh killed some 168 people and injured over 600
and is credited with causing the most significant act of domestic
terrorism in United States history, without using a firearm, why
aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of fertilizer, i.e.,
ammonium nitrate ?

The World Trade Center catastrophe which killed 2,996 people, injured
over 6,000 others, and caused at least $10 billion in infrastructure
and property damage, was carried out without using a firearm. Why
aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of Leatherman knives?

In short, your prejudices are showing.
--
Cheers,

John B.



I suppose you could compare fertilizer deaths over the last 10 years to gun
deaths over the last 10 years...


Why? I didn't. But neither did I compare auto deaths over the past 10
years, 350,000 of them.

Strange that those who are so vehement about gun deaths seem to be so
complacent about highway deaths. After all there is a great outcry
about the 26 people shot in Texas and not a peep about the
approximately 90 people that died in car crashes the same day.
--
Cheers,

John B.

  #77  
Old November 7th 17, 06:47 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 7:31:34 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/6/2017 8:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 7:16:24 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/5/2017 8:29 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per AMuzi:
WTF? I suspect you 'misremembered' that.

Tamerlan Trarnayev died of blunt trauma

I was thinking of his brother hiding in the boat and the 20 seconds of
continuous small arms fire ("Contagious Fire"??) that the geniuses
surrounding poured into the boat.

It was nothing short of a miracle that he survived - and at a time when
they did not know:

- If others were involved

- If more bombs had been placed.

If ever there was an need to keep somebody alive to be debriefed in the
interest of saving civilian lives, that was it.

Didn't the 911 investigative panel return a finding that communications
between agencies/forces was a major failing? .... Didn't seem to me
like there was much communication going on the more like every
amateur/volunteer cop/Barney Fife Wannabe for miles around descending on
the place looking for somebody to shoot.

And did anybody else notice the guy in the full beard and plain clothes
carrying something that looked like an AR-15 running around? I'm
surprised he lived through that debacle.

I watched most of it on live TV and came away thinking I had been
watching The Keystone Cops in action.

Heaven forbid something really big happens.


While you or I were thinking about, for example, a woman
with no legs who watched her child turned to red spray, the
officers were likely thinking equally about Sean Colier:

"The original question is they walked up to that car and
appeared they shot the officer in the head unprovoked, that
it was an assassination. But why? How did that fit into
their plan? The operating theory now in the investigation is
they were short one gun. The older brother had a gun. They
wanted to get a gun for the younger brother and the fastest
and most efficient way they could think of doing it was a
surprise attack on a cop, to take his weapon and go. Officer
Collier had a locking holster, it’s like a three-way lock.
If you don’t know how to remove the gun, you’re not going to
get it out. There was apparently an attempt to yank it and
they couldn’t get it and left. “

I'm not excusing it but it's understandable.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-churc...ry?id=50958603



from your link:
"As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his
rifle and engaged that suspect, Martin said. "The suspect
dropped his rifle -- which was a Rueger AR assault-type
rifle -- and fled from the church. Our local citizen pursued
the suspect at that time."

The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later found
dead in his vehicle in Guadalupe County, according to
authorities. It's unclear whether he died from a
self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was shot by
another person, officials said.

Interrupted by an armed citizen.
Ruger is spelled wrong.
An AR is a semi - not a Sturmgewehr.

Idiot was prohibited from possessing a firearm, in addition
to several and various other illegal acts.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971



gunman bought his prohibited gun in Texas n texas blew the review ? amazing..
  #78  
Old November 7th 17, 07:14 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 11/7/2017 12:34 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 01:44:07 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:36:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/6/2017 9:31 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/6/2017 8:23 AM, wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-churc...ry?id=50958603


from your link:
Â*"As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his rifle and
engaged that suspect, Martin said. "The suspect dropped his rifle --
which was a Rueger AR assault-type rifle -- and fled from the church.
Our local citizen pursued the suspect at that time."

The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later found dead in his
vehicle in Guadalupe County, according to authorities. It's unclear
whether he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was
shot by another person, officials said.

Interrupted by an armed citizen.
Ruger is spelled wrong.
An AR is a semi - not a Sturmgewehr.

Idiot was prohibited from possessing a firearm, in addition to several
and various other illegal acts.

You're focusing on minutae. Step back and look at the problem. And don't
pretend that mass shootings in America are not a problem.

How long was Kelley in the church? How many rounds did he fire? Why does
anyone really need to fire more than about ten rounds in one minute,
except to commit a mass killing?

Are you a "good guy with a gun" fan? If Kelley had been restricted to
something like one shot every five seconds, some "good guy with a gun"
might have had a chance to stop him. Of course, that requires someone to
carry a self-defense weapon into a country church on a Sunday morning.
That situation alone is despicable.

Why should a private citizen be allowed to buy a rifle with many
features designed ONLY for killing human beings and doing it rapidly?
Why should such guns be for sale on the open market?

Will gun nuts continue to pretend the Founders' "well regulated militia"
includes a mass murderer of churchgoers?

Given that Timothy McVeigh killed some 168 people and injured over 600
and is credited with causing the most significant act of domestic
terrorism in United States history, without using a firearm, why
aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of fertilizer, i.e.,
ammonium nitrate ?

The World Trade Center catastrophe which killed 2,996 people, injured
over 6,000 others, and caused at least $10 billion in infrastructure
and property damage, was carried out without using a firearm. Why
aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of Leatherman knives?

In short, your prejudices are showing.
--
Cheers,

John B.



I suppose you could compare fertilizer deaths over the last 10 years to gun
deaths over the last 10 years...


Why? I didn't. But neither did I compare auto deaths over the past 10
years, 350,000 of them.

Strange that those who are so vehement about gun deaths seem to be so
complacent about highway deaths. After all there is a great outcry
about the 26 people shot in Texas and not a peep about the
approximately 90 people that died in car crashes the same day.


What evidence do you have that those concerned about gun deaths are
complacent about highway deaths? Are you pretending that if anyone
complains about a murder, there's some rule stating that they must
simultaneously complain about every other cause of death?

That's blatant nonsense, and a clumsy effort at distraction. Try it with
a cop sometime, John - as in "Well, I might have been going 40 kph over
the speed limit, but there are people driving drunk." See how far it
gets you.


--
- Frank Krygowski
  #79  
Old November 7th 17, 07:18 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 11/6/2017 9:44 PM, John B. wrote:

In short, your thesis that guns cause crime just isn't correct.


Where did I say that was my thesis?

The
old adage that guns don't kill people, people kill people, apparently
is correct.


In the U.S., people murder people mostly by using guns. In most other
advanced countries, the murder rates are far lower, and the gun murder
rates lower yet. You can't rationally pretend that the availability of
guns is not a significant factor.


As for sheer numbers, you are getting all excited about, what was it?
26 gun deaths in Texas, while in Washington, D.C. they kill six times
that number annually and no one says a word.


Bull****.


--
- Frank Krygowski
  #80  
Old November 7th 17, 07:47 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 01:14:09 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/7/2017 12:34 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 01:44:07 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:36:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/6/2017 9:31 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/6/2017 8:23 AM, wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-churc...ry?id=50958603


from your link:
*"As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his rifle and
engaged that suspect, Martin said. "The suspect dropped his rifle --
which was a Rueger AR assault-type rifle -- and fled from the church.
Our local citizen pursued the suspect at that time."

The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later found dead in his
vehicle in Guadalupe County, according to authorities. It's unclear
whether he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was
shot by another person, officials said.

Interrupted by an armed citizen.
Ruger is spelled wrong.
An AR is a semi - not a Sturmgewehr.

Idiot was prohibited from possessing a firearm, in addition to several
and various other illegal acts.

You're focusing on minutae. Step back and look at the problem. And don't
pretend that mass shootings in America are not a problem.

How long was Kelley in the church? How many rounds did he fire? Why does
anyone really need to fire more than about ten rounds in one minute,
except to commit a mass killing?

Are you a "good guy with a gun" fan? If Kelley had been restricted to
something like one shot every five seconds, some "good guy with a gun"
might have had a chance to stop him. Of course, that requires someone to
carry a self-defense weapon into a country church on a Sunday morning.
That situation alone is despicable.

Why should a private citizen be allowed to buy a rifle with many
features designed ONLY for killing human beings and doing it rapidly?
Why should such guns be for sale on the open market?

Will gun nuts continue to pretend the Founders' "well regulated militia"
includes a mass murderer of churchgoers?

Given that Timothy McVeigh killed some 168 people and injured over 600
and is credited with causing the most significant act of domestic
terrorism in United States history, without using a firearm, why
aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of fertilizer, i.e.,
ammonium nitrate ?

The World Trade Center catastrophe which killed 2,996 people, injured
over 6,000 others, and caused at least $10 billion in infrastructure
and property damage, was carried out without using a firearm. Why
aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of Leatherman knives?

In short, your prejudices are showing.
--
Cheers,

John B.



I suppose you could compare fertilizer deaths over the last 10 years to gun
deaths over the last 10 years...


Why? I didn't. But neither did I compare auto deaths over the past 10
years, 350,000 of them.

Strange that those who are so vehement about gun deaths seem to be so
complacent about highway deaths. After all there is a great outcry
about the 26 people shot in Texas and not a peep about the
approximately 90 people that died in car crashes the same day.


What evidence do you have that those concerned about gun deaths are
complacent about highway deaths? Are you pretending that if anyone
complains about a murder, there's some rule stating that they must
simultaneously complain about every other cause of death?


As I said above. Y'all seem so complacent. 26 people die of gun shot
wounds and every is hopping up and down, waving their arms in the air
and moaning and groaning. But I don't hear a peep about the
approximately 90 people that died in traffic "accidents" the same day.

No evidence other then what I see but it does seem apparent that it
isn't dead people that are of concern, it is how they died. Gunshot
wounds and Horror! Horror! But being picked up in pieces after hitting
the bridge abutment at 100 mph... Ho Hum, just another day.

That's blatant nonsense, and a clumsy effort at distraction. Try it with
a cop sometime, John - as in "Well, I might have been going 40 kph over
the speed limit, but there are people driving drunk." See how far it
gets you.


I see, approximately 90 people killed on the roads is just a
distraction... An interesting attitude.

I wasn't talking about trying to convince a police officer of
anything. Why change the subject?
--
Cheers,

John B.

 




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