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On 11/6/2017 11:22 AM, Duane wrote:
On 06/11/2017 11:03 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 11/6/2017 9:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/6/2017 9:31 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 11/6/2017 8:23 AM, wrote: http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-churc...ry?id=50958603 from your link: Â* "As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his rifle and engaged that suspect, Martin said. "The suspect dropped his rifle -- which was a Rueger AR assault-type rifle -- and fled from the church. Our local citizen pursued the suspect at that time." The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later found dead in his vehicle in Guadalupe County, according to authorities. It's unclear whether he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was shot by another person, officials said. Interrupted by an armed citizen. Ruger is spelled wrong. An AR is a semi - not a Sturmgewehr. Idiot was prohibited from possessing a firearm, in addition to several and various other illegal acts. You're focusing on minutae. Step back and look at the problem. And don't pretend that mass shootings in America are not a problem. How long was Kelley in the church? How many rounds did he fire? Why does anyone really need to fire more than about ten rounds in one minute, except to commit a mass killing? Are you a "good guy with a gun" fan? If Kelley had been restricted to something like one shot every five seconds, some "good guy with a gun" might have had a chance to stop him. Of course, that requires someone to carry a self-defense weapon into a country church on a Sunday morning. That situation alone is despicable. Why should a private citizen be allowed to buy a rifle with many features designed ONLY for killing human beings and doing it rapidly? Why should such guns be for sale on the open market? Will gun nuts continue to pretend the Founders' "well regulated militia" includes a mass murderer of churchgoers? Updates this morning- Church included among its members the idiot's inlaws. They were not there yet, arrived later. A plumber with no formal training grabbed his rifle, returned fire immediately then flagged a passing car to pursue said idiot. You can't outlaw mental illness or stupidity or rage but the survivors appreciate that he was driven off and then stopped. Too bad Mr Plumber wasn't a minute quicker. Apparently even if you outlaw selling weapons to felons that doesn't work either. Australia seems to have found ways to reduce this problem. America just isn't smart enough. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:36:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 11/6/2017 9:31 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 11/6/2017 8:23 AM, wrote: http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-churc...ry?id=50958603 from your link: *"As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his rifle and engaged that suspect, Martin said. "The suspect dropped his rifle -- which was a Rueger AR assault-type rifle -- and fled from the church. Our local citizen pursued the suspect at that time." The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later found dead in his vehicle in Guadalupe County, according to authorities. It's unclear whether he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was shot by another person, officials said. Interrupted by an armed citizen. Ruger is spelled wrong. An AR is a semi - not a Sturmgewehr. Idiot was prohibited from possessing a firearm, in addition to several and various other illegal acts. You're focusing on minutae. Step back and look at the problem. And don't pretend that mass shootings in America are not a problem. How long was Kelley in the church? How many rounds did he fire? Why does anyone really need to fire more than about ten rounds in one minute, except to commit a mass killing? Are you a "good guy with a gun" fan? If Kelley had been restricted to something like one shot every five seconds, some "good guy with a gun" might have had a chance to stop him. Of course, that requires someone to carry a self-defense weapon into a country church on a Sunday morning. That situation alone is despicable. Why should a private citizen be allowed to buy a rifle with many features designed ONLY for killing human beings and doing it rapidly? Why should such guns be for sale on the open market? Will gun nuts continue to pretend the Founders' "well regulated militia" includes a mass murderer of churchgoers? Given that Timothy McVeigh killed some 168 people and injured over 600 and is credited with causing the most significant act of domestic terrorism in United States history, without using a firearm, why aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of fertilizer, i.e., ammonium nitrate ? The World Trade Center catastrophe which killed 2,996 people, injured over 6,000 others, and caused at least $10 billion in infrastructure and property damage, was carried out without using a firearm. Why aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of Leatherman knives? In short, your prejudices are showing. -- Cheers, John B. |
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John B. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:36:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/6/2017 9:31 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 11/6/2017 8:23 AM, wrote: http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-churc...ry?id=50958603 from your link: *"As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his rifle and engaged that suspect, Martin said. "The suspect dropped his rifle -- which was a Rueger AR assault-type rifle -- and fled from the church. Our local citizen pursued the suspect at that time." The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later found dead in his vehicle in Guadalupe County, according to authorities. It's unclear whether he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was shot by another person, officials said. Interrupted by an armed citizen. Ruger is spelled wrong. An AR is a semi - not a Sturmgewehr. Idiot was prohibited from possessing a firearm, in addition to several and various other illegal acts. You're focusing on minutae. Step back and look at the problem. And don't pretend that mass shootings in America are not a problem. How long was Kelley in the church? How many rounds did he fire? Why does anyone really need to fire more than about ten rounds in one minute, except to commit a mass killing? Are you a "good guy with a gun" fan? If Kelley had been restricted to something like one shot every five seconds, some "good guy with a gun" might have had a chance to stop him. Of course, that requires someone to carry a self-defense weapon into a country church on a Sunday morning. That situation alone is despicable. Why should a private citizen be allowed to buy a rifle with many features designed ONLY for killing human beings and doing it rapidly? Why should such guns be for sale on the open market? Will gun nuts continue to pretend the Founders' "well regulated militia" includes a mass murderer of churchgoers? Given that Timothy McVeigh killed some 168 people and injured over 600 and is credited with causing the most significant act of domestic terrorism in United States history, without using a firearm, why aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of fertilizer, i.e., ammonium nitrate ? The World Trade Center catastrophe which killed 2,996 people, injured over 6,000 others, and caused at least $10 billion in infrastructure and property damage, was carried out without using a firearm. Why aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of Leatherman knives? In short, your prejudices are showing. -- Cheers, John B. I suppose you could compare fertilizer deaths over the last 10 years to gun deaths over the last 10 years... |
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On 11/6/2017 7:44 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
John B. wrote: On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:36:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/6/2017 9:31 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 11/6/2017 8:23 AM, wrote: http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-churc...ry?id=50958603 from your link: "As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his rifle and engaged that suspect, Martin said. "The suspect dropped his rifle -- which was a Rueger AR assault-type rifle -- and fled from the church. Our local citizen pursued the suspect at that time." The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later found dead in his vehicle in Guadalupe County, according to authorities. It's unclear whether he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was shot by another person, officials said. Interrupted by an armed citizen. Ruger is spelled wrong. An AR is a semi - not a Sturmgewehr. Idiot was prohibited from possessing a firearm, in addition to several and various other illegal acts. You're focusing on minutae. Step back and look at the problem. And don't pretend that mass shootings in America are not a problem. How long was Kelley in the church? How many rounds did he fire? Why does anyone really need to fire more than about ten rounds in one minute, except to commit a mass killing? Are you a "good guy with a gun" fan? If Kelley had been restricted to something like one shot every five seconds, some "good guy with a gun" might have had a chance to stop him. Of course, that requires someone to carry a self-defense weapon into a country church on a Sunday morning. That situation alone is despicable. Why should a private citizen be allowed to buy a rifle with many features designed ONLY for killing human beings and doing it rapidly? Why should such guns be for sale on the open market? Will gun nuts continue to pretend the Founders' "well regulated militia" includes a mass murderer of churchgoers? Given that Timothy McVeigh killed some 168 people and injured over 600 and is credited with causing the most significant act of domestic terrorism in United States history, without using a firearm, why aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of fertilizer, i.e., ammonium nitrate ? The World Trade Center catastrophe which killed 2,996 people, injured over 6,000 others, and caused at least $10 billion in infrastructure and property damage, was carried out without using a firearm. Why aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of Leatherman knives? In short, your prejudices are showing. I suppose you could compare fertilizer deaths over the last 10 years to gun deaths over the last 10 years... In Chicago? http://maggionews.com/ or in Texas? http://thehill.com/policy/energy-env...on-was-a-crime Seriously life in a nation disarmed or a nation in famine is no choice- crappy either way. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 19:37:01 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 11/6/2017 11:22 AM, Duane wrote: On 06/11/2017 11:03 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 11/6/2017 9:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/6/2017 9:31 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 11/6/2017 8:23 AM, wrote: http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-churc...ry?id=50958603 from your link: * "As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his rifle and engaged that suspect, Martin said. "The suspect dropped his rifle -- which was a Rueger AR assault-type rifle -- and fled from the church. Our local citizen pursued the suspect at that time." The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later found dead in his vehicle in Guadalupe County, according to authorities. It's unclear whether he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was shot by another person, officials said. Interrupted by an armed citizen. Ruger is spelled wrong. An AR is a semi - not a Sturmgewehr. Idiot was prohibited from possessing a firearm, in addition to several and various other illegal acts. You're focusing on minutae. Step back and look at the problem. And don't pretend that mass shootings in America are not a problem. How long was Kelley in the church? How many rounds did he fire? Why does anyone really need to fire more than about ten rounds in one minute, except to commit a mass killing? Are you a "good guy with a gun" fan? If Kelley had been restricted to something like one shot every five seconds, some "good guy with a gun" might have had a chance to stop him. Of course, that requires someone to carry a self-defense weapon into a country church on a Sunday morning. That situation alone is despicable. Why should a private citizen be allowed to buy a rifle with many features designed ONLY for killing human beings and doing it rapidly? Why should such guns be for sale on the open market? Will gun nuts continue to pretend the Founders' "well regulated militia" includes a mass murderer of churchgoers? Updates this morning- Church included among its members the idiot's inlaws. They were not there yet, arrived later. A plumber with no formal training grabbed his rifle, returned fire immediately then flagged a passing car to pursue said idiot. You can't outlaw mental illness or stupidity or rage but the survivors appreciate that he was driven off and then stopped. Too bad Mr Plumber wasn't a minute quicker. Apparently even if you outlaw selling weapons to felons that doesn't work either. Australia seems to have found ways to reduce this problem. America just isn't smart enough. Yes, and Australia has, roughly, half the auto deaths per 100,000 registered vehicles as the U.S. Is this because that they don't have any guns? But so what? From one site it appears that Washington, D.C. has a gun ownership rate of 25.9% and a Murder and Non negligent homicide rate of 24.2/100,000. In contrast: Vermont - gun ownership is 28.8% and Homicide rate of 1.6/100,000 Texas - gun ownership of 35.9% and homicide rate of 4.8/100,000 Montana - gun ownership is 52.3 and homicide rate of 3.5/100,000 Wyoming - gun ownership is 53.8 and 2.7/100,000 Alaska - gun ownership is 61.7% and 8.0/100,000 In short, your thesis that guns cause crime just isn't correct. The old adage that guns don't kill people, people kill people, apparently is correct. As for sheer numbers, you are getting all excited about, what was it? 26 gun deaths in Texas, while in Washington, D.C. they kill six times that number annually and no one says a word. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 01:44:07 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote: John B. wrote: On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:36:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/6/2017 9:31 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 11/6/2017 8:23 AM, wrote: http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-churc...ry?id=50958603 from your link: *"As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his rifle and engaged that suspect, Martin said. "The suspect dropped his rifle -- which was a Rueger AR assault-type rifle -- and fled from the church. Our local citizen pursued the suspect at that time." The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later found dead in his vehicle in Guadalupe County, according to authorities. It's unclear whether he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was shot by another person, officials said. Interrupted by an armed citizen. Ruger is spelled wrong. An AR is a semi - not a Sturmgewehr. Idiot was prohibited from possessing a firearm, in addition to several and various other illegal acts. You're focusing on minutae. Step back and look at the problem. And don't pretend that mass shootings in America are not a problem. How long was Kelley in the church? How many rounds did he fire? Why does anyone really need to fire more than about ten rounds in one minute, except to commit a mass killing? Are you a "good guy with a gun" fan? If Kelley had been restricted to something like one shot every five seconds, some "good guy with a gun" might have had a chance to stop him. Of course, that requires someone to carry a self-defense weapon into a country church on a Sunday morning. That situation alone is despicable. Why should a private citizen be allowed to buy a rifle with many features designed ONLY for killing human beings and doing it rapidly? Why should such guns be for sale on the open market? Will gun nuts continue to pretend the Founders' "well regulated militia" includes a mass murderer of churchgoers? Given that Timothy McVeigh killed some 168 people and injured over 600 and is credited with causing the most significant act of domestic terrorism in United States history, without using a firearm, why aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of fertilizer, i.e., ammonium nitrate ? The World Trade Center catastrophe which killed 2,996 people, injured over 6,000 others, and caused at least $10 billion in infrastructure and property damage, was carried out without using a firearm. Why aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of Leatherman knives? In short, your prejudices are showing. -- Cheers, John B. I suppose you could compare fertilizer deaths over the last 10 years to gun deaths over the last 10 years... Why? I didn't. But neither did I compare auto deaths over the past 10 years, 350,000 of them. Strange that those who are so vehement about gun deaths seem to be so complacent about highway deaths. After all there is a great outcry about the 26 people shot in Texas and not a peep about the approximately 90 people that died in car crashes the same day. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On 11/7/2017 12:34 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 01:44:07 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone wrote: John B. wrote: On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:36:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/6/2017 9:31 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 11/6/2017 8:23 AM, wrote: http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-churc...ry?id=50958603 from your link: Â*"As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his rifle and engaged that suspect, Martin said. "The suspect dropped his rifle -- which was a Rueger AR assault-type rifle -- and fled from the church. Our local citizen pursued the suspect at that time." The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later found dead in his vehicle in Guadalupe County, according to authorities. It's unclear whether he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was shot by another person, officials said. Interrupted by an armed citizen. Ruger is spelled wrong. An AR is a semi - not a Sturmgewehr. Idiot was prohibited from possessing a firearm, in addition to several and various other illegal acts. You're focusing on minutae. Step back and look at the problem. And don't pretend that mass shootings in America are not a problem. How long was Kelley in the church? How many rounds did he fire? Why does anyone really need to fire more than about ten rounds in one minute, except to commit a mass killing? Are you a "good guy with a gun" fan? If Kelley had been restricted to something like one shot every five seconds, some "good guy with a gun" might have had a chance to stop him. Of course, that requires someone to carry a self-defense weapon into a country church on a Sunday morning. That situation alone is despicable. Why should a private citizen be allowed to buy a rifle with many features designed ONLY for killing human beings and doing it rapidly? Why should such guns be for sale on the open market? Will gun nuts continue to pretend the Founders' "well regulated militia" includes a mass murderer of churchgoers? Given that Timothy McVeigh killed some 168 people and injured over 600 and is credited with causing the most significant act of domestic terrorism in United States history, without using a firearm, why aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of fertilizer, i.e., ammonium nitrate ? The World Trade Center catastrophe which killed 2,996 people, injured over 6,000 others, and caused at least $10 billion in infrastructure and property damage, was carried out without using a firearm. Why aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of Leatherman knives? In short, your prejudices are showing. -- Cheers, John B. I suppose you could compare fertilizer deaths over the last 10 years to gun deaths over the last 10 years... Why? I didn't. But neither did I compare auto deaths over the past 10 years, 350,000 of them. Strange that those who are so vehement about gun deaths seem to be so complacent about highway deaths. After all there is a great outcry about the 26 people shot in Texas and not a peep about the approximately 90 people that died in car crashes the same day. What evidence do you have that those concerned about gun deaths are complacent about highway deaths? Are you pretending that if anyone complains about a murder, there's some rule stating that they must simultaneously complain about every other cause of death? That's blatant nonsense, and a clumsy effort at distraction. Try it with a cop sometime, John - as in "Well, I might have been going 40 kph over the speed limit, but there are people driving drunk." See how far it gets you. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 11/6/2017 9:44 PM, John B. wrote:
In short, your thesis that guns cause crime just isn't correct. Where did I say that was my thesis? The old adage that guns don't kill people, people kill people, apparently is correct. In the U.S., people murder people mostly by using guns. In most other advanced countries, the murder rates are far lower, and the gun murder rates lower yet. You can't rationally pretend that the availability of guns is not a significant factor. As for sheer numbers, you are getting all excited about, what was it? 26 gun deaths in Texas, while in Washington, D.C. they kill six times that number annually and no one says a word. Bull****. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 01:14:09 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 11/7/2017 12:34 AM, John B. wrote: On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 01:44:07 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone wrote: John B. wrote: On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:36:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/6/2017 9:31 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 11/6/2017 8:23 AM, wrote: http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-churc...ry?id=50958603 from your link: *"As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his rifle and engaged that suspect, Martin said. "The suspect dropped his rifle -- which was a Rueger AR assault-type rifle -- and fled from the church. Our local citizen pursued the suspect at that time." The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later found dead in his vehicle in Guadalupe County, according to authorities. It's unclear whether he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was shot by another person, officials said. Interrupted by an armed citizen. Ruger is spelled wrong. An AR is a semi - not a Sturmgewehr. Idiot was prohibited from possessing a firearm, in addition to several and various other illegal acts. You're focusing on minutae. Step back and look at the problem. And don't pretend that mass shootings in America are not a problem. How long was Kelley in the church? How many rounds did he fire? Why does anyone really need to fire more than about ten rounds in one minute, except to commit a mass killing? Are you a "good guy with a gun" fan? If Kelley had been restricted to something like one shot every five seconds, some "good guy with a gun" might have had a chance to stop him. Of course, that requires someone to carry a self-defense weapon into a country church on a Sunday morning. That situation alone is despicable. Why should a private citizen be allowed to buy a rifle with many features designed ONLY for killing human beings and doing it rapidly? Why should such guns be for sale on the open market? Will gun nuts continue to pretend the Founders' "well regulated militia" includes a mass murderer of churchgoers? Given that Timothy McVeigh killed some 168 people and injured over 600 and is credited with causing the most significant act of domestic terrorism in United States history, without using a firearm, why aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of fertilizer, i.e., ammonium nitrate ? The World Trade Center catastrophe which killed 2,996 people, injured over 6,000 others, and caused at least $10 billion in infrastructure and property damage, was carried out without using a firearm. Why aren't you descrying the unrestricted sale of Leatherman knives? In short, your prejudices are showing. -- Cheers, John B. I suppose you could compare fertilizer deaths over the last 10 years to gun deaths over the last 10 years... Why? I didn't. But neither did I compare auto deaths over the past 10 years, 350,000 of them. Strange that those who are so vehement about gun deaths seem to be so complacent about highway deaths. After all there is a great outcry about the 26 people shot in Texas and not a peep about the approximately 90 people that died in car crashes the same day. What evidence do you have that those concerned about gun deaths are complacent about highway deaths? Are you pretending that if anyone complains about a murder, there's some rule stating that they must simultaneously complain about every other cause of death? As I said above. Y'all seem so complacent. 26 people die of gun shot wounds and every is hopping up and down, waving their arms in the air and moaning and groaning. But I don't hear a peep about the approximately 90 people that died in traffic "accidents" the same day. No evidence other then what I see but it does seem apparent that it isn't dead people that are of concern, it is how they died. Gunshot wounds and Horror! Horror! But being picked up in pieces after hitting the bridge abutment at 100 mph... Ho Hum, just another day. That's blatant nonsense, and a clumsy effort at distraction. Try it with a cop sometime, John - as in "Well, I might have been going 40 kph over the speed limit, but there are people driving drunk." See how far it gets you. I see, approximately 90 people killed on the roads is just a distraction... An interesting attitude. I wasn't talking about trying to convince a police officer of anything. Why change the subject? -- Cheers, John B. |
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