BAD seller - Mike Creed Sr.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:05:46 -0600, Mark E
wrote:

Chris Phillipo wrote:
In article om,
says...

Subject: BAD seller - Mike Creed Sr.
From:
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace, rec.bicycles.racing


scott patton wrote:

You gonna go to www.mikecreed.com and email his son?

Scott

Actually, if I were in this guy's position, that's exactly what I'd do.

The racing community in the U.S. is small, and word gets around. If
someone told me my old man was ripping people off, you bet I'd tell him
to cut it out.





Or if the guy in fact isn't even related to Mike, that would be an even
bigger deal.


Or if the guy was related to the rock band, CREED... that would be an
even BIGGER deal

Maybe there is an "other Old Mike Creed so the seller is actually
OOMC.

JT

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Bill C wrote:
MJR wrote:
I'm not saying anything bad about you .. you trusted this guy and
he
dicked you. But, let some good come from it and let other people
learn
from it.

What evidence do you have that OMC dicked this person? I have no
evidence that they even know each other. I have no evidence who, if
anyone is lieing. How do I know that the you and the two accusers
aren't people OMC has ****ed off by being outspoken and they are
making
a false claim to get even? We don't know squat at this point.
OMC has some standing here, but that shouldn't bias the case, but If
I
say they are pedophiles, that has the same standing as the
accusations
that have been made on the evidence that has been presented here.
Bill C
Don't accuse without evidence.

aol.com = the florida license plates of the information
superhighway....

Eric Harvey wrote:
I'll make one response here, for the sake of clarifying things. I
actually
used to frequent this group quite a bit back in the mid-late 90s, but
after
seeing some of the responses here....I remember why I left.

OMC, as he is being referred to here, had plenty of opportunity to
make
things right. After my first inquiry, he said the package was "lost"
in
customs and then implied that he had it back in his posession. He
said he
would be re-sending it on Jan. 24. After not receiving it in 3 weeks
(again), I e-mailed him and asked for a refund as it was 3 months and
I had
received no shoes/pedals. The reply was again about the package
being lost.
Blame the post system once, but don't blame it twice. I have done
HUNDREDS
of cross-border transactions, and never once has something truly been
lost,
nor has anything taken THREE months to arrive. So don't blame Canada
(Kunich, you stupid f*cknut, shut your pie-hole). If any of you were
in my
situation, what would you have done? After requesting a refund of my
money,
and being assured by OMC that it would happen, NOTHING happened in
the
following month. And that brought us to today.

I know OMC likes to read the newsgroups, and he also has his
reputation in
the much-vaunted society of "fathers of nearly famous bike racing
sons".
So, I posted the story, in its facts. And do you want to know the
result:

OMC paid my PayPal account $300 today, by 2 PM. No more prompting on
my
part, and no more false promises on his part. What exactly does this
tell
you? It tells me that he is a bull**** artist who might make good on
some
deals, but at the same time might also rip someone off. It also
tells me
that he was unwilling to do it unless he might possibly face scorn
and/or
embarassment from his precious little society. To me, the fact that
he did
nothing until he felt he might have some egg on his face, that speaks
volumes about his character. But hey, if you clowns want to believe
that
there is "another side to the story" and kiss OMC's ass because it
makes you
feel closer to the bigtime then be my guest. I got my money back.

I don't care if you all want to flame me, assassinate my personality,
whatever. Go nuts, do your best in true r.b.r tradition. I know
where my
morality lies, and I can count on hundreds of people I have sold
bicycle
stuff to over the internet as satisfied customers. OMC cannot say
the same.
Finally, if you want further evidence, in addition to the poster
(Tommy aka
TA) who also alluded to a bad deal with OMC, I also received two
private
e-mails from other frequenters of the groups who offered up their own
accounts of problematic deals with OMC. Sounds like a pattern.

Whatever,

Eric



"Eric Harvey" wrote in message
news:yVh_d.707472$Xk.60673@pd7tw3no...
Sorry for the cross-posting, but I just want to get the info out on
this
a-hole. I have been doing bike-related buying and selling over the
internet
via newsgroups and websites since 1994 and I have never been
"burned"
until
this transaction.

On Nov. 23, 2004, I paid Mr. Creed $300 USD via PayPal for a pair
of new
Shimano R215 shoes and Dura-Ace SPD-SL pedals that were advertised
on
roadbikereview.com. The agreement was to send the package via US
Postal
service airmail to me in Canada. They did not arrive before
Christmas, but
I
gave some extra grace period because this is a very busy time for
the mail
system.

After not receiving anything by Jan. 11, 2005, I e-mailed Mr. Creed
and
inquired. He was very responsive, even offering to "buy new
shoes/pedals
and
send them". I told him to first check into the situation with the
post
office. He replied on Jan. 21 saying that the USPS had found the
package
in
customs and the label had been damaged, hence the delay. He said he
would
re-send them by Monday Jan. 24.

By Feb. 17, I started to believe that nothing was coming. I sent
Mr. Creed
an e-mail stating that I was unsure about the transaction and its
legitimacy, and that at this point I just wanted my money to be
refunded
to
my PayPal account. Obviously I had no recourse to file a complaint
via
PayPal because the 30 day window had expired (edit: it is actually
45
days,
still makes no difference). However, I told Mr. Creed that in the
interests
of fair trade he should refund my money. He replied, initially
saying
something about the lost package, I replied back that I just wanted
my
money, and he replied saying "refund forthcoming".

It is now Mar. 16, and I have not received a refund. Again, I fully
realize
that I don't really have any grounds, but I have told Mr. Creed
that I
would
be posting about his trading habits here and on rec.bicycles
newsgroups
where also frequents. I would fully recommend that anyone reading
this to
never consider a purchase from Mr. Creed, regardless of the price
and
promises.

Mr. Creed, I know you read these newsgroups. Don't try to engage
me in a
conversation about the situation. It has been nearly 4 months since
you
received my money and I have received nothing! I do not want to
talk about
it on this forum or in e-mail. I just want you to simply refund my
money
to
my PayPal account. That is the only honest solution you can provide
at
this
point.

Eric



Man, you got your money back and you're still bitter?? I would have
just said, "Yeah, got my 3 bills back. Thanks for nothing." end of
story. Rant on brother, rant on...

Tom

Eric Harvey wrote:
I'll make one response here, for the sake of clarifying things. I
actually
used to frequent this group quite a bit back in the mid-late 90s, but
after
seeing some of the responses here....I remember why I left.

OMC, as he is being referred to here, had plenty of opportunity to
make
things right. After my first inquiry, he said the package was "lost"
in
customs and then implied that he had it back in his posession. He
said he
would be re-sending it on Jan. 24. After not receiving it in 3 weeks
(again), I e-mailed him and asked for a refund as it was 3 months and
I had
received no shoes/pedals. The reply was again about the package
being lost.
Blame the post system once, but don't blame it twice. I have done
HUNDREDS
of cross-border transactions, and never once has something truly been
lost,
nor has anything taken THREE months to arrive. So don't blame Canada
(Kunich, you stupid f*cknut, shut your pie-hole). If any of you were
in my
situation, what would you have done? After requesting a refund of my
money,
and being assured by OMC that it would happen, NOTHING happened in
the
following month. And that brought us to today.

I know OMC likes to read the newsgroups, and he also has his
reputation in
the much-vaunted society of "fathers of nearly famous bike racing
sons".
So, I posted the story, in its facts. And do you want to know the
result:

OMC paid my PayPal account $300 today, by 2 PM. No more prompting on
my
part, and no more false promises on his part. What exactly does this
tell
you? It tells me that he is a bull**** artist who might make good on
some
deals, but at the same time might also rip someone off. It also
tells me
that he was unwilling to do it unless he might possibly face scorn
and/or
embarassment from his precious little society. To me, the fact that
he did
nothing until he felt he might have some egg on his face, that speaks
volumes about his character. But hey, if you clowns want to believe
that
there is "another side to the story" and kiss OMC's ass because it
makes you
feel closer to the bigtime then be my guest. I got my money back.

I don't care if you all want to flame me, assassinate my personality,
whatever. Go nuts, do your best in true r.b.r tradition. I know
where my
morality lies, and I can count on hundreds of people I have sold
bicycle
stuff to over the internet as satisfied customers. OMC cannot say
the same.
Finally, if you want further evidence, in addition to the poster
(Tommy aka
TA) who also alluded to a bad deal with OMC, I also received two
private
e-mails from other frequenters of the groups who offered up their own
accounts of problematic deals with OMC. Sounds like a pattern.

Whatever,

Eric



"Eric Harvey" wrote in message
news:yVh_d.707472$Xk.60673@pd7tw3no...
Sorry for the cross-posting, but I just want to get the info out on
this
a-hole. I have been doing bike-related buying and selling over the
internet
via newsgroups and websites since 1994 and I have never been
"burned"
until
this transaction.

On Nov. 23, 2004, I paid Mr. Creed $300 USD via PayPal for a pair
of new
Shimano R215 shoes and Dura-Ace SPD-SL pedals that were advertised
on
roadbikereview.com. The agreement was to send the package via US
Postal
service airmail to me in Canada. They did not arrive before
Christmas, but
I
gave some extra grace period because this is a very busy time for
the mail
system.

After not receiving anything by Jan. 11, 2005, I e-mailed Mr. Creed
and
inquired. He was very responsive, even offering to "buy new
shoes/pedals
and
send them". I told him to first check into the situation with the
post
office. He replied on Jan. 21 saying that the USPS had found the
package
in
customs and the label had been damaged, hence the delay. He said he
would
re-send them by Monday Jan. 24.

By Feb. 17, I started to believe that nothing was coming. I sent
Mr. Creed
an e-mail stating that I was unsure about the transaction and its
legitimacy, and that at this point I just wanted my money to be
refunded
to
my PayPal account. Obviously I had no recourse to file a complaint
via
PayPal because the 30 day window had expired (edit: it is actually
45
days,
still makes no difference). However, I told Mr. Creed that in the
interests
of fair trade he should refund my money. He replied, initially
saying
something about the lost package, I replied back that I just wanted
my
money, and he replied saying "refund forthcoming".

It is now Mar. 16, and I have not received a refund. Again, I fully
realize
that I don't really have any grounds, but I have told Mr. Creed
that I
would
be posting about his trading habits here and on rec.bicycles
newsgroups
where also frequents. I would fully recommend that anyone reading
this to
never consider a purchase from Mr. Creed, regardless of the price
and
promises.

Mr. Creed, I know you read these newsgroups. Don't try to engage
me in a
conversation about the situation. It has been nearly 4 months since
you
received my money and I have received nothing! I do not want to
talk about
it on this forum or in e-mail. I just want you to simply refund my
money
to
my PayPal account. That is the only honest solution you can provide
at
this
point.

Eric



I don't see anyone attacking you personally. I see people pointing out
experiences they've had that might be relevant to your situation, and
people saying they've had good experiences with OMC. What your ****ed
off about is that he is being given the benefit of the doubt and we
aren't all just jumping on the bash OMC bandwagon without having a lot
more information. Getting into a ****ing match with half the group
isn't going to make you look any better. If you spent any serious time
here in the past you know that nobody has even begun to warm up with
the attacks. **** I don't even think anyones called you a DUMBASS yet.
Bill C

Creed is a crumb. Where's my carbon fiber BoB Yak, ya crumb!

In article .com,
CowPunk wrote:


Maybe it's hard to get time off from Burger King.... or Kunich is too

busy lusting after him....

Is that the BK across from the OTC?


Not sure... Ask lafferty.
--
-*- Scott Patton
-*- Colorado Springs, CO

Eric Harvey wrote:

OMC paid my PayPal account $300 today, by 2 PM. No more prompting on my
part, and no more false promises on his part. What exactly does this tell
you? It tells me that he is a bull**** artist who might make good on some
deals, but at the same time might also rip someone off. It also tells me
that he was unwilling to do it unless he might possibly face scorn and/or
embarassment from his precious little society. To me, the fact that he did
nothing until he felt he might have some egg on his face, that speaks
volumes about his character. But hey, if you clowns want to believe that
there is "another side to the story" and kiss OMC's ass because it makes you
feel closer to the bigtime then be my guest. I got my money back.


Congratulations.

"It's sad when an illusion dies, it's as though you've lost a child."

Bill C wrote:
**** I don't even think anyones called you a DUMBASS yet.
Bill C

Perhaps thats an insult in itself.

Eric Harvey wrote:
I'll make one response here, for the sake of clarifying things. I
actually
used to frequent this group quite a bit back in the mid-late 90s, but
after
seeing some of the responses here....I remember why I left.

Eric, we remember you well and you've not been missed.

OMC, as he is being referred to here, had plenty of opportunity to
make
things right. After my first inquiry, he said the package was "lost"
in
customs and then implied that he had it back in his posession. He
said he
would be re-sending it on Jan. 24. After not receiving it in 3 weeks
(again), I e-mailed him and asked for a refund as it was 3 months and
I had
received no shoes/pedals. The reply was again about the package
being lost.
Blame the post system once, but don't blame it twice. I have done
HUNDREDS
of cross-border transactions, and never once has something truly been
lost,
nor has anything taken THREE months to arrive. So don't blame Canada
(Kunich, you stupid f*cknut, shut your pie-hole). If any of you were
in my
situation, what would you have done? After requesting a refund of my
money,
and being assured by OMC that it would happen, NOTHING happened in
the
following month. And that brought us to today.

Funny thing is that I think that I got that Peugeot PX-10 frame from
you. Why don't you tell us that it wasn't you and that the six month
delay wasn't because of the dumb-**** Canadian customs system? If it
wasn't you from whom I got that frame it was someone who wrote a great
deal like you.

OMC paid my PayPal account $300 today, by 2 PM. No more prompting on
my
part, and no more false promises on his part. What exactly does this
tell
you?

That he had already been planning on returning your money and you
happened to post just before he did.

I don't care if you all want to flame me, assassinate my personality,
whatever.

Aren't you assuming that you DO have a persinality?

Eric Harvey wrote:
I'll make one response here, for the sake of clarifying things. I
actually
used to frequent this group quite a bit back in the mid-late 90s, but
after
seeing some of the responses here....I remember why I left.

Eric, we remember you well and you've not been missed.

OMC, as he is being referred to here, had plenty of opportunity to
make
things right. After my first inquiry, he said the package was "lost"
in
customs and then implied that he had it back in his posession. He
said he
would be re-sending it on Jan. 24. After not receiving it in 3 weeks
(again), I e-mailed him and asked for a refund as it was 3 months and
I had
received no shoes/pedals. The reply was again about the package
being lost.
Blame the post system once, but don't blame it twice. I have done
HUNDREDS
of cross-border transactions, and never once has something truly been
lost,
nor has anything taken THREE months to arrive. So don't blame Canada
(Kunich, you stupid f*cknut, shut your pie-hole). If any of you were
in my
situation, what would you have done? After requesting a refund of my
money,
and being assured by OMC that it would happen, NOTHING happened in
the
following month. And that brought us to today.

Funny thing is that I think that I got that Peugeot PX-10 frame from
you. Why don't you tell us that it wasn't you and that the six month
delay wasn't because of the dumb-**** Canadian customs system? If it
wasn't you from whom I got that frame it was someone who wrote a great
deal like you.

OMC paid my PayPal account $300 today, by 2 PM. No more prompting on
my
part, and no more false promises on his part. What exactly does this
tell
you?

That he had already been planning on returning your money and you
happened to post just before he did.

I don't care if you all want to flame me, assassinate my personality,
whatever.

Aren't you assuming that you DO have a personality?