Could Key West be a bike model for America?

On Oct 30, 8:21*pm, "Papa Tom" wrote:
Sounds to me like the rest of you guys are whipping him/her up pretty well.
Are you sure King of the Apes is the problem, or is it just that many of
this group's members are unwilling to "respectfully disagree" with him/her?

Just my unsolicited input. * Papa Tom

By cross-posting to motorcycle newsgroups, he's recieving exactly the
level of "respect" he shows for those he shares usenet with. None, in
other words.

On Oct 30, 1:09*pm, KingOfTheApes wrote:
I'm sure many people here have been already to Key West, so we can
talk a common language. Well, for those who don't, you see a lot of
bicycles around town, with some of the major streets having bike
lanes. There's also scooters and EVs, which goes to mean that SMALL IS
BETTER down there.

Not Main Street, America, right?

So could the be a model for the future of America, not far-fetched
models like Holland that would take a revolution (mine) and the firing
of our politicians, just an acceptance of civilized behavior among our
fellow Americans? In other words, CAN WE LEAVE THE JUNGLE BEHIND?

'Face it: Bigger is better. Since it's a jungle out there, where the
meek get eaten for lunch, if you wanna be Tarzan, you'd better swing a
bigger club.'

http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles..._chevy_engine_...

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WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
(home of the Dutch model!)

http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

Maybe Fire Island in NY could be a good example of a bicycle oriented
society.

Eric

Road Glidin' Don wrote:

By cross-posting to motorcycle newsgroups, he's recieving exactly the
level of "respect" he shows for those he shares usenet with. None, in
other words.

Strange how some folks' panties become wadded up over
something as harmless as cross posting. Myself, I welcome
the diversity...


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On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
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http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm

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http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
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"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

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Papa Tom wrote:

Sounds to me like the rest of you guys are whipping him/her up pretty well.
Are you sure King of the Apes is the problem, or is it just that many of
this group's members are unwilling to "respectfully disagree" with him/her?

Just my unsolicited input. Papa Tom

They're just angry, uptight, and easily offended with
no authority in real life, so they come to usenet to
play tough guys and 'net cops. ;-)


--

http://911research.wtc7.net
http://www.journalof911studies.com/
http://www.911truth.org



Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal...are/fires.html
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm

Ever wonder who benefits from the 700 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

On Oct 31, 12:34*pm, Henry wrote:
Papa Tom wrote:
Sounds to me like the rest of you guys are whipping him/her up pretty well.
Are you sure King of the Apes is the problem, or is it just that many of
this group's members are unwilling to "respectfully disagree" with him/her?
Just my unsolicited input. * Papa Tom

* They're just angry, uptight, and easily offended with
no authority in real life, so they come to usenet to
play tough guys and 'net cops. ;-)

Exactly, and AFRAID OF NEW IDEAS, which should be whole point of
reading the Internet, right? If I wanted to have the official
viewpoint, I'd tune to Fox News, I guess.

Anyway, there's seem to be a contradiction between Key West design
(old town that ironically comes to be called "new urbanism" nowadays)
and the urban sprawl representative of the American landscape...

(I answer below)

Originally Posted by andrelam

"I've visted KeyWest and would agree that if there is ANY town in
America that can be made largely car free this one would be it. I've
walked clear across town in less than 20 minutes. Many European cities
have banned general driving in their city cores with some limited
driving allowed for business owners (mostly delivery vehickles). You'd
be able to open up the main streets near where the cruise ships arrive
and make then all 100 pedestrian zones. In Holland this works great is
just about every village or city I've seen. Delivery vehicles can
still make it through, they just drive very slowly. Cyclist and
pedestrians have no problem integrating in those streets either."

Happy riding,
André

***

Yep, then we are back to square one... We don't have bikes in Main
Street because it was made to accommodate cars, so we'd have to start
by demolishing 75% of America, and then build it again.

And yet, I'm sure we can accomodate bikes in the suburban landscape if
there was the POLITICAL WILL and/or public demand.

On Oct 31, 10:30*am, Henry wrote:
Road Glidin' Don wrote:

By cross-posting to motorcycle newsgroups, he's recieving exactly the
level of "respect" he shows for those he shares usenet with. *None, in
other words.

* Strange how some folks' panties become wadded up over
something as harmless as cross posting. Myself, I welcome
the diversity...

Perhaps you actually mean "attention" or "largest possible audience
for your views." It's the only resort left to those who, by personal
reputation or choice of idiotic subject matter, know their threads
won't get going unless they expand their net large enough to catch
sufficient numbers of loonies.

Suppose every message I and every other person here posted was cross-
posted to a dozen or more newsgroups, related or not, in an effort to
have our views read by as many people as possible. It would tend to
negate the rationale for having newsgroups devoted to particular areas
of interest - areas which, although never pure in content, are
nevertheless identifiable, making people better able to filter out
subjects they don't want to be deluged with (like non-Americans with
endless rehashing of a single American 9/11 controversy).

If that's too hard to get your head around, then imagine the extreme
of that: No newsgroups at all on usenet. Just one, big super-
newsgroup for everything and everyone. Now *there's* diversity for
ya, right? Then imagine how much luck anyone would have pursuing
topics they are interested in. End result: No one uses the resource
any longer because it's become unusable.

People who engage in what King of Apes does prove they don't
understand a thing about sharing a common resource (usenet). And,
while showing that, he then preaches to others about sharing the road.

On Oct 31, 10:34*am, Henry wrote:
Papa Tom wrote:
Sounds to me like the rest of you guys are whipping him/her up pretty well.
Are you sure King of the Apes is the problem, or is it just that many of
this group's members are unwilling to "respectfully disagree" with him/her?
Just my unsolicited input. * Papa Tom

* They're just angry, uptight, and easily offended with
no authority in real life, so they come to usenet to
play tough guys and 'net cops. ;-)

Of course. You, cross-posting vitriol about Bush and 9/11 here day
after day after day for 5 years without a break... that's not an
example of being angry, uptight or easily offended. But, if someone
suggests you give it a break, then it's *their* panties that are in a
wad. Riiiiiiight.

On Oct 31, 10:47*am, KingOfTheApes
wrote:
On Oct 31, 12:34*pm, Henry wrote:

Papa Tom wrote:
Sounds to me like the rest of you guys are whipping him/her up pretty well.
Are you sure King of the Apes is the problem, or is it just that many of
this group's members are unwilling to "respectfully disagree" with him/her?
Just my unsolicited input. * Papa Tom

* They're just angry, uptight, and easily offended with
no authority in real life, so they come to usenet to
play tough guys and 'net cops. ;-)

Exactly, and AFRAID OF NEW IDEAS,
snip

I gotta admit it's amusing to observe how much kooks have in common;
like this belief everyone is "afraid" of their ideas. Oooooooh,
scary. You guys are like little carbon copies of each other. g

On Oct 31, 1:18*pm, "Road Glidin' Don" wrote:
On Oct 31, 10:47*am, KingOfTheApes
wrote: On Oct 31, 12:34*pm, Henry wrote:

Papa Tom wrote:
Sounds to me like the rest of you guys are whipping him/her up pretty well.
Are you sure King of the Apes is the problem, or is it just that many of
this group's members are unwilling to "respectfully disagree" with him/her?
Just my unsolicited input. * Papa Tom

* They're just angry, uptight, and easily offended with
no authority in real life, so they come to usenet to
play tough guys and 'net cops. ;-)

Exactly, and AFRAID OF NEW IDEAS,

snip

I gotta admit it's amusing to observe how much kooks have in common;
like this belief everyone is "afraid" of their ideas. *Oooooooh,
scary. *You guys are like little carbon copies of each other. *g

Good to know you can actually fill a page without actually saying
nothing.

The subject here is NOT 9-11, but my subject here is and has always
been WHY AMERICAN ROADS REMAIN A JUNGLE, AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO FIX IT.
If we don't, then 44,000 more Americans will die every year and that's
more than 10 times worse than 9-11...

Ready to learn something?

Originally Posted by Bekologist
"There's Portland, New York City, Chicago, Seattle, San Francisco,
Denver, Minneapolis, Berkeley as examples of cities with nods towards
bicycling in their public space design that stand as better examples
and be much more easily transmutable to other cities both large and
small."

***

I'm sure they are, but perhaps Key West retains a different atmosfere,
not just people commuting to work. There's a strong sense of community
I think while being opened to the outside world. They pride themselves
in being a separate Conch Republic, which means they want to feel
different.

There used to be a sign (not sure if it's still there) saying
something to the effect of DON'T EVEN THINK OF SPEEDING, WE ARE NOT IN
MAINLAND AMERICA.

Also there's the fact that electric vehicles, scooters, and
motorcycles coexist there.

On Oct 31, 11:36*am, KingOfTheApes
wrote:
On Oct 31, 1:18*pm, "Road Glidin' Don" wrote:





On Oct 31, 10:47*am, KingOfTheApes
wrote: On Oct 31, 12:34*pm, Henry wrote:

Papa Tom wrote:
Sounds to me like the rest of you guys are whipping him/her up pretty well.
Are you sure King of the Apes is the problem, or is it just that many of
this group's members are unwilling to "respectfully disagree" with him/her?
Just my unsolicited input. * Papa Tom

* They're just angry, uptight, and easily offended with
no authority in real life, so they come to usenet to
play tough guys and 'net cops. ;-)

Exactly, and AFRAID OF NEW IDEAS,

snip

I gotta admit it's amusing to observe how much kooks have in common;
like this belief everyone is "afraid" of their ideas. *Oooooooh,
scary. *You guys are like little carbon copies of each other. *g

Good to know you can actually fill a page without actually saying
nothing.

The subject here is NOT 9-11, but my subject here is and has always
been WHY AMERICAN ROADS REMAIN A JUNGLE
snip

Hey ****nuts. Instead of roadways, let's see you devote your next
post to the subject to proper respect for the commonly shared resource
of Usenet, while cross-posting to as many unrelated newsgroups as
possible.