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On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:23:29 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 5:34:34 PM UTC-5, Joerg wrote: Thanks to the previous president we now have a $5k deductible, per person, plus over $11k/year in premiums and the ER is I believe $200 min charge just to say hi. The handshake with the family physician is cheaper, "only" $70. I pay $4200 per year. My deductible is similar to you. $11,000 per year? What are you buying? Platinum, gold plated, diamond encrusted insurance where the doctors visit your house every week? Why you choose to buy such expensive and foolish insurance is your choice. Wow. Don't know what the Emergency Room costs on my plan since I don't go to the ER. Ambulances are $250, not covered by my insurance unless admitted to the ER. My plan provides several specialists such as endocrinologists, podiatrists, opthamologists for just $5 copay. General exam each year is $5 too. I think you need to do a much better job of investigating your insurance options. You seem to be a sucker who bends over and reaches back and spreads them for whomever wants to put it in. Like a couple months ago when I had another bad case of poison oak, went online, went in same day. I knew exactly what I needed but the law and medical turf protection requires the doc has to see you or you won't get the ointment. Why do you need special medicine for poison oak? Cortisone treats it very effectively. Cortisone costs $2 per tube at the pharmacy. You seem to be one of those people who deliberately drives up medical costs. Don't waste money and medical resources by going to the doctor for frivolous stuff. Just go to the local pharmacy and get a $2 tube of cortisone. Calamine lotion used to be the "drug of choice" for poison ivy or oak rashes :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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On 10/11/2017 8:52 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 15:25:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/11/2017 6:23 AM, Duane wrote: Nobody is stupid enough to think all 11 speed CF bikes are useful only for TDF riders. Both 11 speed and CF frames are pretty much the standard offering at most bike shops around here. Of course, people are allowed to buy what they prefer. But I see that "standard offering at most bike shops" as somewhat weird. Think about it. Most people who go into most bike shops are never going to race. Most are almost never going to try to ride fast. But it sounds like that "standard offering" is optimized for fast riding in many ways. I know some CF 11-speed bikes make it possible to (say) fit racks and fenders and lights and decent-sized bags and wider tires and low gears. But if your shops are like ours, the ones that have 11 speed CF as "standard" tend to reject those ideas. "28mm tires? Sorry, not on these bikes. The brakes won't allow them." That's what a friend of mine heard. People are allowed to buy what they prefer. But I think a lot of people are convinced to "prefer" something that's ill-suited to their real world riding. While I agree with you in principal I wonder but what the bike shops aren't offering "what sells". At the shop I usually patronize I have often seen the sales people suggesting a sort of mundane middle of the range bike to people who quite obviously do not have any idea what they are doing and almost universally the buyer will say something like "Oh, only 9 gears? But that one has 11". I wonder whether Andrew might comment here? When you completely understand retail psychology, write me a letter please. No one else does. For every hypothesis, there a many examples and many counterexamples. Which is good. People are not widgets, they are actors driven by complex sometimes illogical meatware. What I do know is that any business with stock merchandise their clientele doesn't buy is not long for this world. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 10/12/2017 3:46 AM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 00:49:57 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/11/2017 9:38 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:29:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/11/2017 9:42 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 4:54:17 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote: It seems unlikely, at best, to believe that you didn't understand the content of the original posts between Frank and I where he commented that punching holes in a paper target with a gun and thinking you were a big, bad, man was childish. I then replied "like a 60 year old guy on a CF racing bike". I can only assume that you are interjecting your off topic remarks deliberately. So yes, goodbye. Walking off in a snit again John? Really, get over yourself. You're beginning to sound like Frank who denies that where the strongest guns laws are we have the highest rates of gun crimes and where the least gun laws are in effect the murder rates are insignificant. You mean like Canada vs. the U.S.? Or like Windsor vs. Detroit? Got numbers? Even a casual look shows little correlation between gun ownership in the U.S. and homicides. Gun ownership http://tinyurl.com/ybnxnu8x States with Extremely High Populations of Gun Owners (more than 50%) 1. Wyoming - 59.7% Homicide rate 2.7/100,000 2. Alaska - 57.8% 8.0 3. Montana - 57.7% 3.5 4. South Dakota - 56.6% 3.7 5. West Virginia - 55.4% 3.8 6. Mississippi - 55.3% 8.7 6. Idaho - 55.3% 1.9 6. Arkansas - 55.3% 6.1 9. Alabama - 51.7% 7.2 10. North Dakota - 50.7% 2.8 States with Below Median Populations of Gun Owners 40. Delaware - 25.5% Homicide rate 6.7/100,000 41. Florida - 24.5% 5.1 42. California - 21.3% 4.8 42. Maryland - 21.3% 8.6 44. Illinois - 20.2% 5.8 45. New York - 18% 3.1 46. Connecticut - 16.7% 3.3 47. Rhode Island - 12.8% 2.7 48. Massachusetts - 12.6% 1.9 49. New Jersey - 12.3% 4.1 50. Hawaii - 6.7% 1.3 Homicide rate from http://tinyurl.com/gp9usuy The State with the lowest homicide rate is New Hampshire (1.1/100,000) and gun ownership of 30%. I've been generally aware of that data for quite a while. Digging deeper, here is what I think it shows: States with lower population density, and especially with a greater percentage of their population living in rural areas, tend to have more people who own rifles and shotguns used for hunting and "varmint" control. They also have much less of the social stress derived from mixed cultures in dense cities. Whether it is lower density or whatever I'm fairly sure that the people are the major problem area. To make a very broad statement I suggest that crime, of all kinds, and economic conditions. particularly poverty, are associated, probably closely. Here, during a previous administration jobs just seemed to evaporate and crime increased to the point that women no longer wore their gold neck chains. Then another coup and the economy grew and crime decreased, and the neck chains reappeared :-) But please note: I'm strongly in favor of hunting with guns. I'm strongly in favor of most varmint control. I'm not talking about reducing the number of guns in general. Instead, I'm talking about reducing (or ideally, eliminating) the number of guns specifically designed for killing other people. Those would include guns designed or modified to shoot rapidly and to shoot many rounds without reloading. And to further infuriate the gun nuts, I'd be in favor of eventually reducing the number of handguns, since almost all of those are intended as people killers. The problem is, as I tried to point out, is that any configuration of a "gun" can be used to kill people. Wild Bill Hickok kill at least 8 people with a .36 caliber cap and ball revolver, which is classified as an antique and can be legally owned by anyone today. At the gun fight at the O.K. Corral" at least one individual was armed with a double barrel shotgun, which is commonly used to hunt with. The so called "Bump Stock" is legal as the federal definition of a machine gun is any weapon that fires more than once when the trigger is pulled. I might add that the original "Bowie knife" probably had a blade in the neighborhood of 9 or 10 inches long. You can buy a Chef's knife from Amazon that is 10 inches long. So: If we could correlate the number of non-hunting guns with gun homicide rates, I suspect we'd see much different results. I think the number of people-killing guns correlates pretty well with the rate of gun deaths. But I doubt that information is out there. The NRA has successfully purchased laws that prohibit studying gun violence too closely. I'm not so sure about that as without very much effort I seem to find a considerable amount of official data regarding shootings. But some of the NRA's propaganda is accurate. The numbers of people with Concealed Carry Permits and the number of them that commit a "gun crime", for example, seems to provide a pretty good argument to the "guns = gun crime" theory. I think that the real point is that some people, nations, or races, or economic condition, or whatever, are just more aggressive then others, and will commit more murders with whatever is available. The Japanese, where ownership of a weapon by the average citizen has first banned in the 1600's, seem quite adapt at killing people with a knife. Most of the African massacres have been carried out with machetes. If you've got your mind made up to do it you can find something to accomplish the task. A couple of references: for the U.S. see http://tinyurl.com/yb98o45z and for the effects of the Australian gun ban see http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/c...00/cfi095.html Indeed. I linked earlier to machine gun ownership by State but post-WWII incidents of one used in a crime or against a human at all are vanishingly rare[1]. Frank's Ohio is awash in machine gun owners for example and yet, like most firearms owners, another day has passed uneventfully. Speaking of propaganda, the blathering media speaks of firearm deaths by lumping suicide & accidental discharge in with other crime. Like a stopped clock, even The Old Red Lady gets this right once in a while: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/u...-suicides.html [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZg4mcYkIwU -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 12/10/2017 8:32 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/11/2017 8:52 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 15:25:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/11/2017 6:23 AM, Duane wrote: Nobody is stupid enough to think all 11 speed CF bikes are useful only for TDF riders.Â*Â* Both 11 speed and CF frames are pretty much the standard offering at most bike shops around here. Of course, people are allowed to buy what they prefer. But I see that "standard offering at most bike shops" as somewhat weird. Think about it. Most people who go into most bike shops are never going to race. Most are almost never going to try to ride fast. But it sounds like that "standard offering" is optimized for fast riding in many ways. I know some CF 11-speed bikes make it possible to (say) fit racks and fenders and lights and decent-sized bags and wider tires and low gears. But if your shops are like ours, the ones that have 11 speed CF as "standard" tend to reject those ideas. "28mm tires? Sorry, not on these bikes. The brakes won't allow them." That's what a friend of mine heard. People are allowed to buy what they prefer. But I think a lot of people are convinced to "prefer" something that's ill-suited to their real world riding. While I agree with you in principal I wonder but what the bike shops aren't offering "what sells". At the shop I usually patronize I have often seen the sales people suggesting a sort of mundane middle of the range bike to people who quite obviously do not have any idea what they are doing and almost universally the buyer will say something like "Oh, only 9 gears? But that one has 11". I wonder whether Andrew might comment here? When you completely understand retail psychology, write me a letter please. No one else does. For every hypothesis, there a many examples and many counterexamples. Which is good. People are not widgets, they are actors driven by complex sometimes illogical meatware. What I do know is that any business with stock merchandise their clientele doesn't buy is not long for this world. I thought we were talking about road bikes. Those are mostly 11 speed CF around here except for some lower end offerings such as Specialized Secteur. My LBS sells hybrids, MTBs etc. as well. |
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On 10/12/2017 7:54 AM, Duane wrote:
On 12/10/2017 8:32 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 10/11/2017 8:52 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 15:25:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/11/2017 6:23 AM, Duane wrote: Nobody is stupid enough to think all 11 speed CF bikes are useful only for TDF riders.  Both 11 speed and CF frames are pretty much the standard offering at most bike shops around here. Of course, people are allowed to buy what they prefer. But I see that "standard offering at most bike shops" as somewhat weird. Think about it. Most people who go into most bike shops are never going to race. Most are almost never going to try to ride fast. But it sounds like that "standard offering" is optimized for fast riding in many ways. I know some CF 11-speed bikes make it possible to (say) fit racks and fenders and lights and decent-sized bags and wider tires and low gears. But if your shops are like ours, the ones that have 11 speed CF as "standard" tend to reject those ideas. "28mm tires? Sorry, not on these bikes. The brakes won't allow them." That's what a friend of mine heard. People are allowed to buy what they prefer. But I think a lot of people are convinced to "prefer" something that's ill-suited to their real world riding. While I agree with you in principal I wonder but what the bike shops aren't offering "what sells". At the shop I usually patronize I have often seen the sales people suggesting a sort of mundane middle of the range bike to people who quite obviously do not have any idea what they are doing and almost universally the buyer will say something like "Oh, only 9 gears? But that one has 11". I wonder whether Andrew might comment here? When you completely understand retail psychology, write me a letter please. No one else does. For every hypothesis, there a many examples and many counterexamples. Which is good. People are not widgets, they are actors driven by complex sometimes illogical meatware. What I do know is that any business with stock merchandise their clientele doesn't buy is not long for this world. I thought we were talking about road bikes. Those are mostly 11 speed CF around here except for some lower end offerings such as Specialized Secteur. My LBS sells hybrids, MTBs etc. as well. Really? My most popular models are 2x8 and 2x9 this year. Carbon fork aluminum frame Bianchis. Up slightly to $700 & $950 for 2018 http://www.bianchiusa.com/bikes/road...nirone-claris/ http://www.bianchiusa.com/bikes/road...a-nirone-sora/ p.s. 44cm frame size very popular in this model: http://www.bianchiusa.com/bikes/road...one-dama-sora/ Not that we eschew CF or 2x11 (we don't), but there's less unit volume at higher prices just like everything else and it's split up among CF race bikes, wider clearance CF models, steel (especially premium USA) models of various styles and gearing etc etc. Single fixed is way down, dammit. That party's over I think. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 12/10/2017 9:11 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/12/2017 7:54 AM, Duane wrote: On 12/10/2017 8:32 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 10/11/2017 8:52 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 15:25:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/11/2017 6:23 AM, Duane wrote: Nobody is stupid enough to think all 11 speed CF bikes are useful only for TDF riders. ÂÂ* Both 11 speed and CF frames are pretty much the standard offering at most bike shops around here. Of course, people are allowed to buy what they prefer. But I see that "standard offering at most bike shops" as somewhat weird. Think about it. Most people who go into most bike shops are never going to race. Most are almost never going to try to ride fast. But it sounds like that "standard offering" is optimized for fast riding in many ways. I know some CF 11-speed bikes make it possible to (say) fit racks and fenders and lights and decent-sized bags and wider tires and low gears. But if your shops are like ours, the ones that have 11 speed CF as "standard" tend to reject those ideas. "28mm tires? Sorry, not on these bikes. The brakes won't allow them." That's what a friend of mine heard. People are allowed to buy what they prefer. But I think a lot of people are convinced to "prefer" something that's ill-suited to their real world riding. While I agree with you in principal I wonder but what the bike shops aren't offering "what sells". At the shop I usually patronize I have often seen the sales people suggesting a sort of mundane middle of the range bike to people who quite obviously do not have any idea what they are doing and almost universally the buyer will say something like "Oh, only 9 gears? But that one has 11". I wonder whether Andrew might comment here? When you completely understand retail psychology, write me a letter please. No one else does. For every hypothesis, there a many examples and many counterexamples. Which is good. People are not widgets, they are actors driven by complex sometimes illogical meatware. What I do know is that any business with stock merchandise their clientele doesn't buy is not long for this world. I thought we were talking about road bikes.Â* Those are mostly 11 speed CF around here except for some lower end offerings such as Specialized Secteur.Â* My LBS sells hybrids, MTBs etc. as well. Really? My most popular models are 2x8 and 2x9 this year. Carbon fork aluminum frame Bianchis. Up slightly to $700 & $950 for 2018 http://www.bianchiusa.com/bikes/road...nirone-claris/ http://www.bianchiusa.com/bikes/road...a-nirone-sora/ p.s. 44cm frame size very popular in this model: http://www.bianchiusa.com/bikes/road...one-dama-sora/ Not that we eschew CF or 2x11 (we don't), but there's less unit volume at higher prices just like everything else and it's split up among CF race bikes, wider clearance CF models, steel (especially premium USA) models of various styles and gearing etc etc. Single fixed is way down, dammit. That party's over I think. I can only speak for the shop I use. The have started selling a local brand called DaVinci which likely has some models like you're describing. For some reason it's hard to find Bianchi around Montreal. My intention when buying a road bike initially was to get a Bianchi as I was happy with my Volpe. Couldn't really find one here. |
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On 10/12/2017 8:22 AM, Duane wrote:
On 12/10/2017 9:11 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 10/12/2017 7:54 AM, Duane wrote: On 12/10/2017 8:32 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 10/11/2017 8:52 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 15:25:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/11/2017 6:23 AM, Duane wrote: Nobody is stupid enough to think all 11 speed CF bikes are useful only for TDF riders.  Both 11 speed and CF frames are pretty much the standard offering at most bike shops around here. Of course, people are allowed to buy what they prefer. But I see that "standard offering at most bike shops" as somewhat weird. Think about it. Most people who go into most bike shops are never going to race. Most are almost never going to try to ride fast. But it sounds like that "standard offering" is optimized for fast riding in many ways. I know some CF 11-speed bikes make it possible to (say) fit racks and fenders and lights and decent-sized bags and wider tires and low gears. But if your shops are like ours, the ones that have 11 speed CF as "standard" tend to reject those ideas. "28mm tires? Sorry, not on these bikes. The brakes won't allow them." That's what a friend of mine heard. People are allowed to buy what they prefer. But I think a lot of people are convinced to "prefer" something that's ill-suited to their real world riding. While I agree with you in principal I wonder but what the bike shops aren't offering "what sells". At the shop I usually patronize I have often seen the sales people suggesting a sort of mundane middle of the range bike to people who quite obviously do not have any idea what they are doing and almost universally the buyer will say something like "Oh, only 9 gears? But that one has 11". I wonder whether Andrew might comment here? When you completely understand retail psychology, write me a letter please. No one else does. For every hypothesis, there a many examples and many counterexamples. Which is good. People are not widgets, they are actors driven by complex sometimes illogical meatware. What I do know is that any business with stock merchandise their clientele doesn't buy is not long for this world. I thought we were talking about road bikes. Those are mostly 11 speed CF around here except for some lower end offerings such as Specialized Secteur. My LBS sells hybrids, MTBs etc. as well. Really? My most popular models are 2x8 and 2x9 this year. Carbon fork aluminum frame Bianchis. Up slightly to $700 & $950 for 2018 http://www.bianchiusa.com/bikes/road...nirone-claris/ http://www.bianchiusa.com/bikes/road...a-nirone-sora/ p.s. 44cm frame size very popular in this model: http://www.bianchiusa.com/bikes/road...one-dama-sora/ Not that we eschew CF or 2x11 (we don't), but there's less unit volume at higher prices just like everything else and it's split up among CF race bikes, wider clearance CF models, steel (especially premium USA) models of various styles and gearing etc etc. Single fixed is way down, dammit. That party's over I think. I can only speak for the shop I use. The have started selling a local brand called DaVinci which likely has some models like you're describing. For some reason it's hard to find Bianchi around Montreal. My intention when buying a road bike initially was to get a Bianchi as I was happy with my Volpe. Couldn't really find one here. Yeah that's really wack now- every country is separate. Bianchi Japan is a real outlier for creativity and oddities. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 6:56:07 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 6:38:14 AM UTC-7, wrote: snip The link is just a product page on the Specialized site. Is there a report of the S-Works McLaren Di2s breaking at the bottom bracket? Sure glad I didn't buy one -- at $11,500. There were no reports that I have seen. I reported that I saw two Treks crack near the bottom brackets. I assume that since most of these CF bikes come out of two factories that they all have more or less the same problems. I went into a Specialized shop yesterday and what looks like a brace between the two tubes is nothing more than some sort of odd plastic cover. I have no idea what it is there for or why. But you are quite correct that the prices of bikes and component groups are entirely out of hand. This is why most high end bikes these days are going with the moderately priced Ultegra group. |
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On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 11:52:35 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-10-11 10:46, jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 9:47:14 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: snip But you use the word "be obliged". Be obligated by who? By the law. Just like if you build a structure that impedes your neighbor's access to his house you are obliged to accommodate him. A brilliant lawyer I know litigated that issue: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/rex-b...b_3861490.html https://www.leagle.com/decision/19951583891p2d69211571 You need a law to start with, however. Joerg needs to go to his legislature. It's not a long ride to Sacramento -- and mostly on the American River Trail. We simply vote with our feet (the pedaling ones). Some communities do nothing. Others where the leaders are smart require any new road construction to have bicycling facilities. Folsom is an example. Therefore, I spend more of my money in such communities than in the ones without smart leaders. Many others think the same way and the results are mostly felt by restaurants and pubs. For me it's also hardware stores and such. There is a semi-major road near us that just did a really odd thing. They converted the road from a four lane barrier divided road to a two lane road with the CENTER LANES turned into a cross-hatch white line. This is a commonly used bicycle route and they did not add a bicycle lane. |
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