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Evening Standard on cyclists' deaths
Anyone see this yesterday? Pretty good article, it showed the dodgiest
junctions in London for cyclists and mentioned stiffer penalties for killer drivers. 24 cyclists killed in the last year in London, half of them by left-turning lorries like the one that killed the girl in Fulham last week. She was stationary at the lights, the lorry pulled up, swung left, and killed her. remember in roadside checks half of all the lorries using our roads were deemed to dangerous to continue the journey... |
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. remember in roadside checks half of all the lorries using our roads were deemed to dangerous to continue the journey... And the source of statistics supporting this assertion is?........ |
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vernon wrote: . remember in roadside checks half of all the lorries using our roads were deemed to dangerous to continue the journey... And the source of statistics supporting this assertion is?........ Half of lorries fail safety test. Half of all vehicles stopped in an operation to identify dangerous lorries had fallen foul of safety regulations. Police and officers from Customs and Excise and the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency stopped 322 HGVs on roads in the South West last week. Two drivers were arrested, one for disqualified driving and another was wanted for other offences. Police said they used intelligence to target operators they suspected of committing offences. Mechanical defects found in 24 vehicles meant they were ordered off the road immediately. 'Cause for concern' A further 23 were given a prohibition for less serious maintenance defects and given time to put them right. Twenty one of the lorries checked were found to be overweight to such an extent that they were stopped from driving further. http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolpda/ukfs_ne...00/3834553.stm How conscientious do you think lorry drivers are about cyclists when in a spot check half of all lorries failed basic safety checks? The weekend before last: Find driver who hit our son THE parents of a Harlow College student left fighting for his life after a hit-and-run accident have appealed for help to find the lorry driver responsible. James Tredgett (16) was struck by a metal panel protruding from the side of a flat-bed truck as he rode to college on his moped. The youngster, from North Weald, suffered severe head injuries after being knocked off his bike. He was taken to Princess Alexandra Hospital before being transferred to Oldchurch Hospital in Romford where he remains unconscious and in a critical but stable condition. http://www.herts-essex-news.co.uk/ne...0our%20son.lpf Smash open a young lad's skull and drive off. Nice. And sometimes it's worse than half of all lorries being death traps: A roadside spot check in July of 63 foreign lorries showed 41 were not totally roadworthy of which 18 were required to be detained. In another initiative the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (VOSA) checked 802 vehicles and 352 were found to be in a poor state. Of the 520 drivers checked, one in four were found to be on the road longer than is allowed. http://www.injurywatch.co.uk/news-an...idents-2196551 |
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spindrift brought next idea :
This: Police said they used intelligence to target operators they suspected of committing offences. Does not support this: half of all lorries failed basic safety checks? -- Simon |
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"spindrift" wrote in message oups.com... vernon wrote: . remember in roadside checks half of all the lorries using our roads were deemed to dangerous to continue the journey... And the source of statistics supporting this assertion is?........ http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolpda/ukfs_ne...00/3834553.stm The article does not support your sweeping assertion: * The operation was regional, not national. * It was an intelligence led operation which targeted companies/owners and drivers known to be likely offenders. * The story is over two years old and might not reflect state of affairs in the South West or anywhere else for that matter. |
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Simon D wrote: spindrift brought next idea : This: Police said they used intelligence to target operators they suspected of committing offences. Does not support this: half of all lorries failed basic safety checks? -- Simon Here's a more recent sample: At the end of March the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (VOSA) took part in a multi agency check in Spalding, Lincolnshire. The check was set up by Lincolnshire Police in response to the growing number of fatal and serious injury road accidents involving minibuses that carry foreign workers. VOSA enforcement officers examined 37 vehicles during the check. Of the 37 vehicles 15 defective vehicles were issued with prohibition notices - 80% of which meant immediate prohibition from driving the vehicle - on safety critical systems such as braking systems, steering and suspension systems and tyres. As a result of the check six minibus operators were also reported for operating without the required operator's licence. A large number of vehicles were also impounded by the Police and the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) for failing to demonstrate vehicle insurance and/or Vehicle Excise Duty. http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/newseven...vehicl es.htm That's around forty per cent of lorries being driven on the roads qualifying for immediate removeal. Room for complacency? I don't think so. More than half again: Mermaid nets unsafe lorries From the Lancashire Evening Telegraph, first published Wednesday 26th Jan 2000. MORE than half the commercial vehicles targeted by Lancashire police in the nationally co-ordinated Operation Mermaid were found to be defective. Police stopped 113 heavy and light goods vehicles last Thursday on the motorway network and in the Samlesbury, Blackburn, Fleetwood and Heysham areas. They ordered 27 vehicles off the road immediately and handed out 28 warning notices, 10 defect notices, and also uncovered benefit fraud, a stolen vehicle, and tachograph offences. http://archive.thisislancashire.co.u...26/743740.html What's going on? Why are these nutcases allowed on the roads? "Almost half" a worryingly common phrase: Police slam 'complacent' HGV operators The safety of road users is being "seriously compromised" by hundreds of potentially deadly lorries and trucks on Britain's roads, police have claimed. Road safety was being put at risk by a "large proportion" of heavy goods vehicle operators who have a complacent attitude toward maintenance and driver behaviour, the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) said. In a nationwide crackdown last month, police forces stopped almost 1,800 HGVs, around 300 of them from overseas. Officers found that almost half either had safety defects - often with tyres or brakes - or had drivers committing offences, such as working more than their safe limit of hours. Of the 842 vehicles found with offences, 236 were so unsafe that they were immediately taken off the road, while a further 177 received "delayed prohibitions". Almost two in five of the unsafe vehicles had brake defects, while a quarter had unsafe tyres. http://www.nu-riskservices.co.uk/new...94732554_1.htm Bad enough, how about 2 out of 3? Monday, 25 September 2006, 13:22 GMT 14:22 UK Lorries stopped in safety checks A crackdown on lorries breaching safety rules found that two in three heavy goods vehicles had defects or had over-run their legal driving hours. Northamptonshire Police checked 26 vehicles on Friday off the M1 at Crick. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/n...re/5378604.stm The HGV safety record is appalling, but I guess all these reports are unrepresentative... |
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spindrift wrote:
Anyone see this yesterday? Pretty good article, it showed the dodgiest junctions in London for cyclists and mentioned stiffer penalties for killer drivers. 24 cyclists killed in the last year in London, half of them by left-turning lorries like the one that killed the girl in Fulham last week. She was stationary at the lights, the lorry pulled up, swung left, and killed her. remember in roadside checks half of all the lorries using our roads were deemed to dangerous to continue the journey... I don't know if it approved technique or not, but at left turn junctions like that, if I'm at the front (or even in the line) I stop in the middle of the lane to prevent anyone doing what the lorry did - ie I'm in front and he cannot cut across me. pk |
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vernon wrote: "spindrift" wrote in message oups.com... vernon wrote: . remember in roadside checks half of all the lorries using our roads were deemed to dangerous to continue the journey... And the source of statistics supporting this assertion is?........ http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolpda/ukfs_ne...00/3834553.stm The article does not support your sweeping assertion: * The operation was regional, not national. * It was an intelligence led operation which targeted companies/owners and drivers known to be likely offenders. * The story is over two years old and might not reflect state of affairs in the South West or anywhere else for that matter. vernon, please see the Norwich Union and BBC Northamptonshire stories above. |
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spindrift wrote on 27/10/2006 08:58 +0100:
vernon wrote: . remember in roadside checks half of all the lorries using our roads were deemed to dangerous to continue the journey... And the source of statistics supporting this assertion is?........ Half of lorries fail safety test. Half of all vehicles stopped in an operation to identify dangerous lorries had fallen foul of safety regulations. I'm no fan of lorries but your data nowhere near supports your assertion that "half of all the lorries using our roads were deemed to dangerous to continue the journey" First the police were targeting operators who were suspected of offences - that's a bit like saying most of the UK population are drug addicts based on arrests in a raid on a drug den. Next they stopped 322 vehicles. Now I count 45 were not allowed to continue, 24 for defects and 21 for overweight. A further 23 were allowed to continue provided they agreed to fix the faults. So while half "failed a safety test" only 14% were "deemed to dangerous to continue the journey" - and that out of a targeted population. How conscientious do you think lorry drivers are about cyclists when in a spot check half of all lorries failed basic safety checks? I suspect almost all bicycles would fail a safety test - reflectors on the bike would fail most of them. Mine certainly would because I have no reflectors on my clipless pedals. Does that make me reckless as a cyclist? Failing a safety test on a lorry can cover a whole load of similar minor issues of no relevance to the driver's concientiousness as well as major issues like defective brakes and overloading. -- Tony "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using his intelligence; he is just using his memory." - Leonardo da Vinci |
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spindrift wrote on 27/10/2006 09:31 +0100:
At the end of March the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (VOSA) took part in a multi agency check in Spalding, Lincolnshire. The check was set up by Lincolnshire Police in response to the growing number of fatal and serious injury road accidents involving minibuses that carry foreign workers. That's around forty per cent of lorries being driven on the roads qualifying for immediate removeal. Lorries? ITYM Minibuses MORE than half the commercial vehicles targeted by Lancashire police in the nationally co-ordinated Operation Mermaid were found to be defective. Police stopped 113 heavy and light goods vehicles last Thursday on the motorway network and in the Samlesbury, Blackburn, Fleetwood and Heysham areas. Do you think that 113 represents all the heavy and light goods vehicles that passed their checkpoints on the motorway and other places or do you think that "targeted" might mean they preferentially pulled over the 113 that looked most likely to have problems while a much larger number were allowed on their way without being stopped? -- Tony "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using his intelligence; he is just using his memory." - Leonardo da Vinci |
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