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Old June 15th 12, 07:54 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
Doug[_10_]
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Default Police not always sure which powers of arrest they are using.

Which means of course they have plenty of powers of arrest from which
they can pick and choose. Police often use arrest as a form of extra-
judicial punishment and presumably, without a court hearing, the
arrestee must be innocent? BTW, it was Critical Mass 'style' protest.

"A critical mass was held on Wednesday against the EDO arms factory.
Cyclists converged on the level and then rode into town.

First stop was Barclays Bank on North Street, a service provider to
ITT Exelis, EDO's parent company. A short picket was held. The mass
progressed up to the clocktower and along Queen's Road and London Road
and held another picket of Barclay at Preston Circus.

The mass then started the long slog up the Lewes Road to ITT Exelis
where a noise demonstration was held at the factory gates. One crap
arrest was made for obstruct police at the factory. The arresting
officer told us that he was sure he had the power to arrest he just
wasn't sure "which one yet". Police also nicked a sound system.

The arrestee was released on police bail at 1.30am.

The arrest today is part of an escalation of policing in the last week
or so outside EDO. We need your support. We will be outside the
factory, remembering the dead from Somaila to Yemen to Afghanistan,
Next Wednesday from 4-6pm - we need your support."

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/06/497077.html

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Old June 15th 12, 08:32 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
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Default Police not always sure which powers of arrest they are using.

Doug wrote:
Which means of course they have plenty of powers of arrest from which
they can pick and choose. Police often use arrest as a form of extra-
judicial punishment and presumably, without a court hearing, the
arrestee must be innocent?


Arrests are sometimes made to ensure the prompt and efficient investigation
of a crime. The person arrested may be guilty of an offence, they may be
released despite being guilty of an offence. Release is not proof of
innocence.


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Old June 15th 12, 08:33 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Police not always sure which powers of arrest they are using.

Doug wrote:

morecrap nothing to do with cycling.


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Old June 15th 12, 09:04 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
Doug[_10_]
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Default Police not always sure which powers of arrest they are using.

On Jun 15, 8:32*am, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Doug wrote:
Which means of course they have plenty of powers of arrest from which
they can pick and choose. Police often use arrest as a form of extra-
judicial punishment and presumably, without a court hearing, the
arrestee must be innocent?


Arrests are sometimes made to ensure the prompt and efficient investigation
of a crime.*The person arrested may be guilty of an offence, they may be
released despite being guilty of an offence. *Release is not proof of
innocence.

They don't have to arrest someone to merely question them.

How can a person who has not been found guilty not be innocent? Why
should the police alone be allowed to establish guilt without any
court hearing and which police underling is allowed to decide anyway?

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Old June 15th 12, 09:09 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
Dave - Cyclists VOR
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Default Police not always sure which powers of arrest they are using.

On 15/06/2012 07:54, Doug wrote:
Which means of course they have plenty of powers of arrest from which
they can pick and choose. Police often use arrest as a form of extra-
judicial punishment and presumably, without a court hearing, the
arrestee must be innocent? BTW, it was Critical Mass 'style' protest.


As long as they arrest the scum who cares how they do it?

Shame they didn't use water cannon on the *******s.

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Old June 15th 12, 09:12 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
Norman Wells[_11_]
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Default Police not always sure which powers of arrest they are using.

Mrcheerful wrote:
Doug wrote:
Which means of course they have plenty of powers of arrest from which
they can pick and choose. Police often use arrest as a form of extra-
judicial punishment and presumably, without a court hearing, the
arrestee must be innocent?


Arrests are sometimes made to ensure the prompt and efficient
investigation of a crime. The person arrested may be guilty of an
offence, they may be released despite being guilty of an offence.
Release is not proof of innocence.


Doug doesn't want any of them to be released though. He wants all of
them to be charged, prosecuted and tried. He's not as liberal as you
and me.

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Old June 15th 12, 09:32 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
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Default Police not always sure which powers of arrest they are using.

On 15/06/2012 09:04, Doug wrote:
On Jun 15, 8:32 am, wrote:
Doug wrote:
Which means of course they have plenty of powers of arrest from which
they can pick and choose. Police often use arrest as a form of extra-
judicial punishment and presumably, without a court hearing, the
arrestee must be innocent?


Arrests are sometimes made to ensure the prompt and efficient investigation
of a crime. The person arrested may be guilty of an offence, they may be
released despite being guilty of an offence. Release is not proof of
innocence.

They don't have to arrest someone to merely question them.

How can a person who has not been found guilty not be innocent?


"Fred West is still innocent", eh?
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Old June 15th 12, 09:33 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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Default Police not always sure which powers of arrest they are using.

On 15/06/2012 09:09, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:

On 15/06/2012 07:54, Doug wrote:


Which means of course they have plenty of powers of arrest from which
they can pick and choose. Police often use arrest as a form of extra-
judicial punishment and presumably, without a court hearing, the
arrestee must be innocent? BTW, it was Critical Mass 'style' protest.


As long as they arrest the scum who cares how they do it?
Shame they didn't use water cannon on the *******s.


Don't forget the soap.
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Old June 15th 12, 09:35 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
Norman Wells[_11_]
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Default Police not always sure which powers of arrest they are using.

Doug wrote:

Which means


What means? Have I missed something?

of course they have plenty of powers of arrest from which
they can pick and choose.


If criminals commit multiple crimes, there are multiple charges that can
be brought against them. It goes with the territory.

Police often use arrest as a form of extra-
judicial punishment and presumably, without a court hearing, the
arrestee must be innocent?


No, he can quite likely be guilty. That's what the justice system,
beginning with arrest, is there to determine.

BTW, it was Critical Mass 'style' protest.


So?

"A critical mass was held on Wednesday against the EDO arms factory.
Cyclists converged on the level and then rode into town.

First stop was Barclays Bank on North Street,


Did they try to go in with their bikes as your earlier video from London
showed? Or did they just need the cashpoint?

a service provider to
ITT Exelis, EDO's parent company. A short picket was held. The mass
progressed up to the clocktower and along Queen's Road and London Road
and held another picket of Barclay at Preston Circus.

The mass then started the long slog up the Lewes Road to ITT Exelis
where a noise demonstration was held at the factory gates. One crap
arrest was made for obstruct police at the factory. The arresting
officer told us that he was sure he had the power to arrest he just
wasn't sure "which one yet".


That may be what he told 'us', but I doubt very much if that's what he
told the person he arrested who, it seems to be known, was arrested 'for
obstruct police at the factory' (sic).

Is there a point being made here, Doug, or is it just the usual
illiterate ravings we've come to expect from indymedia?

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Old June 15th 12, 09:39 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
Norman Wells[_11_]
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Default Police not always sure which powers of arrest they are using.

Doug wrote:
On Jun 15, 8:32 am, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Doug wrote:
Which means of course they have plenty of powers of arrest from
which they can pick and choose. Police often use arrest as a form
of extra- judicial punishment and presumably, without a court
hearing, the arrestee must be innocent?


Arrests are sometimes made to ensure the prompt and efficient
investigation of a crime. The person arrested may be guilty of an
offence, they may be released despite being guilty of an offence.
Release is not proof of innocence.

They don't have to arrest someone to merely question them.

How can a person who has not been found guilty not be innocent?


Oh, that's an easy one. He may have done it.

Why
should the police alone be allowed to establish guilt without any
court hearing and which police underling is allowed to decide anyway?


They don't of course. Establishing guilt is the prerogative of the
court. What the police do is investigate and bring charges.

 




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