Will they ever make a bicycle with both left hand and right hand drives?

Something bicycle related to contemplate as we are innundated with the Monkey's spam.

In the search for yet more closer spaced gears o you think they will ever build bicycles with both a right hand drive and a left hand drive? A friend and I were discussing the possibility of this with one drive having gears suitable for gently rolling terrain and the other side having a drive with low gears suitable for climbing steep inclines.

We were discussing some of Sheldon's multiple gears in excess of thirty three gears when we thought about a bicycle with two drives. It's more the ideathat some one somwhere will offer such a setup and tout it as the latest and greatest thing that got us wondering. Do you think it'll ever happen? I know that left hand drives exist or existed at one time. I figure that a simple clutch-like mechanism could be designed to fit inside the bottom bracket shell to allow one to switch from right hand high normal gears to left hand super low gears. This way they could have a lot more gears without having to spread the rear triangle ridiculously wide.

Comments?

Cheers

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:41:30 -0700 (PDT)
wrote:

Something bicycle related to contemplate as we are innundated with the Monkey's spam.

In the search for yet more closer spaced gears o you think they will
ever build bicycles with both a right hand drive and a left hand
drive? A friend and I were discussing the possibility of this with one
drive having gears suitable for gently rolling terrain and the other
side having a drive with low gears suitable for climbing steep
inclines.

It was done over 100 years ago. Now I've got to spend a day going
through Sharp, and Duncan. No, fukit, get yourself a copy of this:
http://www.amazon.com/Bicycles-Tricy.../dp/0486429873

..... it's in there.


Every damn "new" "innovation" that the bicycle industry can up with is
in there.

The ones that aren't get banned by the UCI.


You're right about monkeys though.

Mike

On Aug 11, 4:41*pm, wrote:
Something bicycle related to contemplate as we are innundated with the Monkey's spam.

In the search for yet more closer spaced gears o you think they will ever build bicycles with both a right hand drive and a left hand drive? A friend and I were discussing the possibility of this with one drive having gears suitable for gently rolling terrain and the other side having a drive with low gears suitable for climbing steep inclines.

We were discussing some of Sheldon's multiple gears in excess of thirty three gears when we thought about a bicycle with two drives. It's more the ideathat some one somwhere will offer such a setup and tout it as the latest and greatest thing that got us wondering. Do you think it'll ever happen? I know that left hand drives exist or existed at one time. I figure that a simple clutch-like mechanism could be designed to fit inside the bottom bracket shell to allow one to switch from right hand high normal gears to left hand super low gears. This way they could have a lot more gears without having to spread the rear triangle ridiculously wide.

Comments?

First, I think few people really need more gears than what's available
from common derailleur systems. Second, if you really needed them, I
think there would be a better way to get them than a two-sided drive
system.

The two things one needs from a gearing system is adequate range
(highest to lowest) and suitably small increments between gears.
Those are both available now via regular derailleur systems, or via a
Rohloff, if you have over a thousand bucks to spend just on gears.

My touring bike's derailleur gears give me a range of 530%, which is a
little more than a Rohloff's 14 speed range. I get roughly 10%
increments through most of my range, which is fine for me. Rohloff
users seem happy with about 13% increments. Performance riders seem
to want closer increments, but they seldom want anywhere near that
range.

If I wanted super-close increments between gears plus a super-wide
range, I think I'd look into mating a standard derailleur set with a
wide ratio 3-speed hub gear - and that's old technology. I remember
riding with one guy that had that back in the 1970s.

Major benefit compared to the dual-side plan? Chain marks are only on
one leg! ;-)

- Frank Krygowski

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:41:30 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

In the search for yet more closer spaced gears o you think they will ever
build bicycles with both a right hand drive and a left hand drive?

No. You'll have to build it yourself.

What`s the most gears you can get on a bicycle?
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070923142751AAn1mcu

What might be amusing is to machine a hub with threads or cartridge
splines for a 2nd freewheel on the left side. It would have gears
optimized for hill climbing, while the regular freewheel would be
optimized for the flats. When you want to change topography, just
remove the wheel, flip it around, re-wrap the chain, and take off.

Going the other direction, here's one for the next degeneration of
fixie bicycles:
http://balancedview.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/all-gone-south/
One gear, no chain. Less is better.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:41:30 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Something bicycle related to contemplate as we are innundated with the Monkey's spam.

In the search for yet more closer spaced gears o you think they will ever build bicycles with both a right hand drive and a left hand drive? A friend and I were discussing the possibility of this with one drive having gears suitable for gently rolling terrain and the other side having a drive with low gears suitable for climbing steep inclines.

We were discussing some of Sheldon's multiple gears in excess of thirty three gears when we thought about a bicycle with two drives. It's more the ideathat some one somwhere will offer such a setup and tout it as the latest and greatest thing that got us wondering. Do you think it'll ever happen? I know that left hand drives exist or existed at one time. I figure that a simple clutch-like mechanism could be designed to fit inside the bottom bracket shell to allow one to switch from right hand high normal gears to left hand super low gears. This way they could have a lot more gears without having to spread the rear triangle ridiculously wide.

Comments?

Cheers

Sturmey-Archer was building a 3 speed rear hub some 90 years ago. Why
"re-invent the wheel" in order to get one less speed?
Cheers,
John B.

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:25:59 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Aug 11, 4:41*pm, wrote:
Something bicycle related to contemplate as we are innundated with the Monkey's spam.

In the search for yet more closer spaced gears o you think they will ever build bicycles with both a right hand drive and a left hand drive? A friend and I were discussing the possibility of this with one drive having gears suitable for gently rolling terrain and the other side having a drive with low gears suitable for climbing steep inclines.

We were discussing some of Sheldon's multiple gears in excess of thirty three gears when we thought about a bicycle with two drives. It's more the ideathat some one somwhere will offer such a setup and tout it as the latest and greatest thing that got us wondering. Do you think it'll ever happen? I know that left hand drives exist or existed at one time. I figure that a simple clutch-like mechanism could be designed to fit inside the bottom bracket shell to allow one to switch from right hand high normal gears to left hand super low gears. This way they could have a lot more gears without having to spread the rear triangle ridiculously wide.

Comments?

First, I think few people really need more gears than what's available
from common derailleur systems. Second, if you really needed them, I
think there would be a better way to get them than a two-sided drive
system.

The two things one needs from a gearing system is adequate range
(highest to lowest) and suitably small increments between gears.
Those are both available now via regular derailleur systems, or via a
Rohloff, if you have over a thousand bucks to spend just on gears.

My touring bike's derailleur gears give me a range of 530%, which is a
little more than a Rohloff's 14 speed range. I get roughly 10%
increments through most of my range, which is fine for me. Rohloff
users seem happy with about 13% increments. Performance riders seem
to want closer increments, but they seldom want anywhere near that
range.

If I wanted super-close increments between gears plus a super-wide
range, I think I'd look into mating a standard derailleur set with a
wide ratio 3-speed hub gear - and that's old technology. I remember
riding with one guy that had that back in the 1970s.

Major benefit compared to the dual-side plan? Chain marks are only on
one leg! ;-)

- Frank Krygowski

I can remember when bicycles had only one speed. The really exotic
ones with two speeds just had another sprocket screwed on the rear
hub. Flip the wheel when you get to the mountains :-)
Cheers,
John B.

On Aug 11, 3:41*pm, wrote:
Something bicycle related to contemplate as we are innundated with the Monkey's spam.

In the search for yet more closer spaced gears o you think they will ever build bicycles with both a right hand drive and a left hand drive? A friend and I were discussing the possibility of this with one drive having gears suitable for gently rolling terrain and the other side having a drive with low gears suitable for climbing steep inclines.

We were discussing some of Sheldon's multiple gears in excess of thirty three gears when we thought about a bicycle with two drives. It's more the ideathat some one somwhere will offer such a setup and tout it as the latest and greatest thing that got us wondering. Do you think it'll ever happen? I know that left hand drives exist or existed at one time. I figure that a simple clutch-like mechanism could be designed to fit inside the bottom bracket shell to allow one to switch from right hand high normal gears to left hand super low gears. This way they could have a lot more gears without having to spread the rear triangle ridiculously wide.

First, note that if you have two separate freewheel drivetrains, the
higher geared one will overrun the lower geared one. No fancy BB
clutch required.

Second, how much room do you expect would be left to separate the
flanges of a 130mm hub with a 10 speed cluster on each side?

Chalo

On Saturday, August 11, 2012 4:41:30 PM UTC-4, (unknown) wrote:
Something bicycle related to contemplate as we are innundated with the Monkey's spam.



In the search for yet more closer spaced gears o you think they will ever build bicycles with both a right hand drive and a left hand drive? A friend and I were discussing the possibility of this with one drive having gears suitable for gently rolling terrain and the other side having a drive with low gears suitable for climbing steep inclines.



We were discussing some of Sheldon's multiple gears in excess of thirty three gears when we thought about a bicycle with two drives. It's more the ideathat some one somwhere will offer such a setup and tout it as the latest and greatest thing that got us wondering. Do you think it'll ever happen? I know that left hand drives exist or existed at one time. I figure that a simple clutch-like mechanism could be designed to fit inside the bottom bracket shell to allow one to switch from right hand high normal gears to left hand super low gears. This way they could have a lot more gears without having to spread the rear triangle ridiculously wide.



Comments?



Cheers

What ever happened to that automatic crank? Wasn't there a bicycle crank that automatically adjusted to load by making the crank sprocket larger or smaller?
Seems to me that would be another good solution.

On Aug 11, 1:41 pm, wrote:
Something bicycle related to contemplate as we are innundated with the Monkey's spam.

In the search for yet more closer spaced gears o you think they will ever build bicycles with both a right hand drive and a left hand drive? A friend and I were discussing the possibility of this with one drive having gears suitable for gently rolling terrain and the other side having a drive with low gears suitable for climbing steep inclines.

We were discussing some of Sheldon's multiple gears in excess of thirty three gears when we thought about a bicycle with two drives. It's more the ideathat some one somwhere will offer such a setup and tout it as the latest and greatest thing that got us wondering. Do you think it'll ever happen? I know that left hand drives exist or existed at one time. I figure that a simple clutch-like mechanism could be designed to fit inside the bottom bracket shell to allow one to switch from right hand high normal gears to left hand super low gears. This way they could have a lot more gears without having to spread the rear triangle ridiculously wide.

Comments?


Great! Like I dont' have enough trouble keeping one pantleg out of
the chain!

On 11-8-2012 22:41, wrote:
Something bicycle related to contemplate as we are innundated with the Monkey's spam.

In the search for yet more closer spaced gears o you think they will ever build bicycles with both a right hand drive and a left hand drive? A friend and I were discussing the possibility of this with one drive having gears suitable for gently rolling terrain and the other side having a drive with low gears suitable for climbing steep inclines.

We were discussing some of Sheldon's multiple gears in excess of thirty three gears when we thought about a bicycle with two drives. It's more the ideathat some one somwhere will offer such a setup and tout it as the latest and greatest thing that got us wondering. Do you think it'll ever happen? I know that left hand drives exist or existed at one time. I figure that a simple clutch-like mechanism could be designed to fit inside the bottom bracket shell to allow one to switch from right hand high normal gears to left hand super low gears. This way they could have a lot more gears without having to spread the rear triangle ridiculously wide.

Comments?

Cheers


been tried befo
http://www.cyclingburylancs.com/velocio.htm

Other use was BMX with a loose screw on freewheel, to give a second
ratio a couple of wheelrevolutions after the start

--
/Marten

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