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Old August 30th 19, 09:08 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Yet another cyclist killed. pH (Several, actually)

From the San Jose Mercury News:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/...n-hit-and-run/

It says pedestrian but the article says cyclist. And this was not even the one I was searching for.

Here's the one I was thinking of:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/...ng-boyce-road/


There was an article in the Santa Cruz Sentinel back in May about a cyclist killed around the Davenport area. There was *never* a follow up about who it was or the circumstances around the death--I even called the local radio station to ask that their news department please follow up on it and give us further information as it became available. Nada thus far.

https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/20...-on-highway-1/


If you want to knock off an enemy it seems all you have to do is wait until he's on a bicycle and then run 'im down....doesn't seem as if there are any consequences.

pH in Aptos
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Old August 30th 19, 09:24 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 8/30/2019 3:08 PM, pH wrote:
From the San Jose Mercury News:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/...n-hit-and-run/

It says pedestrian but the article says cyclist. And this was not even the one I was searching for.

Here's the one I was thinking of:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/...ng-boyce-road/


There was an article in the Santa Cruz Sentinel back in May about a cyclist killed around the Davenport area. There was *never* a follow up about who it was or the circumstances around the death--I even called the local radio station to ask that their news department please follow up on it and give us further information as it became available. Nada thus far.

https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/20...-on-highway-1/


If you want to knock off an enemy it seems all you have to do is wait until he's on a bicycle and then run 'im down....doesn't seem as if there are any consequences.

pH in Aptos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNTkF4vdqt0

skip to :30 to see the crash.

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Old September 2nd 19, 02:16 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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Default Yet another cyclist killed. pH (Several, actually)

On Friday, August 30, 2019 at 1:24:36 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/30/2019 3:08 PM, pH wrote:
From the San Jose Mercury News:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/...n-hit-and-run/

It says pedestrian but the article says cyclist. And this was not even the one I was searching for.

Here's the one I was thinking of:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/...ng-boyce-road/


There was an article in the Santa Cruz Sentinel back in May about a cyclist killed around the Davenport area. There was *never* a follow up about who it was or the circumstances around the death--I even called the local radio station to ask that their news department please follow up on it and give us further information as it became available. Nada thus far.

https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/20...-on-highway-1/


If you want to knock off an enemy it seems all you have to do is wait until he's on a bicycle and then run 'im down....doesn't seem as if there are any consequences.

pH in Aptos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNTkF4vdqt0

skip to :30 to see the crash.

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www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


I just came back from that area and today the drivers have been particularly bad taking FAR closer passes than they should. I have to ride on the left hand side of the bike lane because too many people throw open a door without a glance.

Why would drivers with an open left lane not only drive adjacent to bicyclists but as close as they can possibly get: and speeding?
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Old September 2nd 19, 06:58 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Yet another cyclist killed. pH (Several, actually)

On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 18:16:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

Why would drivers with an open left lane not only drive adjacent to
bicyclists but as close as they can possibly get: and speeding?


Aggression towards someone perceived as weaker is a time-honored way to
prop up one's own feelings of power. Chickens, chimpanzees and humans
all do it. It's the basis of bullying in all social interactions, and
best of all bullying is now a socially acceptable activity as
demonstrated by our Furor. Who needs Twitter when you have a ton and a
half of steel at your command and pedestrians and bicyclists to
terrorize?
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Old September 2nd 19, 05:21 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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Default Yet another cyclist killed. pH (Several, actually)

On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 10:58:43 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 18:16:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

Why would drivers with an open left lane not only drive adjacent to
bicyclists but as close as they can possibly get: and speeding?


Aggression towards someone perceived as weaker is a time-honored way to
prop up one's own feelings of power. Chickens, chimpanzees and humans
all do it. It's the basis of bullying in all social interactions, and
best of all bullying is now a socially acceptable activity as
demonstrated by our Furor. Who needs Twitter when you have a ton and a
half of steel at your command and pedestrians and bicyclists to
terrorize?


Only a small amount of this close passing is that I believe. If you stare at someone to attempt to miss them yo automatically drive closer than you would looking at the center line. I think this is the cause, But you would think that after people learn to drive they would stop doing that and they don't. Many of them actually slow up while passing so yo can tell it isn't aggression though four-wheel drive pickups are aggressive but they are so with everyone.
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Old September 2nd 19, 08:29 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
pH
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Default Yet another cyclist killed. pH (Several, actually)

On Monday, September 2, 2019 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 10:58:43 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 18:16:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich il.com
wrote:

Why would drivers with an open left lane not only drive adjacent to
bicyclists but as close as they can possibly get: and speeding?


Aggression towards someone perceived as weaker is a time-honored way to
prop up one's own feelings of power. Chickens, chimpanzees and humans
all do it. It's the basis of bullying in all social interactions, and
best of all bullying is now a socially acceptable activity as
demonstrated by our Furor. Who needs Twitter when you have a ton and a
half of steel at your command and pedestrians and bicyclists to
terrorize?


Only a small amount of this close passing is that I believe. If you stare at someone to attempt to miss them yo automatically drive closer than you would looking at the center line. I think this is the cause, But you would think that after people learn to drive they would stop doing that and they don't. Many of them actually slow up while passing so yo can tell it isn't aggression though four-wheel drive pickups are aggressive but they are so with everyone.



Perhaps that's what it is. I'll bet we've all witnessed that weird effect where occasionally a passing car will veer over the fog line into the "bike lane" (just for sake of the discussion--whether there's a lane there or not) shortly after passing you. Perhaps that's the staring effect. I don't *think* it's on purpose, at least in the usual case, but I sure don't like it. It reminds me of how vulnerable I am to everyone out there doing everything right and not making a mistake.

But the bottom line, of course, is that I'm still doing it. Riding, that is.


I don't know about you guys, but the recent three-foot passing rule passed in California--two years ago, now?--has been next to un-noticable. I seem to get the usual number of daily close-calls and close passings.

I also think motorists don't realize that we really can't use the asphalt/concrete interface area of the gutter since it's so easy to get a tire stuck in the "groove" of the poorly maintained streets around here. Maybe it's better where the rest of you are or maybe I'm getting less tolerant in my cranky years.

pH in Aptos


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Old September 2nd 19, 08:33 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 8:16:30 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, August 30, 2019 at 1:24:36 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/30/2019 3:08 PM, pH wrote:
From the San Jose Mercury News:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/...n-hit-and-run/

It says pedestrian but the article says cyclist. And this was not even the one I was searching for.

Here's the one I was thinking of:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/...ng-boyce-road/


There was an article in the Santa Cruz Sentinel back in May about a cyclist killed around the Davenport area. There was *never* a follow up about who it was or the circumstances around the death--I even called the local radio station to ask that their news department please follow up on it and give us further information as it became available. Nada thus far.

https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/20...-on-highway-1/


If you want to knock off an enemy it seems all you have to do is wait until he's on a bicycle and then run 'im down....doesn't seem as if there are any consequences.

pH in Aptos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNTkF4vdqt0

skip to :30 to see the crash.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


I just came back from that area and today the drivers have been particularly bad taking FAR closer passes than they should. I have to ride on the left hand side of the bike lane because too many people throw open a door without a glance.

Why would drivers with an open left lane not only drive adjacent to bicyclists but as close as they can possibly get: and speeding?


I ride close to the curb as possible too. Or I often ride the sidewalks where it is legal in my state.

It's mainly because of so many distracted and impatient drivers.

Andy
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Old September 8th 19, 06:27 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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Default Yet another cyclist killed. pH (Several, actually)

On Monday, September 2, 2019 at 12:33:55 PM UTC-7, AK wrote:
On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 8:16:30 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, August 30, 2019 at 1:24:36 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/30/2019 3:08 PM, pH wrote:
From the San Jose Mercury News:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/...n-hit-and-run/

It says pedestrian but the article says cyclist. And this was not even the one I was searching for.

Here's the one I was thinking of:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/...ng-boyce-road/


There was an article in the Santa Cruz Sentinel back in May about a cyclist killed around the Davenport area. There was *never* a follow up about who it was or the circumstances around the death--I even called the local radio station to ask that their news department please follow up on it and give us further information as it became available. Nada thus far.

https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/20...-on-highway-1/


If you want to knock off an enemy it seems all you have to do is wait until he's on a bicycle and then run 'im down....doesn't seem as if there are any consequences.

pH in Aptos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNTkF4vdqt0

skip to :30 to see the crash.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


I just came back from that area and today the drivers have been particularly bad taking FAR closer passes than they should. I have to ride on the left hand side of the bike lane because too many people throw open a door without a glance.

Why would drivers with an open left lane not only drive adjacent to bicyclists but as close as they can possibly get: and speeding?


I ride close to the curb as possible too. Or I often ride the sidewalks where it is legal in my state.

It's mainly because of so many distracted and impatient drivers.

Andy


I ride with my outside handlebar overlapping the outer bike lane line. In some cases I take the car lane if there are problems with the bike lane such as roots of trees causing bumps of the lane being filled with leaves so that you can't see dangers such as pot holes or boards of the like.
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Old September 8th 19, 07:09 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 12:27:49 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, September 2, 2019 at 12:33:55 PM UTC-7, AK wrote:
On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 8:16:30 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, August 30, 2019 at 1:24:36 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/30/2019 3:08 PM, pH wrote:
From the San Jose Mercury News:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/...n-hit-and-run/

It says pedestrian but the article says cyclist. And this was not even the one I was searching for.

Here's the one I was thinking of:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/...ng-boyce-road/


There was an article in the Santa Cruz Sentinel back in May about a cyclist killed around the Davenport area. There was *never* a follow up about who it was or the circumstances around the death--I even called the local radio station to ask that their news department please follow up on it and give us further information as it became available. Nada thus far.

https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/20...-on-highway-1/


If you want to knock off an enemy it seems all you have to do is wait until he's on a bicycle and then run 'im down....doesn't seem as if there are any consequences.

pH in Aptos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNTkF4vdqt0

skip to :30 to see the crash.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I just came back from that area and today the drivers have been particularly bad taking FAR closer passes than they should. I have to ride on the left hand side of the bike lane because too many people throw open a door without a glance.

Why would drivers with an open left lane not only drive adjacent to bicyclists but as close as they can possibly get: and speeding?


I ride close to the curb as possible too. Or I often ride the sidewalks where it is legal in my state.

It's mainly because of so many distracted and impatient drivers.

Andy


I ride with my outside handlebar overlapping the outer bike lane line. In some cases I take the car lane if there are problems with the bike lane such as roots of trees causing bumps of the lane being filled with leaves so that you can't see dangers such as pot holes or boards of the like.


I have to dodge a lot of glass both in the bike lane and sidewalk.

We have street cleaners, but are lucky if they come once every couple of months.


Andy
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Old September 8th 19, 08:52 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 9/8/2019 2:09 PM, AK wrote:
On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 12:27:49 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:

I ride with my outside handlebar overlapping the outer bike lane line. In some cases I take the car lane if there are problems with the bike lane such as roots of trees causing bumps of the lane being filled with leaves so that you can't see dangers such as pot holes or boards of the like.


I have to dodge a lot of glass both in the bike lane and sidewalk.

We have street cleaners, but are lucky if they come once every couple of months.


In other words, both Tom and AK are pointing out that bike lanes aren't
the wonderful paradise that so many people claim. Maintenance is often
crappy, debris is common, and around here (as where AK lives) sweeping
of debris is rare.

So riders often ride as close to the stripe as possible. This results in
closer passes than there would be if they removed the damned stripe and
kept the same pavement width. Then the occasional car tires passing over
that rightward section of pavement would sweep debris into the gutter.

"Protected" bike lanes have all that and worse. A city near me installed
a few blocks of that nonsense, then hosted a visit from officials from a
different city. The foreign officials asked "So how do you keep the
pavement clean? Did you buy a special small-scale street sweeper?" The
host city official said something like "Um... we don't know yet."

And as a bonus, bicyclist are hidden far off to the side, out of the
view of motorists. Until, that is, they pop into view in front of the
motorist at an intersection or a driveway. Surprise!!!

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