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Old September 17th 19, 08:21 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 9:19:49 AM UTC-5, wrote:

I hope to replace the Mirage front derailleur and Mirage Ergo levers with 9-speed Veloce ones only because the Veloce are all silver and then I'd have a full 9-speed groupset on that bike.


OK. As long as you know you are doing the change for completely aesthetic reasons. For performance, there ain't no difference. I have Record, Chorus, Centaur, Veloce, and a Mirage part or two on 9 and 10 speed bikes. No difference in performance.
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Old September 17th 19, 08:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 6:26:30 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 1:52:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, September 15, 2019 at 1:48:50 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, September 15, 2019 at 12:31:41 AM UTC-7, Chalo wrote:
They came up with one crappy product that ruined countless bikes, and then they used borrowed money to buy up a bunch of more serious manufacturers and make those products crappier.

I'm not as impressed about that as Forbes is.

Looking at it I cannot see why you would want to pay big bucks for a group that wouldn't only shift one gear at a time. I did a metric yesterday and never got out of the small ring and had to shift at least two gears on every one of the million rollers. With Campy or Shimano that's easy.


Sram red shifts up four at once, the SRAM force shifts up three at once.. Both down only one. I do kind of miss my old Chorus Ergo group that let me shift down three at once, but not enough to justify the cost.


Another thing I don't like about double-tap is it requires too much intelligence. If you're on your last cog and think you've got one cog left and hit the shifter, it drops you down a cog -- kind of the opposite of what you wanted. With Shimano, you're just reminded that there's nothing left -- and that you are old and decrepit and need more cogs. As far as shifting loads of cogs at a time, that's never been a big issue for me. I have a bump-stock on my shifters -- well, fast fingers.

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I rode a SRAM bike once on a North Carolina week long ride. About 60 miles.. SRAM had loner bikes you could ride during the event. So I did. I HATED pushing the double tap lever over a bit and intending to shift to an easier gear, but I did not push it far enough and shifted to a harder gear. Bad. Or wanting to shift to a harder gear, but pushing the lever too far and shifting to an easier gear. Bad. The SRAM shifters are garbage trying to make the same lever and the same pushing action do two opposite shifts.
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Old September 17th 19, 09:45 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 3:21:05 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 9:19:49 AM UTC-5, wrote:

I hope to replace the Mirage front derailleur and Mirage Ergo levers with 9-speed Veloce ones only because the Veloce are all silver and then I'd have a full 9-speed groupset on that bike.


OK. As long as you know you are doing the change for completely aesthetic reasons. For performance, there ain't no difference. I have Record, Chorus, Centaur, Veloce, and a Mirage part or two on 9 and 10 speed bikes. No difference in performance.


I like silver asthetics of the Veloce stuff which is why most of my 9-speed groupset is Veloce. I ONLY bought the two Mirage items because they were a LOT less than the Veloce at the time and I was tight for funds for bicycling stuff. I really don't care for black components unless I were building up a bike for stealth camping or touring and stopping somewhere where I'd want to hide the bike from view whilst I slept.

I'll keep the Mirage components for spares on my touring bike that also has Mirage Ergo 9-speed levers and rear derailleur.

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Old September 17th 19, 10:29 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 7:19:49 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 9:20:44 AM UTC-4, duane wrote:
On 17/09/2019 8:56 a.m., wrote:
On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 7:26:30 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:

Another thing I don't like about double-tap is it requires too
much intelligence. If you're on your last cog and think you've
got one cog left and hit the shifter, it drops you down a cog --
kind of the opposite of what you wanted.

That's an excellent point. I've been bagged by that on a couple of occasions.


Yeah but it's still just a quick click and a "**** me I'm toast" to get
back to where you were. I don't find it a significant issue. But then
again, I'm not climbing the Pyrenees or something.

Like I said, though, I don't really have a preference between SRAM and
Shimano. Both work pretty well. I guess I like the drop three option
when I'm doing hills that are slightly larger than rollers but it's not
a deal breaker.


I REALLY LIKE my 9-Speed Campagnolo Mirage Ergo shifters/brake levers. I can ship up OR down numerous gears with either the rear (for the rear cogs) or with the front for the three chainrings I use with them. The front Ergo is ratchet which means I can fine-tune the shifts to prevent derailleur cage rub and it makes the setup of the shifter a lot quicker and easier too.

I hope to replace the Mirage front derailleur and Mirage Ergo levers with 9-speed Veloce ones only because the Veloce are all silver and then I'd have a full 9-speed groupset on that bike.

I guess we all have different preferences based on our needs, wants, type of riding and length of rides. WHen I've ridden a really long way on my Ergo or barend shifter bike and get quite tired I sometimes reach down to the downtube to shift if I've been riding one of those bikes a lot recently. I have two bikes that have the old Suntour Symmetric shifters on top of the downtube and with those it's really easy to shift BOTH the front and rear derailleurs at the same time with the same hand. Ditto for my Shimano Dura Ace AX shifters also on the top of the downtube.

Cheers


I liked my 9-speed as well but getting parts got tough enough I changed to 10. Now I'm being forced into the 11's.
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Old September 18th 19, 01:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 10:19:49 AM UTC-4, wrote:

I REALLY LIKE my 9-Speed Campagnolo Mirage Ergo shifters/brake levers. I can ship up OR down numerous gears with either the rear (for the rear cogs) or with the front for the three chainrings I use with them.


The front Ergo is ratchet which means I can fine-tune the shifts to
prevent derailleur cage rub and it makes the setup of the shifter a
lot quicker and easier too.


The chainring "fine-tuning" is another thing I miss about the Campy ergo shifters.


I hope to replace the Mirage front derailleur and Mirage Ergo levers with 9-speed Veloce ones only because the Veloce are all silver and then I'd have a full 9-speed groupset on that bike.

I guess we all have different preferences based on our needs, wants, type of riding and length of rides. WHen I've ridden a really long way on my Ergo or barend shifter bike and get quite tired I sometimes reach down to the downtube to shift if I've been riding one of those bikes a lot recently. I have two bikes that have the old Suntour Symmetric shifters on top of the downtube and with those it's really easy to shift BOTH the front and rear derailleurs at the same time with the same hand. Ditto for my Shimano Dura Ace AX shifters also on the top of the downtube.

Cheers


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Old September 18th 19, 08:58 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 2:35:03 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/17/2019 2:21 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 9:19:49 AM UTC-5, wrote:

I hope to replace the Mirage front derailleur and Mirage Ergo levers with 9-speed Veloce ones only because the Veloce are all silver and then I'd have a full 9-speed groupset on that bike.


OK. As long as you know you are doing the change for completely aesthetic reasons. For performance, there ain't no difference. I have Record, Chorus, Centaur, Veloce, and a Mirage part or two on 9 and 10 speed bikes. No difference in performance.


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Record and Chorus are MILES ahead of the rest of the line in performance. The throw is less and the motions of the components are such that you don't have to mess about nearly do much to stop noises.

I absolutely would have kept Centaur or below if there weren't these differences because the price difference is so substantial. Even the Record cassettes shift cleaner. The Record cable set and the chains are better.

Though I am presently testing one of those Connex super-chains and so far it seems to be the best I've used. No noises and shifts great after 400+ miles. I think that you're the one that recommended that and if so you're seem to be 100% correct.
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Old September 19th 19, 04:15 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 9/18/2019 3:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 2:35:03 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/17/2019 2:21 PM, wrote:


OK. As long as you know you are doing the change for completely aesthetic reasons. For performance, there ain't no difference. I have Record, Chorus, Centaur, Veloce, and a Mirage part or two on 9 and 10 speed bikes. No difference in performance.


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Record and Chorus are MILES ahead of the rest of the line in performance. The throw is less and the motions of the components are such that you don't have to mess about nearly do much to stop noises.

I absolutely would have kept Centaur or below if there weren't these differences because the price difference is so substantial. Even the Record cassettes shift cleaner. The Record cable set and the chains are better.

Though I am presently testing one of those Connex super-chains and so far it seems to be the best I've used. No noises and shifts great after 400+ miles. I think that you're the one that recommended that and if so you're seem to be 100% correct.


OK: Since I have worked on only a few Campy components and owned even
fewer, can someone detail the mechanical and/or material differences
between the different levels of Campy equipment? To keep it simple,
let's discuss just the rear derailleurs. I'm just curious.


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