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Cycle lights in Kingston
There are a set of traffic and pedestrian lights in Kingston upon Thames that I have misgivings about. I did make an attempt at an ASCII representation but it was awful, so here's a link to a instead: http://www.sarlet.com/6400000601.PDF The problems a 1. When traffic is heavy and slow moving, vehicles on the A308 toward Hampton Court will pass lights on green but by the time they are level with the cycle crossing, the lights have changed and are showing green for cycles but there are *no* lights pointing to the A308 at this point, and traffic there does not know the lights have changed. Each direction believe they have a green light. 2. Cyclists waiting for a green light to cross that road find it hard to see the signal. The lights are angled such that you cannot see them from the cycle crossing - even though they are for cyclists - and have to rely on the conditions being just right, not too dark and not to bright for the reflection of the light to show on the hoods. My first question is: the above make sense? Does anyone know the place I mean and have a better description of the problem? My second question is: I am writing to Kingston council about this - does anyone know a name I could address my letter to? Otherwise I will address it to The head of road safety. -- Sara The teeth are free at last! Fly free, young teethies! |
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, Sara Kirk wrote:
There are a set of traffic and pedestrian lights in Kingston upon Thames that I have misgivings about. I did make an attempt at an ASCII representation but it was awful, so here's a link to a instead: http://www.sarlet.com/6400000601.PDF The problems a 1. When traffic is heavy and slow moving, vehicles on the A308 toward Hampton Court will pass lights on green but by the time they are level with the cycle crossing, the lights have changed and are showing green for cycles but there are *no* lights pointing to the A308 at this point, and traffic there does not know the lights have changed. Each direction believe they have a green light. 2. Cyclists waiting for a green light to cross that road find it hard to see the signal. The lights are angled such that you cannot see them from the cycle crossing - even though they are for cyclists - and have to rely on the conditions being just right, not too dark and not to bright for the reflection of the light to show on the hoods. My first question is: the above make sense? Your description does. The road layout doesn't! Does anyone know the place I mean and have a better description of the problem? I don't, but i've found an aerial photo (from which i realised that north is to the left in your drawing): http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=51.4...02414&t=k&z=19 Sadly, the shadow of the department store obscures precisely the bit of road you're talking about. My second question is: I am writing to Kingston council about this - does anyone know a name I could address my letter to? Otherwise I will address it to The head of road safety. No idea, i'm afraid. You could try contacting the Kingston chapter of the London Cycling Campaign; they might know, and might also write in support of you. tom -- inspired by forty-rod whiskey |
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On 17 Sep, 15:22, Sara Kirk wrote:
There are a set of traffic and pedestrian lights in Kingston upon Thames that I have misgivings about. I did make an attempt at an ASCII representation but it was awful, so here's a link to a instead: http://www.sarlet.com/6400000601.PDF The problems a 1. * When traffic is heavy and slow moving, vehicles on the A308 toward Hampton Court will pass lights on green but by the time they are level with the cycle crossing, the lights have changed and are showing green for cycles but there are *no* lights pointing to the A308 at this point, and traffic there does not know the lights have changed. Each direction believe they have a green light. 2. * Cyclists waiting for a green light to cross that road find it hard to see the signal. The lights are angled such that you cannot see them from the cycle crossing - even though they are for cyclists - and have to rely on the conditions being just right, not too dark and not to bright for the reflection of the light to show on the hoods. My first question is: the above make sense? Does anyone know the place I mean and have a better description of the problem? My second question is: I am writing to Kingston council about this - does anyone know a name I could address my letter to? Otherwise I will address it to The head of road safety. Yes, I know the area well. My main problem is the peds mixing up with the bikes, it's a fairly fast road with blind corners all over so I don't want to have someone get in my way! I think your best bet would be to raise this with Kingston Cycling Campaign. You would have far better luck with them on their side as they will already have a relationship with Kingston Council. www.kingstoncycling.org.uk You can meet with them on the 14th October at the Waggon & Horses .... even better if you are member of LCC (London Cycling Campaign). Nick |
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Sara Kirk wrote:
There are a set of traffic and pedestrian lights in Kingston upon Thames that I have misgivings about. I assume this is one way, top to left. Email the Chief executive then nobody can play pass the blame. Say that: (a) the cycle lights are in disrepair 'cos you can't see them (b) the lights, when repaired are unsafe for the reasons you've given. Also (c) write(email will do) something like "FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUEST: (A) I would like to see the risk assessment which relates to the safety of cyclists using this crossing. * FOI is simple, worth looking up. Also if they are in any doubt about what you want it is their responsibility to disambiguate, all within the given time period. * Email the chief exec 5 days before the FOI time limit is due to expire reminding of them of the limit. * If you get the run-around come back here. * If you get a scrap of paper then look at it very very carefully. Don't expect it to mention 'your' problem. OK, we all know these are shams, but you can now go about pointing out that they haven't considered cyclists safety (or brushed it off with disregard to the facts). At this point you may consider a simple Section 56 (Highways act 1980) notice to them which should put the cat amongst the pigeons. * As others have/will mention there must be a local cycle campaign. Welcome to the stupidity of local and national government. -- Peter (Prof) Fox Multitude of things for beer, cycling, Morris and curiosities at http://vulpeculox.net |
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On 17 Sep, 15:22, Sara Kirk wrote:
1. * When traffic is heavy and slow moving, vehicles on the A308 toward Hampton Court will pass lights on green but by the time they are level with the cycle crossing, the lights have changed and are showing green for cycles but there are *no* lights pointing to the A308 at this point, and traffic there does not know the lights have changed. Each direction believe they have a green light. I use a similar facility on the south side of Shepherd's Bush Green. 3 cars can fit between the lights and the crossing and they have no way of knowing when their lights have gone red. When I had a complaint about a road in Ealing I got nowhere with the highways department. However, my councilor was very prompt in getting it sorted. Maybe you should find out who's ward it is and write to them? |
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, POHB wrote: On 17 Sep, 15:22, Sara Kirk wrote: 1. * When traffic is heavy and slow moving, vehicles on the A308 toward Hampton Court will pass lights on green but by the time they are level with the cycle crossing, the lights have changed and are showing green for cycles but there are *no* lights pointing to the A308 at this point, and traffic there does not know the lights have changed. Each direction believe they have a green light. I use a similar facility on the south side of Shepherd's Bush Green. 3 cars can fit between the lights and the crossing and they have no way of knowing when their lights have gone red. When I had a complaint about a road in Ealing I got nowhere with the highways department. However, my councilor was very prompt in getting it sorted. Maybe you should find out who's ward it is and write to them? Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. I'll make sure I post back to let you know how I get on. -- Sara The teeth are free at last! Fly free, young teethies! |
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