LeMond on Contador

wrote:
You are the Epitomy of the cycling enthusiast in denial.

You don't get it at all. Bill knows perfectly well what goes on or has
a pretty good idea, like we all have. Why are you on such a mission?
We mostly don't care. Or at least, I care about cycling as a spectacle
and think that the witch hunt is much worse than the doping.

I also care about cycling as a participant but then, too, the doping
is totally unimportant. Who cares if others dope? I get my
satisfaction from training, suffering and improving. It's just a
passtime.


--
E. Dronkert

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:24:20 -0700, Kurgan Gringioni
wrote:

That jackass seriously needs to shut up.

After he wasn't able to win anymore, he'd like it better if no one
else could either.

So lame. I have nothing but contempt for him.

Dumbass - Your contempt is seriously directed at the wrong guy. I'm
thinking that Bjarne Riis' confession (of the obvious) pretty much
supports and justifies everything Lemond has been whining about for
more than 10 years. He was all by himself out on a limb, getting
slammed by all the rbr cycling whores, and now he's looking pretty
much vindicated AFAIC.

Bottom line: how can you slam a guy who DID win the TdF 3 times while
clean? Put yourself in his place. How would you react if domestiques
start dropping you and winning races - doped to the gills it turns
out?

You'd become a self righteous blowhard.

Come to think of it, in some cases, you'd become simply a BIGGER and
LOUDER version of a existing self righteous blowhard.

"Bill C" wrote in message
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Well your aproach would validate Greg because they would all be banned
for life, except Greg, 'cause he's the only one who didn't cheat, and
he'd be the virtual winner of everything, or there would be no
winners, and no races either.
That's a perfect solution.
Next witch to the stake please!

I do find it very interesting that LeMond was riding poorly in the Giro that
year and a month later after magically discovering that he had an "iron
deficiency" and a mysterious shot, he won the Tour de France.

Everyone who doesn't know what that means raise your hands.

On Jul 27, 3:55 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Bill C" wrote in message

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Well your aproach would validate Greg because they would all be banned
for life, except Greg, 'cause he's the only one who didn't cheat, and
he'd be the virtual winner of everything, or there would be no
winners, and no races either.
That's a perfect solution.
Next witch to the stake please!

I do find it very interesting that LeMond was riding poorly in the Giro that
year and a month later after magically discovering that he had an "iron
deficiency" and a mysterious shot, he won the Tour de France.

Everyone who doesn't know what that means raise your hands.

It's quite obvious.

After a lead shot he was slowly lowering his metal habit with Iron. At
the end he probably used copper ^^

Do I get a price?

wrote in message
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On Jul 27, 3:55 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Bill C" wrote in message

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Well your aproach would validate Greg because they would all be banned
for life, except Greg, 'cause he's the only one who didn't cheat, and
he'd be the virtual winner of everything, or there would be no
winners, and no races either.
That's a perfect solution.
Next witch to the stake please!

I do find it very interesting that LeMond was riding poorly in the Giro
that
year and a month later after magically discovering that he had an "iron
deficiency" and a mysterious shot, he won the Tour de France.

Everyone who doesn't know what that means raise your hands.

It's quite obvious.

After a lead shot he was slowly lowering his metal habit with Iron. At
the end he probably used copper ^^

Do I get a price?


Maybe there's something mysterious about metal that we don't know about.
-tom

On Jul 27, 9:55 am, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:

I do find it very interesting that LeMond was riding poorly in the Giro that
year and a month later after magically discovering that he had an "iron
deficiency" and a mysterious shot, he won the Tour de France.

Everyone who doesn't know what that means raise your hands.

At the time doping wasn't even on my radar and it still sounded
extremely odd.

The way he cries I'm sure he's a woman - maybe he was menstruating
heavily and lost a lot of blood.

R

"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote in message
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"Bill C" wrote in message
oups.com...

Well your aproach would validate Greg because they would all be banned
for life, except Greg, 'cause he's the only one who didn't cheat, and
he'd be the virtual winner of everything, or there would be no
winners, and no races either.
That's a perfect solution.
Next witch to the stake please!

I do find it very interesting that LeMond was riding poorly in the Giro
that year and a month later after magically discovering that he had an
"iron deficiency" and a mysterious shot, he won the Tour de France.

Everyone who doesn't know what that means raise your hands.


It's quite possible his doctor gave him epo. But if he did, so what? In 1989
it was not yet on the list of banned substances, and by almost all doctors
only seen as a very effective medicine for patients suffering from aneamia.
Anyhow, according to dr. Jeanne-Pierre de Modenard, probably world's
greatest expert in the field of the history of doping, writer of six
extremel;y informative books on the subject, and owner of an incredible rich
archive, declared a few days ago that he is convinced that Greg Lemond is
the only TdF-winner after the war who never deliberately used doping.

Benjo

anton2468 wrote:
You are the Epitomy of the cycling enthusiast in denial.

You can see smoke, feel the heat, smell the burning, see the damage,
but you just cant admit there is a fire in the house because the
flames arn't visible from the outside.

Good on you, lets see some more rightous indignation. You rightous
crusaders are doing wonders for the rbr July hit count. Keep it up, and
just to give you some ammunition I'll let you in on a secret. We all know
they dope and we don't really care, its not cheating if everybodies doing
it.

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:32:26 +0200, Ewoud Dronkert
wrote:

wrote:
You are the Epitomy of the cycling enthusiast in denial.

You don't get it at all. Bill knows perfectly well what goes on or has
a pretty good idea, like we all have. Why are you on such a mission?
We mostly don't care. Or at least, I care about cycling as a spectacle
and think that the witch hunt is much worse than the doping.

I also care about cycling as a participant but then, too, the doping
is totally unimportant. Who cares if others dope? I get my
satisfaction from training, suffering and improving. It's just a
passtime.

Wow. I nominate you for cycling saint of the year: "I am high on
life; this petty squabbling is beneath me."

What self righteous, self-important hogwash.

Did it ever occur to you that all the Master Fatties, the clubbies and
the Cat 4's and below in this world get the same satisfaction as you.
Even me.

But I suspect if you were a Cat 3 or above other people's doping just
might hit a tad closer to the bone in your personal cycling - where
your satisfaction might be more geared to your objective placing and
your points and not just your isolated and pristine subjective world.
Then you would have to decide just how above it all you really were.
Would you still stay above the fray? Would you get on your Greg
Lemond soapbox and excoriate the dopers? Or would you risk your own
health and join the club?

Somehow I doubt you've ever had to face making such a decision.

The cycling "witch hunt" makes page 10 of the newspapers in USA. On
page 1 is Barry Bonds, professional baseball and steroids. Page 2 is
American football. Page 3 is steroids and the PGA. Page 4 is doping
and the Olympics. Etc. Then there's European football. Etc.

The point is that all these spectator sports are HUGE in terms of the
money, the following, the actual importance in people's lives, even if
they are "mere diversions." Clean athletes are important on many
levels. Otherwise why would anybody be talking about it at all?

Sorry dude. Your "I'm above it all and the cure is worse than the
disease" is an unrealistic, out of touch attitude.

On Jul 27, 3:08 pm, Morten Reippuert wrote:
Bill C wrote:
Well your aproach would validate Greg because they would all be banned
for life, except Greg, 'cause he's the only one who didn't cheat, and
he'd be the virtual winner of everything, or there would be no
winners, and no races either.
That's a perfect solution.
Next witch to the stake please!

What do you think about Evans and Leipheimer being clients of Dr.
Michele Ferrari?

Now you're in "Bargaining." Still got Depression and Acceptance to go.