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Flat Bar Road Bikes with Low Step-Over, i.e Mixte
On 4/24/2015 7:37 AM, Duane wrote:
My favorite LBS has these bikes: http://www.linusbike.com/ I haven't ridden one but there are step through models that look ok. Linus and Public forgot to have models for areas with steep hills. They should do models with "standard" 3 x 7. 3 x 8. or 3 x 9 gearing, i.e. http://americancyclery.com/collections/soma-bicycles/products/soma-buena-vista. There are a great many used Raleigh, Peugeot, Trek, and Panasonic Mixte road bikes out there but none of them are triple cranks and most of them are 27" wheels which severely limits your tire choices. I'm looking for a product not a project. The new Mixte road bicycles are now boutique items like the Soma Buena Vista and the Rivendell Cheviot. Wish LBSes would carry something similar to the Motobecane Mirage Sport, even for $500-600 rather than the bikesdirect $349 price. The closest thing I could find at an LBS in a non-boutique are is the Fuji Stagger series at Performance, the only one they actually stock is the "Fuji Absolute 1.7 Stagger Women's Flat Bar Road Bike - 2014" http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...74_-1___000000 I'd still change to a bar like the Velo Orange Tourist http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/vo-tourist-handlebar-22-2-dia.html 
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April 24th 15, 08:55 PM
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On 24/04/2015 2:15 PM, sms wrote:
On 4/24/2015 7:37 AM, Duane wrote: My favorite LBS has these bikes: http://www.linusbike.com/ I haven't ridden one but there are step through models that look ok. Linus and Public forgot to have models for areas with steep hills. They should do models with "standard" 3 x 7. 3 x 8. or 3 x 9 gearing, i.e. http://americancyclery.com/collections/soma-bicycles/products/soma-buena-vista. There are a great many used Raleigh, Peugeot, Trek, and Panasonic Mixte road bikes out there but none of them are triple cranks and most of them are 27" wheels which severely limits your tire choices. I'm looking for a product not a project. The new Mixte road bicycles are now boutique items like the Soma Buena Vista and the Rivendell Cheviot. Wish LBSes would carry something similar to the Motobecane Mirage Sport, even for $500-600 rather than the bikesdirect $349 price. The closest thing I could find at an LBS in a non-boutique are is the Fuji Stagger series at Performance, the only one they actually stock is the "Fuji Absolute 1.7 Stagger Women's Flat Bar Road Bike - 2014" http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...74_-1___000000 I'd still change to a bar like the Velo Orange Tourist http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/vo-tourist-handlebar-22-2-dia.html Like I said, I didn't ride any of these. On the other hand I see students with them downtown and they don't seem to have a problem going up Mount Royal or Camelien Houde. I guess it depends on what you call steep. Though they are students with youth on their side. If your looking for a townie that climbs like a Roubaix with a triple but has a step over frame I'm not sure what to tell you. Andre had some suggestions. Maybe Andrew. Let us know what you choose.
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April 24th 15, 09:26 PM
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On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 7:15:35 PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
The closest thing I could find at an LBS in a non-boutique are is the Fuji Stagger series at Performance, the only one they actually stock is the "Fuji Absolute 1.7 Stagger Women's Flat Bar Road Bike - 2014" http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...74_-1___000000 That bike will cost you more to make it habitable than you save on not buying a proper bike in the first instance. Here's an incomplete list of just some of the larger items you will have to buy extra, that you get on a proper bike like a Gazelle, which doesn't cost all that much mo Mudguards Rack Chain guard Ergonomic handlebars Front Lamp Rear Lamp Wheel with hub dynamo to drive lamps Pump Flatproof tyres Emergency toolkit Bag for tools [SOON] New transmission because the Alivio set is pretty bargain basement and won't last long That thing is an incomplete project, not a bike! I'd still change to a bar like the Velo Orange Tourist http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/vo-tourist-handlebar-22-2-dia.html That's a North Road Bar by any other name, with a boutique price. It's very likely made for VO by Kalloy, whose North Road bars I have on all my bikes; I buy them cheap when the local LBSs throw them off when they sell total cycling novices buying a bike on a government scheme an unsuitable bike and then persuade them to fit even more unsuitble "sporting" drop bars. Those bikes end up permanently parked in the garden shed within a week or a fortnight. Kalloy bars are cheap enough and very good; they're found on plenty of upmarket bikes from German and Swiss and Dutch baukasten; my Swiss n'lock came optioned up with a Kalloy North Road bar http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/...26347#msg26347 with a cable inside the handlebar that locks into the n'lock, so it is is a bar of high integrity. Andre Jute
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April 24th 15, 09:57 PM
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On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 4:26:57 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 7:15:35 PM UTC+1, sms wrote: The closest thing I could find at an LBS in a non-boutique are is the Fuji Stagger series at Performance, the only one they actually stock is the "Fuji Absolute 1.7 Stagger Women's Flat Bar Road Bike - 2014" http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...74_-1___000000 That bike will cost you more to make it habitable than you save on not buying a proper bike in the first instance. Here's an incomplete list of just some of the larger items you will have to buy extra, that you get on a proper bike like a Gazelle, which doesn't cost all that much mo Mudguards Rack Chain guard Ergonomic handlebars Front Lamp Rear Lamp Wheel with hub dynamo to drive lamps Pump Flatproof tyres Emergency toolkit Bag for tools [SOON] New transmission because the Alivio set is pretty bargain basement and won't last long That thing is an incomplete project, not a bike! I'd still change to a bar like the Velo Orange Tourist http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/vo-tourist-handlebar-22-2-dia.html That's a North Road Bar by any other name, with a boutique price. It's very likely made for VO by Kalloy, whose North Road bars I have on all my bikes; I buy them cheap when the local LBSs throw them off when they sell total cycling novices buying a bike on a government scheme an unsuitable bike and then persuade them to fit even more unsuitble "sporting" drop bars. Those bikes end up permanently parked in the garden shed within a week or a fortnight. Kalloy bars are cheap enough and very good; they're found on plenty of upmarket bikes from German and Swiss and Dutch baukasten; my Swiss n'lock came optioned up with a Kalloy North Road bar http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/...26347#msg26347 with a cable inside the handlebar that locks into the n'lock, so it is is a bar of high integrity. Andre Jute El Toro Poo Poo! Many of those items are not needed for casual riding in the daytime. Those items include: Rack Chain guard Ergonomic handlebars Front Lamp Rear Lamp Wheel with hub dynamo to drive lamps Flatproof tyres Some are nice to have but are not neccesities: Pump Emergency toolkit Bag for tools Bicycling does not need to cost a fortune. What's wrong with getting a nice Mixte frame and then building it up with the components you prefer? Seems like a lot of bicyclists should be building bicycles since there's nothing available to suit them. Cheers
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April 24th 15, 10:06 PM
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On 4/24/2015 7:39 AM, Duane wrote:
Oops. Didn't notice your mentioning "road bikes." These aren't actually road bikes. Thought you were looking for townies. We still do 50-60 mile rides together. Her "Townie" just didn't cut it, even before she crashed it. Too heavy, and no need for the ridiculous suspension fork. She used to ride a Raleigh Technium, many years ago, but found that she liked a low step-over frame. And she hates the drop bars for commuting and probably for everything else too. So the optimal choice would be a low step-over, flat bar, road bike. No suspension, nothing excessively heavy. I'm going to try the Mirage Sport Mixte from Bikes Direct. The components are better than what are on the closest acceptable alternative that any LBS offered. Hate buying a bike online sight unseen but it's not a huge amount of money.
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April 25th 15, 03:18 AM
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On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 9:57:51 PM UTC+1, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 4:26:57 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote: On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 7:15:35 PM UTC+1, sms wrote: The closest thing I could find at an LBS in a non-boutique are is the Fuji Stagger series at Performance, the only one they actually stock is the "Fuji Absolute 1.7 Stagger Women's Flat Bar Road Bike - 2014" http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...74_-1___000000 That bike will cost you more to make it habitable than you save on not buying a proper bike in the first instance. Here's an incomplete list of just some of the larger items you will have to buy extra, that you get on a proper bike like a Gazelle, which doesn't cost all that much mo Mudguards Rack Chain guard Ergonomic handlebars Front Lamp Rear Lamp Wheel with hub dynamo to drive lamps Pump Flatproof tyres Emergency toolkit Bag for tools [SOON] New transmission because the Alivio set is pretty bargain basement and won't last long That thing is an incomplete project, not a bike! I'd still change to a bar like the Velo Orange Tourist http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/vo-tourist-handlebar-22-2-dia.html That's a North Road Bar by any other name, with a boutique price. It's very likely made for VO by Kalloy, whose North Road bars I have on all my bikes; I buy them cheap when the local LBSs throw them off when they sell total cycling novices buying a bike on a government scheme an unsuitable bike and then persuade them to fit even more unsuitble "sporting" drop bars. Those bikes end up permanently parked in the garden shed within a week or a fortnight. Kalloy bars are cheap enough and very good; they're found on plenty of upmarket bikes from German and Swiss and Dutch baukasten; my Swiss n'lock came optioned up with a Kalloy North Road bar http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/...26347#msg26347 with a cable inside the handlebar that locks into the n'lock, so it is is a bar of high integrity.. Andre Jute El Toro Poo Poo! Many of those items are not needed for casual riding in the daytime. Those items include: Rack Chain guard Ergonomic handlebars Front Lamp Rear Lamp Wheel with hub dynamo to drive lamps Flatproof tyres Some are nice to have but are not neccesities: Pump Emergency toolkit Bag for tools Bicycling does not need to cost a fortune. What's wrong with getting a nice Mixte frame and then building it up with the components you prefer? Seems like a lot of bicyclists should be building bicycles since there's nothing available to suit them. Cheers I think you're several gross short of a full information set, Rideablot. Mrs Scharf commutes to work on that bike, so she needs mudguard and a chainguard so as not to arrive wet, bedraggled and oily. How is she supposed to attacher her briefcase to the bike if there is no rack? How are drivers in cars supposed to see her on winter days if she has no lamps? Etc, etc, point by point. In any event, I wasn't so much making a shopping list for Scharfie as listing the essential facilities you get as standard fittings with a nice Dutch bike for not very much more money, and that cost a tremendous amount of money if you have to buy them piecemeal in the overpriced aftermarket. There's nothing wrong with the bike Scharfie showed us, except if you resent being ripped too much money for too little bike. I'm surprised to find you taking the side of the greedbags who rip unsuspecting cyclists. Andre Jute
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April 25th 15, 01:26 PM
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A light-weight rainsuit and a small backpack can turn any bicycle into a great commuter and without the hassle oOn Friday, April 24, 2015 at 10:18:22 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 9:57:51 PM UTC+1, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 4:26:57 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote: On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 7:15:35 PM UTC+1, sms wrote: The closest thing I could find at an LBS in a non-boutique are is the Fuji Stagger series at Performance, the only one they actually stock is the "Fuji Absolute 1.7 Stagger Women's Flat Bar Road Bike - 2014" http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...74_-1___000000 That bike will cost you more to make it habitable than you save on not buying a proper bike in the first instance. Here's an incomplete list of just some of the larger items you will have to buy extra, that you get on a proper bike like a Gazelle, which doesn't cost all that much mo Mudguards Rack Chain guard Ergonomic handlebars Front Lamp Rear Lamp Wheel with hub dynamo to drive lamps Pump Flatproof tyres Emergency toolkit Bag for tools [SOON] New transmission because the Alivio set is pretty bargain basement and won't last long That thing is an incomplete project, not a bike! I'd still change to a bar like the Velo Orange Tourist http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/vo-tourist-handlebar-22-2-dia.html That's a North Road Bar by any other name, with a boutique price. It's very likely made for VO by Kalloy, whose North Road bars I have on all my bikes; I buy them cheap when the local LBSs throw them off when they sell total cycling novices buying a bike on a government scheme an unsuitable bike and then persuade them to fit even more unsuitble "sporting" drop bars. Those bikes end up permanently parked in the garden shed within a week or a fortnight. Kalloy bars are cheap enough and very good; they're found on plenty of upmarket bikes from German and Swiss and Dutch baukasten; my Swiss n'lock came optioned up with a Kalloy North Road bar http://www.thorncycles..co.uk/forums...26347#msg26347 with a cable inside the handlebar that locks into the n'lock, so it is is a bar of high integrity. Andre Jute El Toro Poo Poo! Many of those items are not needed for casual riding in the daytime. Those items include: Rack Chain guard Ergonomic handlebars Front Lamp Rear Lamp Wheel with hub dynamo to drive lamps Flatproof tyres Some are nice to have but are not neccesities: Pump Emergency toolkit Bag for tools Bicycling does not need to cost a fortune. What's wrong with getting a nice Mixte frame and then building it up with the components you prefer? Seems like a lot of bicyclists should be building bicycles since there's nothing available to suit them. Cheers I think you're several gross short of a full information set, Rideablot. Mrs Scharf commutes to work on that bike, so she needs mudguard and a chainguard so as not to arrive wet, bedraggled and oily. How is she supposed to attacher her briefcase to the bike if there is no rack? How are drivers in cars supposed to see her on winter days if she has no lamps? Etc, etc, point by point. In any event, I wasn't so much making a shopping list for Scharfie as listing the essential facilities you get as standard fittings with a nice Dutch bike for not very much more money, and that cost a tremendous amount of money if you have to buy them piecemeal in the overpriced aftermarket. There's nothing wrong with the bike Scharfie showed us, except if you resent being ripped too much money for too little bike. I'm surprised to find you taking the side of the greedbags who rip unsuspecting cyclists. Andre Jute A light-weight rainsuit plus a small pack turns ANY bicycle into a commuter and has the advantage of being instantly ready to go or come as you don't need to fiddle with stuff on a rack. I commuted for many years with just such a rig and was happy that all I had to do at my destinations was lock the bike and walk away. Not everyone wants or even needs all those items you listed as neccessities in order to commute by bicycle. Having to get all that stuff or having to spend $ on a bicycle with it mounted already is something that turns a lot of people away from commuting/transportational bicycling. Cheers
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On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 10:18:22 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 9:57:51 PM UTC+1, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 4:26:57 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote: On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 7:15:35 PM UTC+1, sms wrote: The closest thing I could find at an LBS in a non-boutique are is the Fuji Stagger series at Performance, the only one they actually stock is the "Fuji Absolute 1.7 Stagger Women's Flat Bar Road Bike - 2014" http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...74_-1___000000 That bike will cost you more to make it habitable than you save on not buying a proper bike in the first instance. Here's an incomplete list of just some of the larger items you will have to buy extra, that you get on a proper bike like a Gazelle, which doesn't cost all that much mo Mudguards Rack Chain guard Ergonomic handlebars Front Lamp Rear Lamp Wheel with hub dynamo to drive lamps Pump Flatproof tyres Emergency toolkit Bag for tools [SOON] New transmission because the Alivio set is pretty bargain basement and won't last long That thing is an incomplete project, not a bike! I'd still change to a bar like the Velo Orange Tourist http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/vo-tourist-handlebar-22-2-dia.html That's a North Road Bar by any other name, with a boutique price. It's very likely made for VO by Kalloy, whose North Road bars I have on all my bikes; I buy them cheap when the local LBSs throw them off when they sell total cycling novices buying a bike on a government scheme an unsuitable bike and then persuade them to fit even more unsuitble "sporting" drop bars. Those bikes end up permanently parked in the garden shed within a week or a fortnight. Kalloy bars are cheap enough and very good; they're found on plenty of upmarket bikes from German and Swiss and Dutch baukasten; my Swiss n'lock came optioned up with a Kalloy North Road bar http://www.thorncycles..co.uk/forums...26347#msg26347 with a cable inside the handlebar that locks into the n'lock, so it is is a bar of high integrity. Andre Jute El Toro Poo Poo! Many of those items are not needed for casual riding in the daytime. Those items include: Rack Chain guard Ergonomic handlebars Front Lamp Rear Lamp Wheel with hub dynamo to drive lamps Flatproof tyres Some are nice to have but are not neccesities: Pump Emergency toolkit Bag for tools Bicycling does not need to cost a fortune. What's wrong with getting a nice Mixte frame and then building it up with the components you prefer? Seems like a lot of bicyclists should be building bicycles since there's nothing available to suit them. Cheers I think you're several gross short of a full information set, Rideablot. Mrs Scharf commutes to work on that bike, so she needs mudguard and a chainguard so as not to arrive wet, bedraggled and oily. How is she supposed to attacher her briefcase to the bike if there is no rack? How are drivers in cars supposed to see her on winter days if she has no lamps? Etc, etc, point by point. In any event, I wasn't so much making a shopping list for Scharfie as listing the essential facilities you get as standard fittings with a nice Dutch bike for not very much more money, and that cost a tremendous amount of money if you have to buy them piecemeal in the overpriced aftermarket. There's nothing wrong with the bike Scharfie showed us, except if you resent being ripped too much money for too little bike. I'm surprised to find you taking the side of the greedbags who rip unsuspecting cyclists. Andre Jute where is the Scharf woman working ? at the incinerator ?
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On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 7:18:22 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 9:57:51 PM UTC+1, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 4:26:57 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote: On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 7:15:35 PM UTC+1, sms wrote: The closest thing I could find at an LBS in a non-boutique are is the Fuji Stagger series at Performance, the only one they actually stock is the "Fuji Absolute 1.7 Stagger Women's Flat Bar Road Bike - 2014" http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...74_-1___000000 That bike will cost you more to make it habitable than you save on not buying a proper bike in the first instance. Here's an incomplete list of just some of the larger items you will have to buy extra, that you get on a proper bike like a Gazelle, which doesn't cost all that much mo Mudguards Rack Chain guard Ergonomic handlebars Front Lamp Rear Lamp Wheel with hub dynamo to drive lamps Pump Flatproof tyres Emergency toolkit Bag for tools [SOON] New transmission because the Alivio set is pretty bargain basement and won't last long That thing is an incomplete project, not a bike! I'd still change to a bar like the Velo Orange Tourist http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/vo-tourist-handlebar-22-2-dia.html That's a North Road Bar by any other name, with a boutique price. It's very likely made for VO by Kalloy, whose North Road bars I have on all my bikes; I buy them cheap when the local LBSs throw them off when they sell total cycling novices buying a bike on a government scheme an unsuitable bike and then persuade them to fit even more unsuitble "sporting" drop bars. Those bikes end up permanently parked in the garden shed within a week or a fortnight. Kalloy bars are cheap enough and very good; they're found on plenty of upmarket bikes from German and Swiss and Dutch baukasten; my Swiss n'lock came optioned up with a Kalloy North Road bar http://www.thorncycles..co.uk/forums...26347#msg26347 with a cable inside the handlebar that locks into the n'lock, so it is is a bar of high integrity. Andre Jute El Toro Poo Poo! Many of those items are not needed for casual riding in the daytime. Those items include: Rack Chain guard Ergonomic handlebars Front Lamp Rear Lamp Wheel with hub dynamo to drive lamps Flatproof tyres Some are nice to have but are not neccesities: Pump Emergency toolkit Bag for tools Bicycling does not need to cost a fortune. What's wrong with getting a nice Mixte frame and then building it up with the components you prefer? Seems like a lot of bicyclists should be building bicycles since there's nothing available to suit them. Cheers I think you're several gross short of a full information set, Rideablot. Mrs Scharf commutes to work on that bike, so she needs mudguard and a chainguard so as not to arrive wet, bedraggled and oily. How is she supposed to attacher her briefcase to the bike if there is no rack? How are drivers in cars supposed to see her on winter days if she has no lamps? Etc, etc, point by point. In any event, I wasn't so much making a shopping list for Scharfie as listing the essential facilities you get as standard fittings with a nice Dutch bike for not very much more money, and that cost a tremendous amount of money if you have to buy them piecemeal in the overpriced aftermarket. There's nothing wrong with the bike Scharfie showed us, except if you resent being ripped too much money for too little bike. I'm surprised to find you taking the side of the greedbags who rip unsuspecting cyclists. Andre, it's $350 USD for this: http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...ed_xi_2100.jpg I agree that it's a little sketchy buying based on a picture (and some specs), but unless its a miniature desk-top model and not a real bike, then he can't go terribly wrong at that price. It will be heavy -- and the parts will not be terribly durable and some may even die an early death, but I'm sure SMS has enough stuff sitting around he house to fix anything that breaks. BTW, the whole bike-culture thing in PDX drives up prices for old bikes. https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/4991766444.html $245 for an old Raleigh mixte bike -- 12 speed with idiot brakes. You can get an old U08 mixte boat-anchor for less, but not a lot -- and none have a triple. $350 seems like quite a deal. -- Jay Beattie.
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