A bike that even Joerg couldn't break?

On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 7:15:03 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/20/2016 4:15 AM, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2016-11-18, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

The 'we' is probably most everyone here who either read your posts
or read your statements in posts others make.

I read Joerg's posts, and I believe he breaks a lot of things. It's
not so incredible to think that hard use will destroy bike parts,
really. The only thing I find truly incredible is his resistance to
carrying a chain tool. Rocks and sticks, feh.

I don't doubt that Joerg breaks stuff, but I think "hard use" depends a
lot on riding technique. IOW, I think you can send two riders of
identical weight and power on identical rides on identical bikes and
have very different amounts of bike damage.

--
- Frank Krygowski

And I agree. I have a Bridgestone XO-1 in my garage that my youngest daughter rode from the Pacific Ocean in Oregon to the Atlantic Ocean in Virginia without so much as a flat.

On 2016-11-20 01:15, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2016-11-18, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

The 'we' is probably most everyone here who either read your posts
or read your statements in posts others make.

I read Joerg's posts, and I believe he breaks a lot of things. It's
not so incredible to think that hard use will destroy bike parts,
really. The only thing I find truly incredible is his resistance to
carrying a chain tool. Rocks and sticks, feh.


Although my tool kit weighs over a pound I am a minimalist in that
respect. I carry only tools that cannot be replaced by a McGyver trick.
A chain can be fixed without a chain tool so why carry one?

I rather carry an extra bottle of water, dextrose tablets and such in
case I find a hiker who grossly underestimated their hydration and
energy need. There were a few. One of them was already passed out on the
ground.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 7:59:25 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-11-20 01:15, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2016-11-18, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

The 'we' is probably most everyone here who either read your posts
or read your statements in posts others make.

I read Joerg's posts, and I believe he breaks a lot of things. It's
not so incredible to think that hard use will destroy bike parts,
really. The only thing I find truly incredible is his resistance to
carrying a chain tool. Rocks and sticks, feh.


Although my tool kit weighs over a pound I am a minimalist in that
respect. I carry only tools that cannot be replaced by a McGyver trick.
A chain can be fixed without a chain tool so why carry one?

Are you f****** kidding? You carry a tool so you can repair your chain in five minutes instead of an hour looking for a nail, rock, etc., etc. That's crazy. Why carry any tools when you can build a small forge and beat a nail into a hex wrench, etc., etc.?


I rather carry an extra bottle of water, dextrose tablets and such in
case I find a hiker who grossly underestimated their hydration and
energy need. There were a few. One of them was already passed out on the
ground.

And he or she wasn't eaten by a mountain lion? Thank Buddha. Why not take an automatic emergency defibrillator or some field dressings and splints? Maybe the downed hiker needed insulin -- take some of that too. But don't burden yourself with a 185g multi-tool. http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/u...gc lsrc=aw.ds That would be too much and probably cause all the fasteners on your bike to explode.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 9:00:04 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 7:15:03 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/20/2016 4:15 AM, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2016-11-18, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

The 'we' is probably most everyone here who either read your posts
or read your statements in posts others make.

I read Joerg's posts, and I believe he breaks a lot of things. It's
not so incredible to think that hard use will destroy bike parts,
really. The only thing I find truly incredible is his resistance to
carrying a chain tool. Rocks and sticks, feh.

I don't doubt that Joerg breaks stuff, but I think "hard use" depends a
lot on riding technique. IOW, I think you can send two riders of
identical weight and power on identical rides on identical bikes and
have very different amounts of bike damage.

--
- Frank Krygowski

And I agree. I have a Bridgestone XO-1 in my garage that my youngest daughter rode from the Pacific Ocean in Oregon to the Atlantic Ocean in Virginia without so much as a flat.

Yabbut how much does she weigh

On 21/11/2016 12:21 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 7:59:25 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-11-20 01:15, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2016-11-18, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

The 'we' is probably most everyone here who either read your posts
or read your statements in posts others make.

I read Joerg's posts, and I believe he breaks a lot of things. It's
not so incredible to think that hard use will destroy bike parts,
really. The only thing I find truly incredible is his resistance to
carrying a chain tool. Rocks and sticks, feh.


Although my tool kit weighs over a pound I am a minimalist in that
respect. I carry only tools that cannot be replaced by a McGyver trick.
A chain can be fixed without a chain tool so why carry one?

Are you f****** kidding? You carry a tool so you can repair your chain in five minutes instead of an hour looking for a nail, rock, etc., etc. That's crazy. Why carry any tools when you can build a small forge and beat a nail into a hex wrench, etc., etc.?


I rather carry an extra bottle of water, dextrose tablets and such in
case I find a hiker who grossly underestimated their hydration and
energy need. There were a few. One of them was already passed out on the
ground.

And he or she wasn't eaten by a mountain lion? Thank Buddha. Why not take an automatic emergency defibrillator or some field dressings and splints? Maybe the downed hiker needed insulin -- take some of that too. But don't burden yourself with a 185g multi-tool. http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/u...gc lsrc=aw.ds That would be too much and probably cause all the fasteners on your bike to explode.



https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5020-507/M17-Multi-Tool
168g and $35 Canadian.

On 2016-11-21 09:21, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 7:59:25 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-11-20 01:15, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2016-11-18, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

The 'we' is probably most everyone here who either read your
posts or read your statements in posts others make.

I read Joerg's posts, and I believe he breaks a lot of things.
It's not so incredible to think that hard use will destroy bike
parts, really. The only thing I find truly incredible is his
resistance to carrying a chain tool. Rocks and sticks, feh.


Although my tool kit weighs over a pound I am a minimalist in that
respect. I carry only tools that cannot be replaced by a McGyver
trick. A chain can be fixed without a chain tool so why carry one?

Are you f****** kidding? You carry a tool so you can repair your
chain in five minutes instead of an hour looking for a nail, rock,
etc., etc. That's crazy. Why carry any tools when you can build a
small forge and beat a nail into a hex wrench, etc., etc.?


If you need an hour to find that stuff you should sign up for a new
round of survival training. Or join the scouts. Or army boot camp.


I rather carry an extra bottle of water, dextrose tablets and such
in case I find a hiker who grossly underestimated their hydration
and energy need. There were a few. One of them was already passed
out on the ground.

And he or she wasn't eaten by a mountain lion?


Out there that could have happened.


... Thank Buddha. Why not
take an automatic emergency defibrillator or some field dressings and
splints? Maybe the downed hiker needed insulin -- take some of that
too. But don't burden yourself with a 185g multi-tool.
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/u...gc lsrc=aw.ds
That would be too much and probably cause all the fasteners on your
bike to explode.


Topeak is a good brand. Most of the time. Their Pocket Rocket pump has
saved the day for many other riders. The tire levers, well, on one of
them the tip broke off :-(

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 2016-11-21 09:26, Doug Landau wrote:
On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 9:00:04 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 7:15:03 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/20/2016 4:15 AM, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2016-11-18, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

The 'we' is probably most everyone here who either read your posts
or read your statements in posts others make.

I read Joerg's posts, and I believe he breaks a lot of things. It's
not so incredible to think that hard use will destroy bike parts,
really. The only thing I find truly incredible is his resistance to
carrying a chain tool. Rocks and sticks, feh.

I don't doubt that Joerg breaks stuff, but I think "hard use" depends a
lot on riding technique. IOW, I think you can send two riders of
identical weight and power on identical rides on identical bikes and
have very different amounts of bike damage.

--
- Frank Krygowski

And I agree. I have a Bridgestone XO-1 in my garage that my youngest daughter rode from the Pacific Ocean in Oregon to the Atlantic Ocean in Virginia without so much as a flat.

Yabbut how much does she weigh


She probably also didn't take direct routes such as this one from Lotus
to Folsom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5cjAW_nrl4

That is a normal trail out here.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 10:05:42 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-11-21 09:21, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 7:59:25 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-11-20 01:15, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2016-11-18, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

The 'we' is probably most everyone here who either read your
posts or read your statements in posts others make.

I read Joerg's posts, and I believe he breaks a lot of things.
It's not so incredible to think that hard use will destroy bike
parts, really. The only thing I find truly incredible is his
resistance to carrying a chain tool. Rocks and sticks, feh.


Although my tool kit weighs over a pound I am a minimalist in that
respect. I carry only tools that cannot be replaced by a McGyver
trick. A chain can be fixed without a chain tool so why carry one?

Are you f****** kidding? You carry a tool so you can repair your
chain in five minutes instead of an hour looking for a nail, rock,
etc., etc. That's crazy. Why carry any tools when you can build a
small forge and beat a nail into a hex wrench, etc., etc.?


If you need an hour to find that stuff you should sign up for a new
round of survival training. Or join the scouts. Or army boot camp.

So, in the middle of god-forsaken nowhere -- a place filled with marauding mountain lions, where people are prostrate on the ground, dying of dehydration -- you can find a suitable nail to beat out a chain link pin? Is the nail from the fence on the 18th hole? http://cameronparkcc.com/ Maybe the guy's on the ground because he missed his drive and is just ****ed off.

You have to be a spectacular dumb-f*** to be hunting around for a nail and a rock to fix a chain -- on purpose. You have to be about that dumb to take off into the wilderness of Cameron Park without any water on a hot day. The mortality rate in your suburb must be about 50%.

-- Jay Beattie.



I rather carry an extra bottle of water, dextrose tablets and such
in case I find a hiker who grossly underestimated their hydration
and energy need. There were a few. One of them was already passed
out on the ground.

And he or she wasn't eaten by a mountain lion?


Out there that could have happened.


... Thank Buddha. Why not
take an automatic emergency defibrillator or some field dressings and
splints? Maybe the downed hiker needed insulin -- take some of that
too. But don't burden yourself with a 185g multi-tool.
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/u...gc lsrc=aw.ds
That would be too much and probably cause all the fasteners on your
bike to explode.


Topeak is a good brand. Most of the time. Their Pocket Rocket pump has
saved the day for many other riders. The tire levers, well, on one of
them the tip broke off :-(

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 11:06:47 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 10:05:42 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-11-21 09:21, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 7:59:25 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-11-20 01:15, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2016-11-18, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

The 'we' is probably most everyone here who either read your
posts or read your statements in posts others make.

I read Joerg's posts, and I believe he breaks a lot of things.
It's not so incredible to think that hard use will destroy bike
parts, really. The only thing I find truly incredible is his
resistance to carrying a chain tool. Rocks and sticks, feh.


Although my tool kit weighs over a pound I am a minimalist in that
respect. I carry only tools that cannot be replaced by a McGyver
trick. A chain can be fixed without a chain tool so why carry one?

Are you f****** kidding? You carry a tool so you can repair your
chain in five minutes instead of an hour looking for a nail, rock,
etc., etc. That's crazy. Why carry any tools when you can build a
small forge and beat a nail into a hex wrench, etc., etc.?


If you need an hour to find that stuff you should sign up for a new
round of survival training. Or join the scouts. Or army boot camp.

So, in the middle of god-forsaken nowhere -- a place filled with marauding mountain lions, where people are prostrate on the ground, dying of dehydration -- you can find a suitable nail to beat out a chain link pin? Is the nail from the fence on the 18th hole? http://cameronparkcc.com/ Maybe the guy's on the ground because he missed his drive and is just ****ed off.

You have to be a spectacular dumb-f*** to be hunting around for a nail and a rock to fix a chain -- on purpose. You have to be about that dumb to take off into the wilderness of Cameron Park without any water on a hot day. The mortality rate in your suburb must be about 50%.

-- Jay Beattie.



I rather carry an extra bottle of water, dextrose tablets and such
in case I find a hiker who grossly underestimated their hydration
and energy need. There were a few. One of them was already passed
out on the ground.

And he or she wasn't eaten by a mountain lion?


Out there that could have happened.


... Thank Buddha. Why not
take an automatic emergency defibrillator or some field dressings and
splints? Maybe the downed hiker needed insulin -- take some of that
too. But don't burden yourself with a 185g multi-tool.
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/u...gc lsrc=aw.ds
That would be too much and probably cause all the fasteners on your
bike to explode.


Topeak is a good brand. Most of the time. Their Pocket Rocket pump has
saved the day for many other riders. The tire levers, well, on one of
them the tip broke off :-(

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Joerg is lion-resistant
It happens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW4G_nWJYZA

On 22/11/16 07:22, Doug Landau wrote:

Joerg is lion-resistant
It happens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW4G_nWJYZA


Is that like being water resistant? ISTM that eventually, everything
that is water resistant leaks.

--
JS