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Curiosity Killed the Cat
Frank,
With all of this talk about heating the bottom bracket to get it apart why didn't you explain and show the calculation that demonstrated that the steel cup and the aluminum bottom bracket tube hung on an aluminum frame would have a difference in expansion of a couple of thousandths of an inch max even if you COULD get the aluminum to heat faster than the steel cup? After all, if you blow hot air down there the steel cup with a much lower conduction rate would be getting warmer than the frame with aluminum having between four and six times the heat conduction of hardened steel and there only being a 44% difference in expansion rates to begin with. This is something that's right up your alley while we had all these things from using a hair dryer to a welding torch trying to light the frame on fire. Since an 80 C warming difference in expansion would only be a couple mils and what normally jams these cups in is rust expansion from water leaking down the seat tube and onto the threads that are slightly in the open part of the seat tube and bottom bracket interface, this expansion can easily be twice or more what the expansion could ever achieve even if you could get the bottom bracket significantly warmer than the cup. Or where you sitting back and enjoying the show? This assault on poor Ted with everything from lighting his frame on fire to pounding it into flakes with a hammer was pretty entertaining as long as you weren't Ted unaware that most of the help here isn't since the exit of Jobst and Sheldon. |
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On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 1:22:14 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Frank, With all of this talk about heating the bottom bracket to get it apart why didn't you explain and show the calculation that demonstrated that the steel cup and the aluminum bottom bracket tube hung on an aluminum frame would have a difference in expansion of a couple of thousandths of an inch max even if you COULD get the aluminum to heat faster than the steel cup? After all, if you blow hot air down there the steel cup with a much lower conduction rate would be getting warmer than the frame with aluminum having between four and six times the heat conduction of hardened steel and there only being a 44% difference in expansion rates to begin with. This is something that's right up your alley while we had all these things from using a hair dryer to a welding torch trying to light the frame on fire. Since an 80 C warming difference in expansion would only be a couple mils and what normally jams these cups in is rust expansion from water leaking down the seat tube and onto the threads that are slightly in the open part of the seat tube and bottom bracket interface, this expansion can easily be twice or more what the expansion could ever achieve even if you could get the bottom bracket significantly warmer than the cup. Or where you sitting back and enjoying the show? This assault on poor Ted with everything from lighting his frame on fire to pounding it into flakes with a hammer was pretty entertaining as long as you weren't Ted unaware that most of the help here isn't since the exit of Jobst and Sheldon. How does the title of this thread relate to the subject? |
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wrote in message ... Frank, With all of this talk about heating the bottom bracket to get it apart why didn't you explain and show the calculation that demonstrated that the steel cup and the aluminum bottom bracket tube hung on an aluminum frame would have a difference in expansion of a couple of thousandths of an inch max even if you COULD get the aluminum to heat faster than the steel cup? After all, if you blow hot air down there the steel cup with a much lower conduction rate would be getting warmer than the frame with aluminum having between four and six times the heat conduction of hardened steel and there only being a 44% difference in expansion rates to begin with. This is something that's right up your alley while we had all these things from using a hair dryer to a welding torch trying to light the frame on fire. Since an 80 C warming difference in expansion would only be a couple mils and what normally jams these cups in is rust expansion from water leaking down the seat tube and onto the threads that are slightly in the open part of the seat tube and bottom bracket interface, this expansion can easily be twice or more what the expansion could ever achieve even if you could get the bottom bracket significantly warmer than the cup. Or where you sitting back and enjoying the show? This assault on poor Ted with everything from lighting his frame on fire to pounding it into flakes with a hammer was pretty entertaining as long as you weren't Ted unaware that most of the help here isn't since the exit of Jobst and Sheldon. As usual; you've painted a very different picture to what was actually said. |
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On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 1:31:51 PM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 1:22:14 PM UTC-8, wrote: Frank, With all of this talk about heating the bottom bracket to get it apart why didn't you explain and show the calculation that demonstrated that the steel cup and the aluminum bottom bracket tube hung on an aluminum frame would have a difference in expansion of a couple of thousandths of an inch max even if you COULD get the aluminum to heat faster than the steel cup? After all, if you blow hot air down there the steel cup with a much lower conduction rate would be getting warmer than the frame with aluminum having between four and six times the heat conduction of hardened steel and there only being a 44% difference in expansion rates to begin with. This is something that's right up your alley while we had all these things from using a hair dryer to a welding torch trying to light the frame on fire. Since an 80 C warming difference in expansion would only be a couple mils and what normally jams these cups in is rust expansion from water leaking down the seat tube and onto the threads that are slightly in the open part of the seat tube and bottom bracket interface, this expansion can easily be twice or more what the expansion could ever achieve even if you could get the bottom bracket significantly warmer than the cup. Or where you sitting back and enjoying the show? This assault on poor Ted with everything from lighting his frame on fire to pounding it into flakes with a hammer was pretty entertaining as long as you weren't Ted unaware that most of the help here isn't since the exit of Jobst and Sheldon. How does the title of this thread relate to the subject? Doug, are you unaware that Frank is a mechanical engineer who could have readily calculated the difference in expansion rates across an inch and an half adjustable cup, known the difference in the coefficient of expansion the lack of heat conduction across the thread barrier and the extreme difficulty in getting an aluminum frame to heat more than the steel bottom bracket cup? If you do not understand these and these lunatic suggestions to Ted on how to "loosen" his bottom bracket I don't have to wonder why YOU don't have any curiosity about it. I can only conclude that Frank was getting a good laugh at everyone else but me and Andrew. Luckily Ted seemed to take it all in good humor. |
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On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 1:34:37 PM UTC-8, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:
wrote in message ... Frank, With all of this talk about heating the bottom bracket to get it apart why didn't you explain and show the calculation that demonstrated that the steel cup and the aluminum bottom bracket tube hung on an aluminum frame would have a difference in expansion of a couple of thousandths of an inch max even if you COULD get the aluminum to heat faster than the steel cup? After all, if you blow hot air down there the steel cup with a much lower conduction rate would be getting warmer than the frame with aluminum having between four and six times the heat conduction of hardened steel and there only being a 44% difference in expansion rates to begin with. This is something that's right up your alley while we had all these things from using a hair dryer to a welding torch trying to light the frame on fire. Since an 80 C warming difference in expansion would only be a couple mils and what normally jams these cups in is rust expansion from water leaking down the seat tube and onto the threads that are slightly in the open part of the seat tube and bottom bracket interface, this expansion can easily be twice or more what the expansion could ever achieve even if you could get the bottom bracket significantly warmer than the cup. Or where you sitting back and enjoying the show? This assault on poor Ted with everything from lighting his frame on fire to pounding it into flakes with a hammer was pretty entertaining as long as you weren't Ted unaware that most of the help here isn't since the exit of Jobst and Sheldon. As usual; you've painted a very different picture to what was actually said. And as usual you don't even remember your last postings. Why don't you go hit your bike with a hammer. |
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wrote in message ... On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 1:34:37 PM UTC-8, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: wrote in message ... Frank, With all of this talk about heating the bottom bracket to get it apart why didn't you explain and show the calculation that demonstrated that the steel cup and the aluminum bottom bracket tube hung on an aluminum frame would have a difference in expansion of a couple of thousandths of an inch max even if you COULD get the aluminum to heat faster than the steel cup? After all, if you blow hot air down there the steel cup with a much lower conduction rate would be getting warmer than the frame with aluminum having between four and six times the heat conduction of hardened steel and there only being a 44% difference in expansion rates to begin with. This is something that's right up your alley while we had all these things from using a hair dryer to a welding torch trying to light the frame on fire. Since an 80 C warming difference in expansion would only be a couple mils and what normally jams these cups in is rust expansion from water leaking down the seat tube and onto the threads that are slightly in the open part of the seat tube and bottom bracket interface, this expansion can easily be twice or more what the expansion could ever achieve even if you could get the bottom bracket significantly warmer than the cup. Or where you sitting back and enjoying the show? This assault on poor Ted with everything from lighting his frame on fire to pounding it into flakes with a hammer was pretty entertaining as long as you weren't Ted unaware that most of the help here isn't since the exit of Jobst and Sheldon. As usual; you've painted a very different picture to what was actually said. And as usual you don't even remember your last postings. Why don't you go hit your bike with a hammer. Why not - you've already hit your head with one. |
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On 1/12/2017 3:31 PM, Doug Landau wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 1:22:14 PM UTC-8, wrote: Frank, With all of this talk about heating the bottom bracket to get it apart why didn't you explain and show the calculation that demonstrated that the steel cup and the aluminum bottom bracket tube hung on an aluminum frame would have a difference in expansion of a couple of thousandths of an inch max even if you COULD get the aluminum to heat faster than the steel cup? After all, if you blow hot air down there the steel cup with a much lower conduction rate would be getting warmer than the frame with aluminum having between four and six times the heat conduction of hardened steel and there only being a 44% difference in expansion rates to begin with. This is something that's right up your alley while we had all these things from using a hair dryer to a welding torch trying to light the frame on fire. Since an 80 C warming difference in expansion would only be a couple mils and what normally jams these cups in is rust expansion from water leaking down the seat tube and onto the threads that are slightly in the open part of the seat tube and bottom bracket interface, this expansion can easily be twice or more what the expansion could ever achieve even if you could get the bottom bracket significantly warmer than the cup. Or where you sitting back and enjoying the show? This assault on poor Ted with everything from lighting his frame on fire to pounding it into flakes with a hammer was pretty entertaining as long as you weren't Ted unaware that most of the help here isn't since the exit of Jobst and Sheldon. How does the title of this thread relate to the subject? Long leadup to: Mrs Schrodinger asked, "What have you done to the cat? She looks half-dead." -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 1:49:12 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 1:31:51 PM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote: On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 1:22:14 PM UTC-8, wrote: Frank, With all of this talk about heating the bottom bracket to get it apart why didn't you explain and show the calculation that demonstrated that the steel cup and the aluminum bottom bracket tube hung on an aluminum frame would have a difference in expansion of a couple of thousandths of an inch max even if you COULD get the aluminum to heat faster than the steel cup? After all, if you blow hot air down there the steel cup with a much lower conduction rate would be getting warmer than the frame with aluminum having between four and six times the heat conduction of hardened steel and there only being a 44% difference in expansion rates to begin with. This is something that's right up your alley while we had all these things from using a hair dryer to a welding torch trying to light the frame on fire. Since an 80 C warming difference in expansion would only be a couple mils and what normally jams these cups in is rust expansion from water leaking down the seat tube and onto the threads that are slightly in the open part of the seat tube and bottom bracket interface, this expansion can easily be twice or more what the expansion could ever achieve even if you could get the bottom bracket significantly warmer than the cup. Or where you sitting back and enjoying the show? This assault on poor Ted with everything from lighting his frame on fire to pounding it into flakes with a hammer was pretty entertaining as long as you weren't Ted unaware that most of the help here isn't since the exit of Jobst and Sheldon. How does the title of this thread relate to the subject? Doug, are you unaware that Frank is a mechanical engineer who could have readily calculated the difference in expansion rates across an inch and an half adjustable cup, known the difference in the coefficient of expansion the lack of heat conduction across the thread barrier and the extreme difficulty in getting an aluminum frame to heat more than the steel bottom bracket cup? I am aware of that, Tom! I am also aware that Frank likes to debate and is good at it and tends to not play all his cards at once. He might well have ran the calculation and then not disclosed the #s, thus far. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFxcJp2VQPU |
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:00:13 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/12/2017 3:31 PM, Doug Landau wrote: How does the title of this thread relate to the subject? Long leadup to: Mrs Schrodinger asked, "What have you done to the cat? She looks half-dead." LOL! Post of the week! |
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On 13/01/17 09:00, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/12/2017 3:31 PM, Doug Landau wrote: On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 1:22:14 PM UTC-8, wrote: Frank, With all of this talk about heating the bottom bracket to get it apart why didn't you explain and show the calculation that demonstrated that the steel cup and the aluminum bottom bracket tube hung on an aluminum frame would have a difference in expansion of a couple of thousandths of an inch max even if you COULD get the aluminum to heat faster than the steel cup? After all, if you blow hot air down there the steel cup with a much lower conduction rate would be getting warmer than the frame with aluminum having between four and six times the heat conduction of hardened steel and there only being a 44% difference in expansion rates to begin with. This is something that's right up your alley while we had all these things from using a hair dryer to a welding torch trying to light the frame on fire. Since an 80 C warming difference in expansion would only be a couple mils and what normally jams these cups in is rust expansion from water leaking down the seat tube and onto the threads that are slightly in the open part of the seat tube and bottom bracket interface, this expansion can easily be twice or more what the expansion could ever achieve even if you could get the bottom bracket significantly warmer than the cup. Or where you sitting back and enjoying the show? This assault on poor Ted with everything from lighting his frame on fire to pounding it into flakes with a hammer was pretty entertaining as long as you weren't Ted unaware that most of the help here isn't since the exit of Jobst and Sheldon. How does the title of this thread relate to the subject? Long leadup to: Mrs Schrodinger asked, "What have you done to the cat? She looks half-dead." Which half? -- JS |
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