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Old October 4th 15, 03:58 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Even cyclists are asking for number plates

http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co....umber_plates_/
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Old October 5th 15, 04:18 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bret Cahill
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Default Even cyclists are asking for number plates

http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co....umber_plates_/

Do it on a voluntary basis, kind of like those ID tags used by employees in a lot of industries so the public knows the unknown guy is accountable. Maybe 0.25% of the public bothers to pull out a smart device and check. Has anyone heard of any crimes committed by someone with a fake ID? It could be happening and just not be getting reported.

Some businesses require their reps to drive but it's mostly because vehicles have tags. As it is now if a rep wants to cycle he has to park his bicycle several blocks away and then, if asked, mumble something like "the last job was around the corner and it was easier to just walk."

This response is not risk free on short trips but it isn't a worry on longer trips. No one is going to believe you cycled 40 miles, changed into dress clothes under a bridge, did the job, changed back into Lycra and the cycled back home.

One purely academic ethical question:

Is was wrong to claim mileage when you're cycling instead of driving? Consider wear and tear on the bicycle, high carb diet, etc.














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Old October 5th 15, 01:24 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 05/10/2015 04:18, Bret Cahill wrote:

http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co....umber_plates_/

Do it on a voluntary basis, kind of like those ID tags used by employees in a lot of industries so the public knows the unknown guy is accountable. Maybe 0.25% of the public bothers to pull out a smart device and check. Has anyone heard of any crimes committed by someone with a fake ID? It could be happening and just not be getting reported.

Some businesses require their reps to drive but it's mostly because vehicles have tags. As it is now if a rep wants to cycle he has to park his bicycle several blocks away and then, if asked, mumble something like "the last job was around the corner and it was easier to just walk."

This response is not risk free on short trips but it isn't a worry on longer trips. No one is going to believe you cycled 40 miles, changed into dress clothes under a bridge, did the job, changed back into Lycra and the cycled back home.

One purely academic ethical question:

Is was wrong to claim mileage when you're cycling instead of driving? Consider wear and tear on the bicycle, high carb diet, etc.


There is a school of thought which accepts both of those as factors.

The diet one is decidedly dodgy, though. Every worker expends energy.
It's part of being a worker and doing work, for which normal pay/salary
is the consideration. If the cost of food for a cyclist doing official
travel was valid (I say it isn't), manual workers who do very heavy work
would have a much better claim on "expenses" just for doing their normal
job.

The wear and tear argument is much more of a sound basis for the payment
of expenses, subject to a fixed limit (just as applies with motor
vehicles, even if the employee uses a vintage Bentley).
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Old October 5th 15, 01:30 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Even cyclists are asking for number plates

On Monday, 5 October 2015 04:18:09 UTC+1, Bret Cahill wrote:

One purely academic ethical question:

Is was wrong to claim mileage when you're cycling instead of driving? Consider wear and tear on the bicycle, high carb diet, etc.


QUOTE:

"Mileage allowances.

Reimburse your cyclists for using their bikes on company business. The allowance should be on a pence-per-mile basis and ideally match the rate offered for using the smallest cc car - say 35 pence per mile."

https://intranet.birmingham.ac.uk/co...yersGuide.aspx

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Old October 5th 15, 03:46 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Even cyclists are asking for number plates

On 05/10/2015 13:30, Alycidon wrote:

On Monday, 5 October 2015 04:18:09 UTC+1, Bret Cahill wrote:


One purely academic ethical question:


Is was wrong to claim mileage when you're cycling instead of driving? Consider wear and tear on the bicycle, high carb diet, etc.


QUOTE:
"Mileage allowances.
Reimburse your cyclists for using their bikes on company business. The allowance should be on a pence-per-mile basis and ideally match the rate offered for using the smallest cc car - say 35 pence per mile."
https://intranet.birmingham.ac.uk/co...yersGuide.aspx


Says who?
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Old October 5th 15, 04:16 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bret Cahill
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Default Even cyclists are asking for number plates

One purely academic ethical question:

Is was wrong to claim mileage when you're cycling instead of driving? Consider wear and tear on the bicycle, high carb diet, etc.


QUOTE:

"Mileage allowances.

Reimburse your cyclists for using their bikes on company business. The allowance should be on a pence-per-mile basis and ideally match the rate offered for using the smallest cc car - say 35 pence per mile."

https://intranet.birmingham.ac.uk/co...yersGuide.aspx


Thanks. I'll forward that to an acquaintance who claimed otherwise.


Bret Cahill



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Old October 5th 15, 04:25 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Even cyclists are asking for number plates

On 05/10/2015 16:16, Bret Cahill wrote:
One purely academic ethical question:

Is was wrong to claim mileage when you're cycling instead of driving? Consider wear and tear on the bicycle, high carb diet, etc.


QUOTE:

"Mileage allowances.

Reimburse your cyclists for using their bikes on company business. The allowance should be on a pence-per-mile basis and ideally match the rate offered for using the smallest cc car - say 35 pence per mile."

https://intranet.birmingham.ac.uk/co...yersGuide.aspx


Thanks. I'll forward that to an acquaintance who claimed otherwise.


Be aware that it is far from being in any sense "official".

HMRC would regard such a rate as engendering a profit and would tax it.
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Old October 5th 15, 04:45 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Even cyclists are asking for number plates

On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 05:30:52 -0700 (PDT), Alycidon wrote:
On Monday, 5 October 2015 04:18:09 UTC+1, Bret Cahill wrote:

One purely academic ethical question:

Is was wrong to claim mileage when you're cycling instead of
driving? Consider wear and tear on the bicycle, high carb diet,
etc.


QUOTE:

"Mileage allowances.

Reimburse your cyclists for using their bikes on company business.
The allowance should be on a pence-per-mile basis and ideally match
the rate offered for using the smallest cc car - say 35 pence per
mile."


If you do that it will be a taxable benefit. The HMRC limit for
cycling is 20p/mile.

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Old October 5th 15, 04:45 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Even cyclists are asking for number plates

On 05/10/2015 16:25, JNugent wrote:
On 05/10/2015 16:16, Bret Cahill wrote:
One purely academic ethical question:

Is was wrong to claim mileage when you're cycling instead of
driving? Consider wear and tear on the bicycle, high carb diet, etc.

QUOTE:

"Mileage allowances.

Reimburse your cyclists for using their bikes on company business.
The allowance should be on a pence-per-mile basis and ideally match
the rate offered for using the smallest cc car - say 35 pence per mile."

https://intranet.birmingham.ac.uk/co...yersGuide.aspx


Thanks. I'll forward that to an acquaintance who claimed otherwise.


Be aware that it is far from being in any sense "official".

HMRC would regard such a rate as engendering a profit and would tax it.



OMG! Don't mention paying tax to a cyclist! He'll have a conniption fit!
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Old October 5th 15, 04:50 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Alycidon
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Default Even cyclists are asking for number plates

On Monday, 5 October 2015 16:47:08 UTC+1, Ian Smith wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 05:30:52 -0700 (PDT), Alycidon wrote:
On Monday, 5 October 2015 04:18:09 UTC+1, Bret Cahill wrote:

One purely academic ethical question:

Is was wrong to claim mileage when you're cycling instead of
driving? Consider wear and tear on the bicycle, high carb diet,
etc.


QUOTE:

"Mileage allowances.

Reimburse your cyclists for using their bikes on company business.
The allowance should be on a pence-per-mile basis and ideally match
the rate offered for using the smallest cc car - say 35 pence per
mile."


If you do that it will be a taxable benefit. The HMRC limit for
cycling is 20p/mile.


The long arm of the HRMC does not extend to Bret's neck of the woods in SW USA.



 




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