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Were Nottingham Raleigh wheels machine or hand built?
I have a set of wheels that had apparently done 30k miles since being
fitted from new one a Raleigh Superbe from 1980. No broken spokes and a heck of a lot of curbs and potholes.Could Raleigh have had its wheels built by hand or by that time were they automated? Does anyone have any knowledge that might shed light on this. cheers, Nick. |
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Were Nottingham Raleigh wheels machine or hand built?
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I have a set of wheels that had apparently done 30k miles since being fitted from new one a Raleigh Superbe from 1980. No broken spokes and a heck of a lot of curbs and potholes.Could Raleigh have had its wheels built by hand or by that time were they automated? Does anyone have any knowledge that might shed light on this. It matters not. Whether parts of the assembly were automated to a greater or lesser degree, the standards for tension, roundness and lateral runout, choice of rim, spoke and nipple, thread lubrication and dealer final prep, possibly including stress relief, are all magnitudes more significant. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Were Nottingham Raleigh wheels machine or hand built?
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I have a set of wheels that had apparently done 30k miles since being fitted from new one a Raleigh Superbe from 1980. No broken spokes and a heck of a lot of curbs and potholes.Could Raleigh have had its wheels built by hand or by that time were they automated? Does anyone have any knowledge that might shed light on this. cheers, Nick. Nigel Cliffe wrote: Intelligent guess, would be manual at that stage. Raleigh was a pretty traditional manufacturer, and much British industry was still hanging onto very old practises in 1980. If my memory is correct, Suberbe's were gents roadsters with hub gears, so the wheels wouldn't have been particularly light weight, and the hub gear means the spoke loading at the rear is symmetrical, both factors which would help their long life. - Nigel (at school in a town about 30 miles from the Raleigh factory in 1980) The Superbe name was used twice. The British-built Superbe was Raleigh's premium "A" line Sports model with Brooks B.66, Sturmey AW-3, GH-6 DynoHub, fork lock and painted to match steel rear carrier. Colors included the rich Calypso Coffee - a deep metallic color. Nice bike! Always sold well here. The later Superbe from Raleigh Industries of America was a Japanese hand brazed lugged frame in butted Tange tube. The later Superbe was, AFAIK, the first production bike with a Suntour Superbe 2x7 gear train. That model was offered in a 'cromovelato' finish - all chrome frame with a translucent gold lacquer rinse - stunning! 'hanging on to old practices' - In 1980, Raleigh's USA division insisted that their #1 volume bike, Raleigh Record Ace, move from England to Japan. It was renamed Super Record(!) Same general spec but much lighter and the finish work was much better, same price, same Suntour Seven 2x5 gear train withsteel wheels, $219. That year the Japanese Raleigh Gran Sport was slipped between the Super Record and the British Gran Prix. That was the end of Gran Prix sales. The Asian model, a Super Record with aluminum rims, was lighter, better looking, assembled much faster and cost less, $249. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Were Nottingham Raleigh wheels machine or hand built?
A Muzi wrote:
wrote: I have a set of wheels that had apparently done 30k miles since being fitted from new one a Raleigh Superbe from 1980. No broken spokes and a heck of a lot of curbs and potholes.Could Raleigh have had its wheels built by hand or by that time were they automated? Does anyone have any knowledge that might shed light on this. cheers, Nick. Nigel Cliffe wrote: Intelligent guess, would be manual at that stage. Raleigh was a pretty traditional manufacturer, and much British industry was still hanging onto very old practises in 1980. If my memory is correct, Suberbe's were gents roadsters with hub gears, so the wheels wouldn't have been particularly light weight, and the hub gear means the spoke loading at the rear is symmetrical, both factors which would help their long life. - Nigel (at school in a town about 30 miles from the Raleigh factory in 1980) The Superbe name was used twice. The British-built Superbe was Raleigh's premium "A" line Sports model with Brooks B.66, Sturmey AW-3, GH-6 DynoHub, fork lock and painted to match steel rear carrier. Colors included the rich Calypso Coffee - a deep metallic color. Nice bike! Always sold well here. The later Superbe from Raleigh Industries of America was a Japanese hand brazed lugged frame in butted Tange tube. The later Superbe was, AFAIK, the first production bike with a Suntour Superbe 2x7 gear train. That model was offered in a 'cromovelato' finish - all chrome frame with a translucent gold lacquer rinse - stunning! 'hanging on to old practices' - In 1980, Raleigh's USA division insisted that their #1 volume bike, Raleigh Record Ace, move from England to Japan. It was renamed Super Record(!) Same general spec but much lighter and the finish work was much better, same price, same Suntour Seven 2x5 gear train withsteel wheels, $219. That year the Japanese Raleigh Gran Sport was slipped between the Super Record and the British Gran Prix. That was the end of Gran Prix sales. The Asian model, a Super Record with aluminum rims, was lighter, better looking, assembled much faster and cost less, $249. OOPS- correction I checked that and the first year 1980 gold Superbe was 2x6, the similar 1980 'Touring 14' model was the first 2x7. "Getting old is not for sissies' - Katherine Hepburn -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Were Nottingham Raleigh wheels machine or hand built?
this Superbe is definitely English and has a rear Dynohub so the
spokes do have different tensions on the rear wheel, and still no broken spokes. The rims are the better stainless Vanschothorsts Westricks(far stronger and more durable than alloy) which with Schwalbe Marathon plus tyres weigh about 3-4kg with spokes and hub. I think last time i weighed my runabout it weighed 40lbs bare and 58lbs with panniers and fishing kit with 235+lbs rider, so they take a hefty load at nearly 300lbs. Don't tandems take less than that, ha. I was just thinking that considering the scale of the Raleigh output, in the UK anyway, they must of had quite a few wheelbuilders to keep up with production. On the subject of wheelbuilding, does anyone know what the spoke length should be for a Sturmey 40H AW hub, 26 1 3/8 , iso 590 rim using 3 cross 13g. The spoke length calcs give it at 282 but i've measured a broken spoke and it is in the 285-287mm range. Thanks for the reply, cheers Nick. |
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Were Nottingham Raleigh wheels machine or hand built?
A Muzi writes:
OOPS- correction I checked that and the first year 1980 gold Superbe was 2x6, the similar 1980 'Touring 14' model was the first 2x7. "Getting old is not for sissies' - Katherine Hepburn Sorry Andy, first year was 1979. It's on "list of lusted-after items", that's why I know : http://www.ece.ubc.ca/~gillies/ralei...ro_superbe.jpg - Don Gillies San diego, CA, USA |
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