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Triple Bypass compared to Markleeville Death Ride
Anyone ridden both and would like to offer a comparison?
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Triple Bypass compared to Markleeville Death Ride
I forgot to say I just rode the Triple Bypass on Saturday so I am
pretty familiar with it. If anyone has ridden both the Markleeville Death Ride and Triple Bypass I would like to hear a comparison of the two rides. mark wrote: wrote: Anyone ridden both and would like to offer a comparison? I've ridden the Triple and heard a little about the Markleeville Death Ride. The Triple is 115-120 miles (117 by my computer) of mostly well paved, modern 2 lane roads, bike paths and a short stretch of Interstate Highway (I-70 approaching Loveland Pass / Loveland ski area). Squaw Pass is 9807ft/2989m above sea level, Loveland Pass is 11,990 ft/3654m above sea level, and Vail Pass is 10,666 ft/ 3251m above sea level, so altitude related issues (acclimatization, sunburn, extremes of weather) are going to be more of a factor on the Triple than on the Markleeville ride. Weather was pretty bad last Saturday. But with proper clothing, easily managed. Lots of people seemed to not have proper clothing. Seemed odd to me since about 80% of the people are from Colorado. Apparently Colorado bicyclists don't ride in the mountains. Or expect sunshine and 80 degrees when they do. The roads used by the Triple are not especially steep as mountain roads go (8% max). I believe the roads used by the Markleeville ride are steeper. Triple Bypass was not a difficult ride for someone in condition. The Triple is a point to point ride, you have to either arrange for friends/family to transport you back to the start area, or use the charter bus that Team Evergreen provides (plan on around $100 for the bus). I think Markleeville is a loop. $70 for the bus to take you and your bike back to Bergen Park elementary school. Left at 8:30 PM on 7/8/06. The Triple is superbly organized and catered, parking at the start & finish and transport back to the start are really well done, aid stations are lavishly stocked, and the post ride dinner is excellent. Parking at the beginning was on a muddy, grassy field behind the school. Entrance to it was via a muddy, gravel lane over a curb. Food was very good but not what I prefer on 120 mile rides. From Idaho Springs to Georgetown you pass several convenience stores but this is between 30 and 45 miles so you don't need alternative places to stop. At the 82 mile mark the bike path is close to Frisco so you could go off course an find a convenience store probably. Not sure how far off course. At mile 90 you pass by a restaurant in Copper Mountain ski resort. At Mile 110 you pass a Conoco convenience store. I prefer the opportunity for alternative foods on long rides. HTH, feel free to ask for more info. mark |
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"Jay Beattie" wrote in message
ups.com... wrote: I forgot to say I just rode the Triple Bypass on Saturday so I am pretty familiar with it. If anyone has ridden both the Markleeville Death Ride and Triple Bypass I would like to hear a comparison of the two rides. mark wrote: wrote: Anyone ridden both and would like to offer a comparison? I have ridden the Death Ride a couple of times (including a six pass version), but I have not ridden the Triple Bypass, although I have ridden in the area and over a number of Colorado passes -- mostly while riding across the United States. I found that climbing in Colorado was relatively easy with long grades with pitches below 8%. You already know this. The elevations and scenery were spectacular, but the climbs were not. Markleeville has pitches over 20% on parts of Ebbets and on Pacific Grade (if they are still running on that part of the "course"). The more mild climbs are in the 8% range, and the back side of Monitor is 12 miles (IIRC) of real climbing with only a short flat between the false summit and the top. It is far more "craggy" than the Rockies with lots of granite and the usual Sierra scrub and some beautiful blue lakes -- and probably hotter than the Rockies. Dramatic in a different way than the Rockies. The Death Ride has been around for a long time and is exceptionally well run. The whole town turns out to support the ride -- people run next to you over the summit of Monitor Pass to hand up bottles. There is a cheering crowd -- very festive. Lots of great food and free Cytomax, which had my stomach in a knot after a while (along with the icecream bars, mmmmm, icecream bars). Downsides are cattle grates and heat and that annoying climb up to Hope Valley after lunch to start the climb up Carson Pass. The descent, though, is awesome. I got up to almost 62mph on Carson and was always above 50mph on Monitor, which has a very nice road surface, but, again, cattle grates (just stay loose through the shoulders). Ebbets twist so much that it is hard to get going too fast. The last time I did it was many years ago, the "Death Ride the 13th" which was six passes and about 150 miles and 19K of climbing. The hard part for me was not all the climbing but rather adjusting to the altitude and the heat. I had been riding in Yosemite the week before, so I was better off than if I had come from sea level. -- Jay Beattie. I have done the Triple many times and Markleeville once and have described the death ride as a Triple Bypass on steroids but it really has alot to do with how you handle the altitude in Colorado vs. the steeper grades in Markleeville. I live in Colorado and ride portions of the triple course regularly. So when we ventured out to Markleeville a few years back it was a nice change. The scenery is so different, the mountains and the vegetation are completely different in California, which we really enjoyed. The previous poster was correct in that the Death Ride has steeper grades than the Triple, but my wife and I didn't suffer as much as we expected possibly due to living around 6500'. I didn't know you could pave roads that steep until I visited Markleeville. I really enjoyed the partially closed course for Markleeville. It was hotter in California than what we are used to mountain riding in Colorado. The Triple this year was miserable due to rain all day(very unusual). Usually you get rain later in the afternoon coming into Vail. I think they are both great rides due to organization, difficulty and views, but I would choose Markleeville if I had to. I think if you are prepared for one, you will do fine at the other. It is more difficult to bail early at the Triple. You would need personal support. Markleeville does give you the option to bail numerous times. Also as previously stated, for the Triple you would need a shuttle back to the start or do what we have done, drive to Vail a couple of days ahead of time to drop a car and ride home to Evergreen(about 100 miles the short route avoiding Squaw Pass). If this sounds stupid, there is a person who regularly rides from Vail to Evergreen starting in the wee hours and does the triple on the way back (Dawes Wilson). The Triple does have a section where you ride on the shoulder to I-70 which is unnerving at best. There are two sections where you are on narrow bike paths which is also not as nice as having a full size road. The more challenging of these is the descent into Vail on a bike path where you would like to let it all hang out, but you have to be careful, especially since it is late in the day, and sometimes get caught in an afternoon shower at 9 - 10,000'. I don't think you get the town support feel in the Triple as you do in Markleeville. The Death Ride really supports local organizations. The Triple donated tens of thousands of $$(I believe 90K last year) to local charities but not to one town like Markleeville does. Andy |
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"Jay Beattie" wrote:
Markleeville has pitches over 20% on parts of Ebbets and on Pacific Grade (if they are still running on that part of the "course"). Ebbetts itself isn't all that steep, the stuff over 20% is on Pacific Grade (east side). Death Ride route doesn't go as far as Pacific Grade. It climbs Ebbetts, descends to Hermit Valley, then turns around before reaching the base of Pacific Grade. It's too bad, Pacific Grade is the prettiest section of that road. Death Riders miss out on Mosquito and Alpine Lakes. If I were running the Death Ride, I'd take out the Carson climb and instead go all the way to Bear Valley. With both sides of Monitor, that would make six passes. That's the route we're doing this Saturday, on Kiss of Death: Markleville to Bear Valley and back, with a side trip up Monitor. That's my favorite day, with all the beautiful vistas, rocks, snow, trees, lakes, canyons. I've taken Carson Pass off the route sheet this time, opting instead to go to deserted Blue Lakes Road on Monday morning, when the traffic through Hope Valley is pretty light. I agree with your assessment of Colorado climbs. They're long but not terribly steep. For both long and steep, I've found nothing in the Lower 48 that compares with the Eastern Sierra. But I'll keep looking. -- terry morse - Undiscovered Country Tours - http://udctours.com/ |
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Terry Morse wrote: "Jay Beattie" wrote: Markleeville has pitches over 20% on parts of Ebbets and on Pacific Grade (if they are still running on that part of the "course"). Ebbetts itself isn't all that steep, the stuff over 20% is on Pacific Grade (east side). Death Ride route doesn't go as far as Pacific Grade. It climbs Ebbetts, descends to Hermit Valley, then turns around before reaching the base of Pacific Grade. It looks like they have changed the course a bit since the last time I did it. No Luther Pass and no Pacific Grade, which was counted as part of the back side of Ebbets on the 1994 six pass Death Ride the Thirteenth. You went past Hermit Valley and about half way up Pacific Grade and then turned around. There is one pitch from the east where you hit a hairpin and basically look straight in to the grade like you are climbing a ladder. I think I went that far, but I could be remembering doing the climb on some other ride. I used to live in the Bay Area, too, and would ride around in the Sierra on short tours. There is no place like the Sierra -- you can do a giant loop through Yosemite and all these Markleeville passes and then go to Tahoe and drink and gamble. What a life! -- Jay Beattie. |
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"Terry Morse" wrote in message ... "Jay Beattie" wrote: Markleeville has pitches over 20% on parts of Ebbets and on Pacific Grade (if they are still running on that part of the "course"). Ebbetts itself isn't all that steep, the stuff over 20% is on Pacific Grade (east side). Death Ride route doesn't go as far as Pacific Grade. It climbs Ebbetts, descends to Hermit Valley, then turns around before reaching the base of Pacific Grade. It's too bad, Pacific Grade is the prettiest section of that road. Death Riders miss out on Mosquito and Alpine Lakes. If I were running the Death Ride, I'd take out the Carson climb and instead go all the way to Bear Valley. With both sides of Monitor, that would make six passes. That's the route we're doing this Saturday, on Kiss of Death: Markleville to Bear Valley and back, with a side trip up Monitor. That's my favorite day, with all the beautiful vistas, rocks, snow, trees, lakes, canyons. I've taken Carson Pass off the route sheet this time, opting instead to go to deserted Blue Lakes Road on Monday morning, when the traffic through Hope Valley is pretty light. I agree with your assessment of Colorado climbs. They're long but not terribly steep. For both long and steep, I've found nothing in the Lower 48 that compares with the Eastern Sierra. But I'll keep looking. -- terry morse - Undiscovered Country Tours - http://udctours.com/ How about these: Wolf Creek Pass on US 160 east of Pagosa Springs, 10,850 feet at a 6.5% grade. It's still on my to-do list. Independence Pass, Leadville-Twin Lakes to Aspen, 12,095 feet, 32 miles. Chas. |
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* * Chas wrote:
"Terry Morse" wrote in message ... "Jay Beattie" wrote: Markleeville has pitches over 20% on parts of Ebbets and on Pacific Grade (if they are still running on that part of the "course"). Ebbetts itself isn't all that steep, the stuff over 20% is on Pacific Grade (east side). Death Ride route doesn't go as far as Pacific Grade. It climbs Ebbetts, descends to Hermit Valley, then turns around before reaching the base of Pacific Grade. It's too bad, Pacific Grade is the prettiest section of that road. Death Riders miss out on Mosquito and Alpine Lakes. If I were running the Death Ride, I'd take out the Carson climb and instead go all the way to Bear Valley. With both sides of Monitor, that would make six passes. That's the route we're doing this Saturday, on Kiss of Death: Markleville to Bear Valley and back, with a side trip up Monitor. That's my favorite day, with all the beautiful vistas, rocks, snow, trees, lakes, canyons. I've taken Carson Pass off the route sheet this time, opting instead to go to deserted Blue Lakes Road on Monday morning, when the traffic through Hope Valley is pretty light. I agree with your assessment of Colorado climbs. They're long but not terribly steep. For both long and steep, I've found nothing in the Lower 48 that compares with the Eastern Sierra. But I'll keep looking. -- terry morse - Undiscovered Country Tours - http://udctours.com/ How about these: Wolf Creek Pass on US 160 east of Pagosa Springs, 10,850 feet at a 6.5% grade. It's still on my to-do list. Its a fine ride. I rode up it from Pagosa Springs back in 1997 on a loaded touring bike. The ride from Pagosa to the official start is about 10 miles or so. All at an uphill grade. Probably climbed 1000 or more feet in that distance. But the Wolf Creek pass is not steep in any section. Its about 10 miles long. Fairly constant climb. Takes time and effort to get up it. I liked the climb due to the song by C.W. McCall. If you are going to be in that SW part of Colorado for bicycling, there are some challenging climbs. Mainly due to the length and mileage as opposed to steepness. And scenic climbs. Gunnison to Hotchkiss through the Black Canyon park is very scenic and minimal traffic. No services for a long, long stretch so be prepared. Grand Mesa near Delta and Montrose. Ouray to Silverton over Red Mountain Pass is very scenic. Gunnison to Creede through Lake City is very long, 110 miles, and lots of up. The climb from Lake City over Slumgullion Pass is fairly steep. This could be a two day ride, Gunnison-Lake City, Lake City-Creede or a bit further. To the west of Durango and Ouray is the Telluride area. Independence Pass, Leadville-Twin Lakes to Aspen, 12,095 feet, 32 miles. Chas. |
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