So Long Tubulars?

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 2:56:53 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 09:10:41 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 3:44:22 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 00:01:27 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 5:59:53 PM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote:

so here is a quote that Brandt
made back in the glory days:

. Oh, you mean this guy:

Thomas H Munich, Born: Oct 1944
3539 Monterey Blvd
San Alejandro CA94578
510) 351-3807

http://tinyurl.com/8rwo2

I thought we had gotten over him, now that we have other
contributors who are equally rude and obnoxious, always carping
while offering no useful information. A few names come to mind.

Jobs Brandt

, DEC 26, 2005


Kind of unrelated to the content of this thread. But looking at this Jobst quote, the guy he is complaining about is only 61 when written. I am pretty sure ALL of the dirty old *******s I ride with are at least that old. I'm the youngster, and I'm not that young anymore. Sadly. Its very depressing that everyone is so F---ing old now.

Yes, he was born in 1944 and is this year 75 years old and as a
general statement males seem to become more garrulous with age, and
Brandt describes the chap as being rude, obnoxious and always
carping, which appear to be an apt description today. :-)
--

Cheers,

John B.

Only with jackasses like you or Frank whose entire purpose on this group is to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about when you don't have a clue even what I'm saying.

Goodness Tom, I'd think that you would be grateful to both Frank and I
for telling you what you don't know. Educating you, as it were.

But then, you have bragged about being a high school drop out so maybe
"learning" just isn't in your frame of reference.

By the way idiot - do you even know what tubeless means?

And why should I care? After all I rarely have flat tires with
conventional tires. In fact I rarely had flats back in the "sew-up"
days.
--
cheers,

John B.

You sure seem to be pushed out of shape about how much money I was making without having to go through stupid college classes. I was listening to a radio financial advisor and a oil field lumper called in. He was making $180,000 a year himself and his wife another 80,000. Maybe you can call into that show and tell them how you got rich by going to school instead of actually doing things.

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 3:05:05 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
" you even have a close approximation of including imports from or
exports to China"?

Tom, I think, given that jumble of words, that you should be thankful
for Frank or I trying to educate you, albeit with little success, and
yes we know that you brag about being a high school drop out but what
you wrote above is certainly proof positive that you should have
stayed in school and maybe even taken some advance courses in the
English language.

Before you can educate someone you have to actually know what you're talking about and you've proven that you're more than a little short on that.

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 4:56:16 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/12/2019 5:52 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 13:35:09 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 1:13:57 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 8:52:26 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/11/2019 8:26 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 19:39:03 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 7/11/2019 5:44 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 00:01:27 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 5:59:53 PM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote:

so here is a quote that Brandt
made back in the glory days:

. Oh, you mean this guy:

Thomas H Munich, Born: Oct 1944
3539 Monterey Blvd
San Alejandro CA94578
510) 351-3807

http://tinyurl.com/8rwo2

I thought we had gotten over him, now that we have other
contributors who are equally rude and obnoxious, always carping
while offering no useful information. A few names come to mind.

Jobs Brandt

, DEC 26, 2005


Kind of unrelated to the content of this thread. But looking at this Jobst quote, the guy he is complaining about is only 61 when written. I am pretty sure ALL of the dirty old *******s I ride with are at least that old. I'm the youngster, and I'm not that young anymore. Sadly. Its very depressing that everyone is so F---ing old now.

Yes, he was born in 1944 and is this year 75 years old and as a
general statement males seem to become more garrulous with age, and
Brandt describes the chap as being rude, obnoxious and always
carping, which appear to be an apt description today. :-)
--

Cheers,

John B.


"equally rude and obnoxious, always carping"

Huh I was thinking Joe Biden who will turn 77 this year.

Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. born November 20, 1942, ex V.P

I read that:

"Whatever else one thinks of Joe Biden, the speech he delivered in New
York on Thursday showed him to be the only Democratic candidate with
his own vision on foreign policy and a full understanding of just how
badly President Donald Trump's vision is damaging U.S. interests and
values around the world."
_________________________

From here it is easy to see the results of the Trump "foreign policy"
in other countries and one thing that is happening is that more and
more exports, and likely imports, from at least Thailand and Cambodia
are going to China now as opposed to the U.S. And China is funneling
money into both countries both in the form of low cost loans and by
opening manufacturing businesses which, of course, contributes to the
local economy both in the form of taxes and by employing more locals.

Even Australia, the news yesterday recently, is considering developing
nuclear weapons as the U.S. foreign policy seems to be very "wobbly"
https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/17...uclear-weapons



I see in today's paper that for 2019 US imports from China
are down 13% while imports from ROK are up 13%, from ROC up
23%, from Vietnam up 37% and so on.

Only one of the aforementioned countries has four
supercarrier keels down with a goal of challenging USN.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

My website search has a slightly different number.

"The Associated Press reported Friday that Chinese imports from the U..S. were down 31.4 percent from the same time last year, U.S. imports from China dropped by a far lower rate — down just 7.8 percent over last year."

So it seems Trump has made the trade war much worse with his actions. We are hurting China by buying 7.8% less of their goods. Yeah Trump. But hurting USA companies even more by selling 31.4% less to China. I'm sure for 3-4 time bankrupt Trump that means he is winning. Cut off China's pinky finger. Cut off the USA hand. Winning!!!

Another economist steps forward with his educated ideas. We are buying less from China because Americans are buying more from America. This probably is something you cannot fathom. Moreover, since we are keeping more money in America we have less need to sell to foreign countries.

China HAS made a commitment to partake seriously in trade treaty negotiations.

It's plain that you don't understand anything about anything like all of the other idiot millennials.

Right Tom, more from America!

Do you remember when they were building the bridge across the bay and
someone complained about why they were buying steel from China? And
the answer was that the steel structures were not available in the
U.S.

Do you know that the largest investor in U.S. government bonds, of all
the countries in the world, is China. Some 1.11 Trillion dollars
worth. Which is to say that the U.S. owes China 1.11 trillion dollars.
As of January, 2019 there was approximately $1.70 trillion in U.S.
currency in circulation. So the U.S. owes China an amount equal to 65%
of all the U.S. currency in circulation.

Can you guess what would be the effect of China demanding that the
U.S. pay up?

Do you know anything?

--
cheers,

John B.


It's not an accident. There's no reason in hell China
should be in WTO or granted MFN. A decasdes long pattern of
predatory behavior centered on IP theft and administrative
barriers more draconian than tariffs coonclude China's
pattern of never in any instance complying with any treaty,
military or commercial.

And yet they do indeed have cash to throw around, enough to
build a Navy with a long range plan to use it. All financed
by my neighbors who can't resist 23c off for a crappy
WalMart gadget with a US flag on it.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

You're correct about the Most Favored Nation status. John doesn't seem to understand that not only does the US have the capability of making steel but the necessary skills at making BETTER steel. There was absolutely NO REASON that China should have been awarded the Oakland Bay Bridge contract. Firstly the bids with the American company were almost identical. And then after they got the contract the Chinese company redesigned the structure and more than doubled their original contract price. After it was completed every single piece of steel in the bridge was substantially sub-standard. Even the suspension wires are below standard plus they ends were improperly capped and the rain that we had flooded the suspension wires so that they are showing rust.

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 4:56:17 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 3:24:57 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/12/2019 4:07 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 1:35:11 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 1:13:57 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 8:52:26 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/11/2019 8:26 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 19:39:03 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 7/11/2019 5:44 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 00:01:27 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 5:59:53 PM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote:

so here is a quote that Brandt
made back in the glory days:

. Oh, you mean this guy:

Thomas H Munich, Born: Oct 1944
3539 Monterey Blvd
San Alejandro CA94578
510) 351-3807

http://tinyurl.com/8rwo2

I thought we had gotten over him, now that we have other
contributors who are equally rude and obnoxious, always carping
while offering no useful information. A few names come to mind.

Jobs Brandt

, DEC 26, 2005


Kind of unrelated to the content of this thread. But looking at this Jobst quote, the guy he is complaining about is only 61 when written. I am pretty sure ALL of the dirty old *******s I ride with are at least that old. I'm the youngster, and I'm not that young anymore. Sadly. Its very depressing that everyone is so F---ing old now.

Yes, he was born in 1944 and is this year 75 years old and as a
general statement males seem to become more garrulous with age, and
Brandt describes the chap as being rude, obnoxious and always
carping, which appear to be an apt description today. :-)
--

Cheers,

John B.


"equally rude and obnoxious, always carping"

Huh I was thinking Joe Biden who will turn 77 this year.

Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. born November 20, 1942, ex V.P

I read that:

"Whatever else one thinks of Joe Biden, the speech he delivered in New
York on Thursday showed him to be the only Democratic candidate with
his own vision on foreign policy and a full understanding of just how
badly President Donald Trump's vision is damaging U.S. interests and
values around the world."
_________________________

From here it is easy to see the results of the Trump "foreign policy"
in other countries and one thing that is happening is that more and
more exports, and likely imports, from at least Thailand and Cambodia
are going to China now as opposed to the U.S. And China is funneling
money into both countries both in the form of low cost loans and by
opening manufacturing businesses which, of course, contributes to the
local economy both in the form of taxes and by employing more locals.

Even Australia, the news yesterday recently, is considering developing
nuclear weapons as the U.S. foreign policy seems to be very "wobbly"
https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/17...uclear-weapons



I see in today's paper that for 2019 US imports from China
are down 13% while imports from ROK are up 13%, from ROC up
23%, from Vietnam up 37% and so on.

Only one of the aforementioned countries has four
supercarrier keels down with a goal of challenging USN.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

My website search has a slightly different number.

"The Associated Press reported Friday that Chinese imports from the U.S. were down 31.4 percent from the same time last year, U.S. imports from China dropped by a far lower rate � down just 7.8 percent over last year."

So it seems Trump has made the trade war much worse with his actions. We are hurting China by buying 7.8% less of their goods. Yeah Trump. But hurting USA companies even more by selling 31.4% less to China. I'm sure for 3-4 time bankrupt Trump that means he is winning. Cut off China's pinky finger. Cut off the USA hand. Winning!!!

Another economist steps forward with his educated ideas. We are buying less from China because Americans are buying more from America. This probably is something you cannot fathom. Moreover, since we are keeping more money in America we have less need to sell to foreign countries.

That doesn't even make sense. We're not buying significantly more American products because most of the products from China apart from steel are no longer manufactured here, like most things at Walmart. We're now buying that stuff from ROC, Vietnam, Toadsuckistan -- or the same Chinese stuff is being rerouted through those countries. Just as much money is leaving the country, but its going different places. And more money is leaving American pockets to pay the tariffs. http://money.com/money/5646202/costc...ina-trade-war/ Also, tell the farmers about "not needing" to sell to foreign countries. Your tax dollars are now bailing them out. More farm welfare to promote over-production.

BTW, you don't have any idea of how quickly a US-based company can shift production to another country. Your MAGA hat and Donald Trump tie are now made in Viet Nam instead of China. I ride regularly with two executives who have domestic companies with manufacturing in China. For one, it took only a few months to shift the whole operation to Viet Nam.

China should be spanked for its anti-competitive conduct and misappropriation of US IP, but don't think the dopey tariff war is the way to do it.. Tariffs are just how Trump is filling budget holes with the massive reduction in the corporate rate and other give-aways to the rich and famous. Once again, ordinary Joe pays.

-- Jay Beattie.







China HAS made a commitment to partake seriously in trade treaty negotiations.

It's plain that you don't understand anything about anything like all of the other idiot millennials.


+1 nicely done.

That said, what do you suggest after several successive
POTUSes and Congresses have ignored the problems? As with
the open-border mess, he's left with only a hammer which
doesn't make the problem into a nail; he just likes pounding.

I don't have an answer either, but to the extent that Xi
doesn't like tariffs and the domestic China economy has
weakened, I'll reflect on it before screaming.

I do not have the qualifications to formulate a solution, but based on what I know, perhaps targeted sanctions rather than shot-gun tariffs. Go after their tech sector -- work with our world partners. Diplomacy. The usual stuff.

Some of this will solve itself as it becomes less economic to produce products in China. Other Asian nations do not have the same forced technology transfer policies. Cheap shirts are already going elsewhere. Machines are making more stuff.

A close friend in the '70s was (and is) a frame builder in San Jose, and I remember talking to him about the great Satan China and how we should work to make it a democratic, capitalist country -- the Nixon in China thing. His preference was to keep it closed and communist because it would crush us in the markets. Maybe Nixon should have stayed home.

It's kind of hard to stuff the worms back into the can, particularly since we've grown so fond of worms.

-- Jay Beattie.

President Trump's policies ARE hurting China and they have agreed to serious negotiations for a fair trade treaty.

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 6:45:16 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 14:48:25 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 2:07:32 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 1:35:11 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 1:13:57 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 8:52:26 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/11/2019 8:26 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 19:39:03 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 7/11/2019 5:44 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 00:01:27 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 5:59:53 PM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote:

so here is a quote that Brandt
made back in the glory days:

. Oh, you mean this guy:

Thomas H Munich, Born: Oct 1944
3539 Monterey Blvd
San Alejandro CA94578
510) 351-3807

http://tinyurl.com/8rwo2

I thought we had gotten over him, now that we have other
contributors who are equally rude and obnoxious, always carping
while offering no useful information. A few names come to mind.

Jobs Brandt

, DEC 26, 2005


Kind of unrelated to the content of this thread. But looking at this Jobst quote, the guy he is complaining about is only 61 when written. I am pretty sure ALL of the dirty old *******s I ride with are at least that old. I'm the youngster, and I'm not that young anymore. Sadly. Its very depressing that everyone is so F---ing old now.

Yes, he was born in 1944 and is this year 75 years old and as a
general statement males seem to become more garrulous with age, and
Brandt describes the chap as being rude, obnoxious and always
carping, which appear to be an apt description today. :-)
--

Cheers,

John B.


"equally rude and obnoxious, always carping"

Huh I was thinking Joe Biden who will turn 77 this year.

Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. born November 20, 1942, ex V.P

I read that:

"Whatever else one thinks of Joe Biden, the speech he delivered in New
York on Thursday showed him to be the only Democratic candidate with
his own vision on foreign policy and a full understanding of just how
badly President Donald Trump's vision is damaging U.S. interests and
values around the world."
_________________________

From here it is easy to see the results of the Trump "foreign policy"
in other countries and one thing that is happening is that more and
more exports, and likely imports, from at least Thailand and Cambodia
are going to China now as opposed to the U.S. And China is funneling
money into both countries both in the form of low cost loans and by
opening manufacturing businesses which, of course, contributes to the
local economy both in the form of taxes and by employing more locals.

Even Australia, the news yesterday recently, is considering developing
nuclear weapons as the U.S. foreign policy seems to be very "wobbly"
https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/17...uclear-weapons



I see in today's paper that for 2019 US imports from China
are down 13% while imports from ROK are up 13%, from ROC up
23%, from Vietnam up 37% and so on.

Only one of the aforementioned countries has four
supercarrier keels down with a goal of challenging USN.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

My website search has a slightly different number.

"The Associated Press reported Friday that Chinese imports from the U.S. were down 31.4 percent from the same time last year, U.S. imports from China dropped by a far lower rate — down just 7.8 percent over last year."

So it seems Trump has made the trade war much worse with his actions. We are hurting China by buying 7.8% less of their goods. Yeah Trump. But hurting USA companies even more by selling 31.4% less to China. I'm sure for 3-4 time bankrupt Trump that means he is winning. Cut off China's pinky finger. Cut off the USA hand. Winning!!!

Another economist steps forward with his educated ideas. We are buying less from China because Americans are buying more from America. This probably is something you cannot fathom. Moreover, since we are keeping more money in America we have less need to sell to foreign countries.

That doesn't even make sense. We're not buying significantly more American products because most of the products from China apart from steel are no longer manufactured here, like most things at Walmart. We're now buying that stuff from ROC, Vietnam, Toadsuckistan -- or the same Chinese stuff is being rerouted through those countries. Just as much money is leaving the country, but its going different places. And more money is leaving American pockets to pay the tariffs. http://money.com/money/5646202/costc...ina-trade-war/ Also, tell the farmers about "not needing" to sell to foreign countries. Your tax dollars are now bailing them out. More farm welfare to promote over-production.

BTW, you don't have any idea of how quickly a US-based company can shift production to another country. Your MAGA hat and Donald Trump tie are now made in Viet Nam instead of China. I ride regularly with two executives who have domestic companies with manufacturing in China. For one, it took only a few months to shift the whole operation to Viet Nam.

China should be spanked for its anti-competitive conduct and misappropriation of US IP, but don't think the dopey tariff war is the way to do it. Tariffs are just how Trump is filling budget holes with the massive reduction in the corporate rate and other give-aways to the rich and famous. Once again, ordinary Joe pays.

-- Jay Beattie.







China HAS made a commitment to partake seriously in trade treaty negotiations.

It's plain that you don't understand anything about anything like all of the other idiot millennials.

I don't think you understand trade policies. It doesn't MATTER if these products still come from China because we have fair trade policies with these other countries. And pretty soon with China as well. This means that they CANNOT put financial burdens on importing American products if we do not do the same with theirs.

Tom, you just don't know what you are talking about.

Thailand signed a Treaty of Amity and Commerce with the U.S. on March
20, 1833 and in 1966 signed a Treaty of Amity and Economic Relations,
which facilitates U.S. and Thai companies' economic access to one
another's markets. Other important agreements address civil uses of
atomic energy, sales of agricultural commodities, investment
guarantees, and military and economic assistance.

Yet Thailand has effectively banned the import of U.S. pork products
for some time and in 2018 banned the import of U.S. plastic scrap.
And in recent years have banned chicken and turkey imports also.

As for "it doesn't matter if these products still come from China" is
absolute B.S. The U.S. does care and according to what I read
https://tinyurl.com/y2clyt4k
"Importers that knowingly falsely label the country of origin on their
imports are subject to significant fines and penalties under 19 USC
1592 and to criminal prosecution under 18 USC 542 (import by using
false statement) and 18 USC 545 (smuggling). Lying about a product's
country of origin can subject you to 20 years in Federal prison"

These are all very simple matters and I'm surprised that you would leap to such conclusions without a thought.

Exactly what I thought... until you opened your mouth.

What is it they say about keeping your mouth closed and perhaps being
thought a fool and opening your mouth and demonstrating that you are?
--
cheers,

John B.

We see that you're geopolitical knowledge is almost as great as your economics.

On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 1:29:45 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
big snip

You're correct about the Most Favored Nation status.

Actually, its now known as "permanent normal trade relations" (PNTR) and includes everyone except Cuba and North Korea, although other countries are subject to embargoes and limitations on currency transfers, etc.

John doesn't seem to understand that not only does the US have the capability of making steel but the necessary skills at making BETTER steel. There was absolutely NO REASON that China should have been awarded the Oakland Bay Bridge contract. Firstly the bids with the American company were almost identical. And then after they got the contract the Chinese company redesigned the structure and more than doubled their original contract price. After it was completed every single piece of steel in the bridge was substantially sub-standard. Even the suspension wires are below standard plus they ends were improperly capped and the rain that we had flooded the suspension wires so that they are showing rust.

I know nothing about the Bay Bridge debacle, but it sounds like poor contract management and poor inspection/QC. There have been plenty of projects built with domestic cement, steel, wire rope, etc. that went bad, and plenty of domestically designed and built projects that failed catastrophically. The problem is usually corner cutting coupled with mistakes, and in the case of the Bay Bridge, it sounds like the corner cutting was Chinese steel and the mistake was failing to manage the quality and inspect the steel at the plant and during installation/welding/construction. But it could have been cheap concrete from a local supplier or even cheap US steel.

"Buy US" is a fine policy, but it doesn't substitute for contractor oversight and quality control. And "buy US" can be an epic failure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Streetcar Your tax dollars at work . . . in Portland.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Sat, 13 Jul 2019 13:17:54 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 2:56:53 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 09:10:41 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 3:44:22 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 00:01:27 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 5:59:53 PM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote:

so here is a quote that Brandt
made back in the glory days:

. Oh, you mean this guy:

Thomas H Munich, Born: Oct 1944
3539 Monterey Blvd
San Alejandro CA94578
510) 351-3807

http://tinyurl.com/8rwo2

I thought we had gotten over him, now that we have other
contributors who are equally rude and obnoxious, always carping
while offering no useful information. A few names come to mind.

Jobs Brandt

, DEC 26, 2005


Kind of unrelated to the content of this thread. But looking at this Jobst quote, the guy he is complaining about is only 61 when written. I am pretty sure ALL of the dirty old *******s I ride with are at least that old. I'm the youngster, and I'm not that young anymore. Sadly. Its very depressing that everyone is so F---ing old now.

Yes, he was born in 1944 and is this year 75 years old and as a
general statement males seem to become more garrulous with age, and
Brandt describes the chap as being rude, obnoxious and always
carping, which appear to be an apt description today. :-)
--

Cheers,

John B.

Only with jackasses like you or Frank whose entire purpose on this group is to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about when you don't have a clue even what I'm saying.

Goodness Tom, I'd think that you would be grateful to both Frank and I
for telling you what you don't know. Educating you, as it were.

But then, you have bragged about being a high school drop out so maybe
"learning" just isn't in your frame of reference.

By the way idiot - do you even know what tubeless means?

And why should I care? After all I rarely have flat tires with
conventional tires. In fact I rarely had flats back in the "sew-up"
days.
--
cheers,

John B.

You sure seem to be pushed out of shape about how much money I was making without having to go through stupid college classes. I was listening to a radio financial advisor and a oil field lumper called in. He was making $180,000 a year himself and his wife another 80,000. Maybe you can call into that show and tell them how you got rich by going to school instead of actually doing things.

Nope. I am not concerned with how much money you made, or how many
bicycles you have or, to be frank, anything about you or for that
matter anyone else. I am concerned solely with myself and my family
were we safe? Do we have sufficient funds to live as we wish?
Sufficient housing? Can we educate our kids? And so on.

Nor, am I jealous of anyone who has more money, a bigger car, more
bicycles, or anything else.

By the way, what is an "oil field lumper" I worked around the oil
field both drilling rigs and production fields for many years and have
never hear the term. Tower chiefs, Drillers, Tool Pusher,
Roustabouts, Roughnecks, Welders, Mechanics, Motorman, yes. But no
"lumpers".

Tell me, what does a lumper do? Are you telling lies again?
--
cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 13 Jul 2019 13:20:32 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 3:05:05 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
" you even have a close approximation of including imports from or
exports to China"?

Tom, I think, given that jumble of words, that you should be thankful
for Frank or I trying to educate you, albeit with little success, and
yes we know that you brag about being a high school drop out but what
you wrote above is certainly proof positive that you should have
stayed in school and maybe even taken some advance courses in the
English language.

Before you can educate someone you have to actually know what you're talking about and you've proven that you're more than a little short on that.

" you even have a close approximation of including imports from or
exports to China"

Are you telling us that your statement above is a logical, well
thought and articulate sentence? If you do than you really should go
back to school to learn English.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 3:42:08 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 1:29:45 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
big snip

You're correct about the Most Favored Nation status.

Actually, its now known as "permanent normal trade relations" (PNTR) and includes everyone except Cuba and North Korea, although other countries are subject to embargoes and limitations on currency transfers, etc.

John doesn't seem to understand that not only does the US have the capability of making steel but the necessary skills at making BETTER steel. There was absolutely NO REASON that China should have been awarded the Oakland Bay Bridge contract. Firstly the bids with the American company were almost identical. And then after they got the contract the Chinese company redesigned the structure and more than doubled their original contract price. After it was completed every single piece of steel in the bridge was substantially sub-standard. Even the suspension wires are below standard plus they ends were improperly capped and the rain that we had flooded the suspension wires so that they are showing rust.

I know nothing about the Bay Bridge debacle, but it sounds like poor contract management and poor inspection/QC. There have been plenty of projects built with domestic cement, steel, wire rope, etc. that went bad, and plenty of domestically designed and built projects that failed catastrophically. The problem is usually corner cutting coupled with mistakes, and in the case of the Bay Bridge, it sounds like the corner cutting was Chinese steel and the mistake was failing to manage the quality and inspect the steel at the plant and during installation/welding/construction. But it could have been cheap concrete from a local supplier or even cheap US steel.

"Buy US" is a fine policy, but it doesn't substitute for contractor oversight and quality control. And "buy US" can be an epic failure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Streetcar Your tax dollars at work . . . in Portland.

-- Jay Beattie.

I do not have any real information but it isn't possible that such a deal as the Oakland span was made. This HAD to be corruption and I haven't heard of anyone in or out of the media looking into it.

On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 4:18:48 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:

By the way, what is an "oil field lumper" I worked around the oil
field both drilling rigs and production fields for many years and have
never hear the term. Tower chiefs, Drillers, Tool Pusher,
Roustabouts, Roughnecks, Welders, Mechanics, Motorman, yes. But no
"lumpers".

Tell me, what does a lumper do? Are you telling lies again?

According to the man who was speaking, it was maintaining the machinery to keep the wells pumping. I find it very strange that you pretend to know about oil wells but only vague references to the DRILLING of a well as if that is all there is to oil wells.

I'm trying to figure out how you can be an Air Force lifer, worked around oil wells and tell us that you were an engineer. I still think that you were nothing more than what my uncle Harry Herz was - a construction foreman.