How long will a positive homologous test subject remain positive?

On Jul 25, 1:53 am, wrote:
On Jul 25, 1:53 am, MrBob wrote:
I remember seeing photos of the bags. Several different sizes,
including small bags and full units.


From the Hamilton case, I remember a lifespan of 120 days for a red
blood cell. I don't know if it's more of a half-life, or a FIFO process.

There's some variation in the lifespan but the important thing to keep
in mind is that you're not transfusing blood cells that are all the
same age. Some (roughly, 1/120) are one day old and some are 119 days
old. In the Hamilton case, it was charged that he was consistently
mini-dosing with less than full units in order to get the observed
proportions of mixed blood. That's one of the reasons why it was
interesting to see whether the blood bags in the Puerto case were mini
(i.e., kid-sized) bags or full-sized units. It also suggests that in
the Hamilton case it couldn't have been a one-time only mix-up with
Santiago Perez.

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On Jul 25, 3:53 pm, Robert McMillen
wrote:
Although many other doping allegations have some ambiguities, Vino's
case should be easy. If he's innocent, call a press conference and
invite an independent lab to analyze his blood. If he had an homologous
blood transfusion - the evidence would still be there. If his test was
botched or sabotaged, the independent lab would clear him. He can
readily clear his name if he is innocent, and if he chooses not to do so
he is implicitly admitting guilt.

Good idea, but the WADA prevents independent labs from doing the
homologous blood doping test. That test is proprietary and its
protocols and procedures are secret.

You aren't serious, are you?

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(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

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On Jul 25, 3:53 pm, Robert McMillen
wrote:
Although many other doping allegations have some ambiguities, Vino's
case should be easy. If he's innocent, call a press conference and
invite an independent lab to analyze his blood. If he had an homologous
blood transfusion - the evidence would still be there. If his test was
botched or sabotaged, the independent lab would clear him. He can
readily clear his name if he is innocent, and if he chooses not to do so
he is implicitly admitting guilt.

Good idea, but the WADA prevents independent labs from doing the
homologous blood doping test. That test is proprietary and its
protocols and procedures are secret.

Not to be too interested in your knowledge of this but - what exactly is it
that you think hasn't been known about blood that you couldn't read in the
latested update of Willams Hematology?

On Jul 26, 1:17 am, Simon Brooke wrote:

Good idea, but the WADA prevents independent labs from doing the
homologous blood doping test. That test is proprietary and its
protocols and procedures are secret.

You aren't serious, are you?

I try not to be, particularly about cycling which is, after all, just
entertainment -- but in this case, you can look it up yourself. The
exact test procedures for the homologous blood doping test have never
been released because the WADA doesn't want the athletes to know
exactly which arrays of antibodies are being compared -- they think
that knowledge, sort of like the knowledge of exactly what my
President considers to be torture, emboldens the
enemy^H^H^H^H^Hathletes. That's why the test has never been verified,
nor could it be performed, by any independent lab.

We went through all of this a couple of years ago when Hamilton got
popped, and again when the arbitration decision came down.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:02:16 GMT, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:

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On Jul 25, 3:53 pm, Robert McMillen
wrote:
Although many other doping allegations have some ambiguities, Vino's
case should be easy. If he's innocent, call a press conference and
invite an independent lab to analyze his blood. If he had an homologous
blood transfusion - the evidence would still be there. If his test was
botched or sabotaged, the independent lab would clear him. He can
readily clear his name if he is innocent, and if he chooses not to do so
he is implicitly admitting guilt.

Good idea, but the WADA prevents independent labs from doing the
homologous blood doping test. That test is proprietary and its
protocols and procedures are secret.

Not to be too interested in your knowledge of this but - what exactly is it
that you think hasn't been known about blood that you couldn't read in the
latested update of Willams Hematology?

He just said, the procedures that WADA uses.

Ron