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How long will a positive homologous test subject remain positive?
On Jul 25, 1:53 am, wrote:
On Jul 25, 1:53 am, MrBob wrote: I remember seeing photos of the bags. Several different sizes, including small bags and full units. From the Hamilton case, I remember a lifespan of 120 days for a red blood cell. I don't know if it's more of a half-life, or a FIFO process. There's some variation in the lifespan but the important thing to keep in mind is that you're not transfusing blood cells that are all the same age. Some (roughly, 1/120) are one day old and some are 119 days old. In the Hamilton case, it was charged that he was consistently mini-dosing with less than full units in order to get the observed proportions of mixed blood. That's one of the reasons why it was interesting to see whether the blood bags in the Puerto case were mini (i.e., kid-sized) bags or full-sized units. It also suggests that in the Hamilton case it couldn't have been a one-time only mix-up with Santiago Perez. |
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How long will a positive homologous test subject remain positive?
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ps.com... On Jul 25, 3:53 pm, Robert McMillen wrote: Although many other doping allegations have some ambiguities, Vino's case should be easy. If he's innocent, call a press conference and invite an independent lab to analyze his blood. If he had an homologous blood transfusion - the evidence would still be there. If his test was botched or sabotaged, the independent lab would clear him. He can readily clear his name if he is innocent, and if he chooses not to do so he is implicitly admitting guilt. Good idea, but the WADA prevents independent labs from doing the homologous blood doping test. That test is proprietary and its protocols and procedures are secret. Not to be too interested in your knowledge of this but - what exactly is it that you think hasn't been known about blood that you couldn't read in the latested update of Willams Hematology? |
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How long will a positive homologous test subject remain positive?
On Jul 26, 1:17 am, Simon Brooke wrote:
Good idea, but the WADA prevents independent labs from doing the homologous blood doping test. That test is proprietary and its protocols and procedures are secret. You aren't serious, are you? I try not to be, particularly about cycling which is, after all, just entertainment -- but in this case, you can look it up yourself. The exact test procedures for the homologous blood doping test have never been released because the WADA doesn't want the athletes to know exactly which arrays of antibodies are being compared -- they think that knowledge, sort of like the knowledge of exactly what my President considers to be torture, emboldens the enemy^H^H^H^H^Hathletes. That's why the test has never been verified, nor could it be performed, by any independent lab. We went through all of this a couple of years ago when Hamilton got popped, and again when the arbitration decision came down. |
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How long will a positive homologous test subject remain positive?
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:02:16 GMT, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... On Jul 25, 3:53 pm, Robert McMillen wrote: Although many other doping allegations have some ambiguities, Vino's case should be easy. If he's innocent, call a press conference and invite an independent lab to analyze his blood. If he had an homologous blood transfusion - the evidence would still be there. If his test was botched or sabotaged, the independent lab would clear him. He can readily clear his name if he is innocent, and if he chooses not to do so he is implicitly admitting guilt. Good idea, but the WADA prevents independent labs from doing the homologous blood doping test. That test is proprietary and its protocols and procedures are secret. Not to be too interested in your knowledge of this but - what exactly is it that you think hasn't been known about blood that you couldn't read in the latested update of Willams Hematology? He just said, the procedures that WADA uses. Ron |
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