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"Badger_South" wrote in message ... On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 02:21:31 GMT, "curt" wrote: The TTT should be great. I think Hamilton is going to be Lance's biggest rival this year. Two Americans on the final podium is not impossible. Ullrich is a threat but I don't think he can hang on in the mountains, and he's not a great descender. Should be a heck of a Tour, for certain. I feel Jan is the biggest competitor to Lance as Lance himself believes. I really don't feel Tyler is strong enough to really be a contender...JMHO. Regardless, it was fun to watch today and I feel it is really going to be a great tour again. Curt Most recently the oddsmakers are putting Lance as the favorite 1:1.6, with Ulrich ~ 2.6:1, and Tyler at ~12:1, FWIW. -B Cool. Those guys are usually pretty much on the mark. Curt |
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Back up on the podium in yellow, that's where!
Bill "Big Blue Train was absolutely beautiful today" S. |
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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:58:46 GMT, "curt" wrote:
"Badger_South" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 02:21:31 GMT, "curt" wrote: The TTT should be great. I think Hamilton is going to be Lance's biggest rival this year. Two Americans on the final podium is not impossible. Ullrich is a threat but I don't think he can hang on in the mountains, and he's not a great descender. Should be a heck of a Tour, for certain. I feel Jan is the biggest competitor to Lance as Lance himself believes. I really don't feel Tyler is strong enough to really be a contender...JMHO. Regardless, it was fun to watch today and I feel it is really going to be a great tour again. Curt Most recently the oddsmakers are putting Lance as the favorite 1:1.6, with Ulrich ~ 2.6:1, and Tyler at ~12:1, FWIW. -B Cool. Those guys are usually pretty much on the mark. Curt Here's a site which gives the odds as of Sunday w/ Lance - 0.73:1 Ullrich - 3.6:1 Tyler - 6.8:1 Heras - 31:1 http://www.readabet.com/index.php/Sports/article/4980 I have only a rudimentary understanding of betting and odds (read:none) - heh, so if anyone cares to interpret any of this stuff, feel free. ;-p -B |
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In answer to the thread title question, it's way too early to start either
worrying or boasting. I'll follow each stage but, barring a crash like Mayo's, it won't be *really* "interesting" until they reach about stage 13 or so. IMO and looking at the schedule and stage maps, Stage 13 should be either the beginning or the beginning of the end for Lance's rivals. Again IMO, Stage 19 could be THE deciding stage. Personally, I'd like to see Lance win this Tour and then retire. It happens so seldom in any sport- Miguel Indurain, Sugar Ray Leonard, Michael Jordan... need I go on?- that it would be nice to see someone exit while still at or near the top of their game. Regards, Bob Hunt |
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Hunrobe wrote:
In answer to the thread title question, it's way too early to start either worrying or boasting. I'll follow each stage but, barring a crash like Mayo's, it won't be *really* "interesting" until they reach about stage 13 or so. IMO and looking at the schedule and stage maps, Stage 13 should be either the beginning or the beginning of the end for Lance's rivals. Again IMO, Stage 19 could be THE deciding stage. Personally, I'd like to see Lance win this Tour and then retire. It happens so seldom in any sport- Miguel Indurain, Sugar Ray Leonard, Michael Jordan... need I go on?- that it would be nice to see someone exit while still at or near the top of their game. Won't happen, though, due to the new Discovery Channel sponsorship deal. Maybe next year? Bill "don't know enough about racing to comment on first paragraph (but sure sounds right-on)" S. |
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Badger_South wrote in message . ..
The announcers were just talking about Lance hanging in like 8th place to stay out of trouble and stuff, and I don't see him in any of the stages, except for the 2nd place in the Prologue. Yet they're talking about this as a winning strategy. How can he do this. Uh, I'm pretty clueless about how they score and get "points" and stuff, so if there's a FAQ for TdF dummies, a pointer perhaps? Do you have to win a certain number of stages, or do you just hang back and then get a time lead in the mountains or something? Sorry for the possibly dumb questions on this... ;-) -B You've got a lot of good, informative answers. By now, if you have followed all week, you will have seen a great set of tactical moves, and a big strategic alliance, in stage 3. Lots of tactical maneuvering to get to the front of the pack before the cobbles, and Hincapie/Ekimov did a great job of pulling LA into that lead position as the main peleton entered that segment. The big strategic move came as the peleton split in that section, leaving many riders including one of the favored contenders, Iban Mayo, in the rear. With the possibility of opening up a time gap between a team leader and a major rival you saw USPS, Phonak, T-Mobile, etc. turn up the tempo in the front section of the peleton. Cooperation to put a rival at a disadvantage. The more subtle strategy of the week was to position USPS as the top team before stage 4; that gave them 21st position (last) in the team time trial. Important as they then had info on the status of the course and how all their rivals were faring, and could adjust appropriately. You will see the results of that strategy, and todays TTT results, mirrored in the current individual standings. - rick |
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