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  #61  
Old September 12th 17, 08:24 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 6:06:12 PM UTC-7, wrote:
Awww condolances...inside job. Bummer bummer.


You think it was his son?



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  #62  
Old September 13th 17, 01:45 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 06:49:44 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 7:24:23 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 16:53:34 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 2:25:56 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 9/11/2017 7:54 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 5:11:08 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 9/9/2017 3:28 PM, jbeattie wrote:
So, my SuperSix was crushed in a roof-rack accident and last weak my
Roubaix was stolen out of the garage that I left open all night. I've
done that many times -- apparently one too many. I'm down to a gravel
bike and my commuter -- the reborn warranty CAADX (which is a great bike).

At one place I owned I installed a device that automatically closes the
garage door after three minutes unless you disable it. I used the timer
for the light bulbs on the garage door opener to trigger a relay that
shorted the open/close terminals momentarily. I need to build another
one since I've done the same thing as you on occasion.

The gravel bike is a pig, but I'll use that for fall/winter/spring
sport riding. I want a fast bike, though -- and I've got a line on a
nice bike that I can get with rim brakes or discs, but the disc model
will not be available until December -- which really means that I get to
ride it in dry weather some time around May. I can get a rim brake
model by the end of the month.

All the shops are pushing discs, and I did like the discs on the
Roubaix and on my gravel bike. I know this is absolutely the wrong group
to ask because it's wall-to-wall curmudgeons, but if you were buying
your last nice road bike, would you go rim brakes or discs? It will be a
dry weather bike or ridden in the rain only because of bad luck. There
would be no real weight penalty because the bike is so light to start
with. I'm not aero, so I don't care about the aero penalty with discs.

My concern with getting rim brakes is not really even a performance
issue because in dry weather, I've never had a problem with rim brakes
-- but to listen to the guys at the local shop, rim brakes are going the
way of the dodo. I'm worried about buying an antique!

I SPIT on rim brakes.

Go for a titanium frame with disc brakes. https://www.deanbikes.com/

Yeah, that's a really great idea when just the couplers on that bike are $900. For my entire totally reconditioned Pinarello I'll have less with new Campy wheels and a record group.

Jay is not price-sensitive. All he has to do is bill a few more hours to
pay for a Dean Titanium. And the couplers are not required.

Even if I were made of money, I wouldn't spend a ton on a bike. I'm getting a pro deal on my next bike because I do work for the manufacturer -- and its a great bike. It will be my designated fast bike (or as-fast-as-I-get bike). It's replacing my SuperSix, RIP.

-- Jay Beattie.


Isn't that what Tom was talking about? Taking part of your pay in
freebies from the company you are working for :-)


He was talking about SMS's supposed guerilla marketing. I don't do product placement, except when I find an exceptional product like the new 92" Samsing 4721 400K curved screen TV with plasma sound and sensaround holographic 4D picture and gesture control. It's like being there. You can get it at TVdirect for half the price, although they're frequently sold-out because everybody wants one. Don't you?

-- Jay Beattie.


Is this the one for the bathroom?

But I'd suggest two as some are sitting and some are standing and some
are looking that way and some this way....

Problems, problems :-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

  #63  
Old September 13th 17, 01:57 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 07:05:45 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 12:27:49 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:59:54 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 9/11/2017 6:40 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 5:18:38 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 5:10:11 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
I'd wait for bikesdirect to get their Ultegra Titanium disc road bikes
back in stock. They sell out very fast since most serious riders are
moving from carbon fiber to titanium now. Then get a CroMo disc fork.


Serious riders are switching from carbon to titanium? Didn't know that. But then I don't claim to be a genius in every topic on earth. Just a couple of them for me.

Chromoly disc fork to replace a carbon disc fork? Why?

Because CF disc forks explode, leading to huge loss of life -- second only to heart disease as a cause of death in the United States. Where have you been? Mars?

Really, though, I don't know where all these "serious riders" are. I've seen zero Ti disc bikes with CroMo forks.

True, most riders use the CF fork that comes with the Ti bicycle. The
suggestion to switch to a CroMo fork was to prevent injury should the CF
fork fail, as they are prone to do.


Why in the world don't titanium bicycles come with titanium forks?
I've got an aluminum bicycle with aluminum forks; I've got steel
bicycles with steel forks...

Is there something wrong with this wonder metal?


Titanium is a very difficult material to manipulate. the bends for the top of the fork are extremely hard to do. Looking at a titanium bike you will see few if any bends at all.


That just isn't true at all. Working titanium is very much like
working stainless steel, and I'll add that while serving in Uncle
Sam's air force I've done both.

And, in fact I've come across a number of sources for titanium forks
in several different styles.
https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/tit...cle-forks.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesa...-bicycle-forks
https://www.ticycles.com/store/?category=FORK
http://www.tsbcycles.com/titanium-fork/

So how come SMS's merry group aren't using them?
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Cheers,

John B.

  #64  
Old September 13th 17, 02:02 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 12:19:37 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 11:20:47 AM UTC-4, sms wrote:
On 9/12/2017 6:49 AM, jbeattie wrote:

He was talking about SMS's supposed guerilla marketing.


LOL, I thought that it was Frank that made up that story!


I "made up" that story by reading SMS's web pages, which at the time said
something like "If you buy one of these products, please start from my pages
so I can get the commission." And in other places, those web pages bragged
that SMS "engaged in guerilla marketing in the bicycling community," etc.

I posted direct quotes and links several times, and I believe others
checked them out and verified them. After several months, SMS realized people
were on to him and either took those pages down or edited them.

I am waiting for my check from Bikesdirect. It must have been lost in
the mail, along with all the other checks that I am supposed to receive.
Darn.


Another failed businessman who decided to go into politics.


And, I notice, that only months after being elected he is buying a new
car, new bicycles, and even titanium bicycles...
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Cheers,

John B.

  #65  
Old September 13th 17, 02:13 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 5:57:47 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 07:05:45 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 12:27:49 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:59:54 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 9/11/2017 6:40 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 5:18:38 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 5:10:11 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
I'd wait for bikesdirect to get their Ultegra Titanium disc road bikes
back in stock. They sell out very fast since most serious riders are
moving from carbon fiber to titanium now. Then get a CroMo disc fork.


Serious riders are switching from carbon to titanium? Didn't know that. But then I don't claim to be a genius in every topic on earth. Just a couple of them for me.

Chromoly disc fork to replace a carbon disc fork? Why?

Because CF disc forks explode, leading to huge loss of life -- second only to heart disease as a cause of death in the United States. Where have you been? Mars?

Really, though, I don't know where all these "serious riders" are. I've seen zero Ti disc bikes with CroMo forks.

True, most riders use the CF fork that comes with the Ti bicycle. The
suggestion to switch to a CroMo fork was to prevent injury should the CF
fork fail, as they are prone to do.

Why in the world don't titanium bicycles come with titanium forks?
I've got an aluminum bicycle with aluminum forks; I've got steel
bicycles with steel forks...

Is there something wrong with this wonder metal?


Titanium is a very difficult material to manipulate. the bends for the top of the fork are extremely hard to do. Looking at a titanium bike you will see few if any bends at all.


That just isn't true at all. Working titanium is very much like
working stainless steel, and I'll add that while serving in Uncle
Sam's air force I've done both.

And, in fact I've come across a number of sources for titanium forks
in several different styles.
https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/tit...cle-forks.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesa...-bicycle-forks
https://www.ticycles.com/store/?category=FORK
http://www.tsbcycles.com/titanium-fork/

So how come SMS's merry group aren't using them?


Did you look at how poorly designed and constructed those things are?
  #66  
Old September 13th 17, 05:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Doug Landau
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On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 5:57:47 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 07:05:45 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 12:27:49 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:59:54 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 9/11/2017 6:40 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 5:18:38 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 5:10:11 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
I'd wait for bikesdirect to get their Ultegra Titanium disc road bikes
back in stock. They sell out very fast since most serious riders are
moving from carbon fiber to titanium now. Then get a CroMo disc fork.


Serious riders are switching from carbon to titanium? Didn't know that. But then I don't claim to be a genius in every topic on earth. Just a couple of them for me.

Chromoly disc fork to replace a carbon disc fork? Why?

Because CF disc forks explode, leading to huge loss of life -- second only to heart disease as a cause of death in the United States. Where have you been? Mars?

Really, though, I don't know where all these "serious riders" are. I've seen zero Ti disc bikes with CroMo forks.

True, most riders use the CF fork that comes with the Ti bicycle. The
suggestion to switch to a CroMo fork was to prevent injury should the CF
fork fail, as they are prone to do.

Why in the world don't titanium bicycles come with titanium forks?
I've got an aluminum bicycle with aluminum forks; I've got steel
bicycles with steel forks...

Is there something wrong with this wonder metal?


Titanium is a very difficult material to manipulate. the bends for the top of the fork are extremely hard to do. Looking at a titanium bike you will see few if any bends at all.


That just isn't true at all. Working titanium is very much like
working stainless steel, and I'll add that while serving in Uncle
Sam's air force I've done both.

And, in fact I've come across a number of sources for titanium forks
in several different styles.
https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/tit...cle-forks.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesa...-bicycle-forks


Page not found. Doesn't everything on that site suck anyway tho?

  #67  
Old September 13th 17, 06:41 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 9/13/2017 11:17 AM, Doug Landau wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 5:57:47 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 07:05:45 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 12:27:49 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:59:54 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 9/11/2017 6:40 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 5:18:38 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 5:10:11 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
I'd wait for bikesdirect to get their Ultegra Titanium disc road bikes
back in stock. They sell out very fast since most serious riders are
moving from carbon fiber to titanium now. Then get a CroMo disc fork.


Serious riders are switching from carbon to titanium? Didn't know that. But then I don't claim to be a genius in every topic on earth. Just a couple of them for me.

Chromoly disc fork to replace a carbon disc fork? Why?

Because CF disc forks explode, leading to huge loss of life -- second only to heart disease as a cause of death in the United States. Where have you been? Mars?

Really, though, I don't know where all these "serious riders" are. I've seen zero Ti disc bikes with CroMo forks.

True, most riders use the CF fork that comes with the Ti bicycle. The
suggestion to switch to a CroMo fork was to prevent injury should the CF
fork fail, as they are prone to do.

Why in the world don't titanium bicycles come with titanium forks?
I've got an aluminum bicycle with aluminum forks; I've got steel
bicycles with steel forks...

Is there something wrong with this wonder metal?

Titanium is a very difficult material to manipulate. the bends for the top of the fork are extremely hard to do. Looking at a titanium bike you will see few if any bends at all.


That just isn't true at all. Working titanium is very much like
working stainless steel, and I'll add that while serving in Uncle
Sam's air force I've done both.

And, in fact I've come across a number of sources for titanium forks
in several different styles.
https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/tit...cle-forks.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesa...-bicycle-forks


Page not found. Doesn't everything on that site suck anyway tho?


Titanium is a material, not magic. Engineers/designers who
ignore physics fail in titanium as they would have failed in
any other medium:

http://www.yellowjersey.org/hand14.html

(I have a wonderful Ti road bike with matching Ti fork, no
complaints)

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #68  
Old September 13th 17, 07:02 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 9/13/2017 9:17 AM, Doug Landau wrote:

snip

Page not found. Doesn't everything on that site suck anyway tho?


I found a titanium fork on Aliexpress. I shortened the
URL.http://tinyurl.com/titaniumfork

  #69  
Old September 13th 17, 07:13 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Doug Landau
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On Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 10:41:29 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/13/2017 11:17 AM, Doug Landau wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 5:57:47 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 07:05:45 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 12:27:49 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:59:54 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 9/11/2017 6:40 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 5:18:38 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 5:10:11 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
I'd wait for bikesdirect to get their Ultegra Titanium disc road bikes
back in stock. They sell out very fast since most serious riders are
moving from carbon fiber to titanium now. Then get a CroMo disc fork.


Serious riders are switching from carbon to titanium? Didn't know that. But then I don't claim to be a genius in every topic on earth. Just a couple of them for me.

Chromoly disc fork to replace a carbon disc fork? Why?

Because CF disc forks explode, leading to huge loss of life -- second only to heart disease as a cause of death in the United States. Where have you been? Mars?

Really, though, I don't know where all these "serious riders" are. I've seen zero Ti disc bikes with CroMo forks.

True, most riders use the CF fork that comes with the Ti bicycle. The
suggestion to switch to a CroMo fork was to prevent injury should the CF
fork fail, as they are prone to do.

Why in the world don't titanium bicycles come with titanium forks?
I've got an aluminum bicycle with aluminum forks; I've got steel
bicycles with steel forks...

Is there something wrong with this wonder metal?

Titanium is a very difficult material to manipulate. the bends for the top of the fork are extremely hard to do. Looking at a titanium bike you will see few if any bends at all.

That just isn't true at all. Working titanium is very much like
working stainless steel, and I'll add that while serving in Uncle
Sam's air force I've done both.

And, in fact I've come across a number of sources for titanium forks
in several different styles.
https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/tit...cle-forks.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesa...-bicycle-forks


Page not found. Doesn't everything on that site suck anyway tho?


Titanium is a material, not magic. Engineers/designers who
ignore physics fail in titanium as they would have failed in
any other medium:

http://www.yellowjersey.org/hand14.html

(I have a wonderful Ti road bike with matching Ti fork, no
complaints)


Made by whom? Thanks

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Old September 13th 17, 08:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 10:41:29 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/13/2017 11:17 AM, Doug Landau wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 5:57:47 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 07:05:45 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 12:27:49 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:59:54 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 9/11/2017 6:40 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 5:18:38 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 5:10:11 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
I'd wait for bikesdirect to get their Ultegra Titanium disc road bikes
back in stock. They sell out very fast since most serious riders are
moving from carbon fiber to titanium now. Then get a CroMo disc fork.


Serious riders are switching from carbon to titanium? Didn't know that. But then I don't claim to be a genius in every topic on earth. Just a couple of them for me.

Chromoly disc fork to replace a carbon disc fork? Why?

Because CF disc forks explode, leading to huge loss of life -- second only to heart disease as a cause of death in the United States. Where have you been? Mars?

Really, though, I don't know where all these "serious riders" are. I've seen zero Ti disc bikes with CroMo forks.

True, most riders use the CF fork that comes with the Ti bicycle. The
suggestion to switch to a CroMo fork was to prevent injury should the CF
fork fail, as they are prone to do.

Why in the world don't titanium bicycles come with titanium forks?
I've got an aluminum bicycle with aluminum forks; I've got steel
bicycles with steel forks...

Is there something wrong with this wonder metal?

Titanium is a very difficult material to manipulate. the bends for the top of the fork are extremely hard to do. Looking at a titanium bike you will see few if any bends at all.

That just isn't true at all. Working titanium is very much like
working stainless steel, and I'll add that while serving in Uncle
Sam's air force I've done both.

And, in fact I've come across a number of sources for titanium forks
in several different styles.
https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/tit...cle-forks.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesa...-bicycle-forks


Page not found. Doesn't everything on that site suck anyway tho?


Titanium is a material, not magic. Engineers/designers who
ignore physics fail in titanium as they would have failed in
any other medium:

http://www.yellowjersey.org/hand14.html

(I have a wonderful Ti road bike with matching Ti fork, no
complaints)


Those pictures are pretty awful. How do you get braze to stick to titanium? I thought that titanium couldn't be brazed but required welding.
 




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