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Old July 31st 17, 11:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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? Apparently J wasn't impressed....geometry change change throwem off ?
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Old August 1st 17, 12:30 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Hmmm I haven't eaten a supplement or small package energy 'food' ...

Buying one for the backpack as an emergency device seems appealing.

Recommend one giving a long lasting low dose type charge ?

REI is big on GU.

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Old August 1st 17, 04:02 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 7/31/2017 3:21 PM, Joerg wrote:


My main hydration point on yesterday's ride was this:

http://edhbrewing.com/about-us.html


You know, Joerg, most of us probably drink beer. Only one of us feels
compelled to constantly brag about it.


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Old August 1st 17, 04:14 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 01/08/17 12:59, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/31/2017 6:19 PM, wrote:
On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 2:48:24 PM UTC-7, Duane wrote:

Hammer Heed gets a bit expensive so I'm trying these Nuun tablets.
Easier
to deal with and no sugar.


I have no personal experience with the stuff, but the ultramarathoner in
our family uses Nuun.

Try Red Bull. That is the only stuff I've tried that I can actually
feel getting into my system and improving my performance.


I've felt the pleasant kick from several of the gooey gel products
containing caffeine. I've also experienced a great recovery from
Mountain Dew.

On a hot and fast (for me) ride last year, I was dying at about 35
miles. We stopped at a Dairy Queen to cool down and I had two cups of
Dew before the ten miles or so to the end. Afterwards the ride leader
told me "You took off like a bat out of hell!"

He exaggerated, but I did finish before him, feeling fine.



I've completed the "Alpine Audax" 200km event maybe a dozen times. I
never went hunger flat. I grabbed 3-4 pieces of food from the food
supplies at each check point. Muffins and small cakes. I'd eat a few
quartered orange pieces where available while stopped. Always leave a
stop with two full water bottles.

Never used gels for those events. I have used them in some races
though. Mostly because they are easier to ingest while you're working
hard than a piece of cake or a banana.

I've not used canned stimulants, but on recreational and training rides
I like to stop for a coffee somewhere if time permits.

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Old August 1st 17, 04:18 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 7/31/2017 5:45 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/31/2017 4:24 PM, wrote:
What,abt the nww bike performance ?


I find that new bike performance is limited by my old legs.
YMMV


.... and lungs. And ticker. Plus, the fire in my belly is largely gone.

The fire sometimes comes back, though. We (my wife and I, riding tandem)
were on a pretty leisurely club ride a couple weeks ago. A new young
guy had showed up, and we were riding along chatting with him. He said
he rides to stay in shape for his other sports, etc.

As we talked, one of our club members who's notorious for such behavior
decided to hit high gear and crank away out front for a while, then wait
for the rest of the crew to catch up. When he did that, the newbie
suddenly ended our conversation, saying something like "Excuse me
now..." and took off.

I though "Excuse me???" and told my wife "Let's go." So we reeled him in
and were a comfortable ten feet behind when he caught the rabbit. For
icing on the cake, our rabbit guy (as he always does) left the leisurely
riders for the last five miles or so to crank in at 20 - 25 mph . My
wife and I were close behind, and the newbie was a distant third. It
was quite satisfying.

But with a tandem, terrain is everything. If it weren't fairly flat,
we'd happily ride back with the leisurely crowd.

(P.S. Don't interpret this tale as a claim that I could stick with Jay,
Tom or Duane, let alone James.)

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Old August 1st 17, 04:28 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 7/31/2017 11:14 PM, James wrote:
On 01/08/17 12:59, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/31/2017 6:19 PM, wrote:
On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 2:48:24 PM UTC-7, Duane wrote:

Hammer Heed gets a bit expensive so I'm trying these Nuun tablets.
Easier
to deal with and no sugar.


I have no personal experience with the stuff, but the ultramarathoner in
our family uses Nuun.

Try Red Bull. That is the only stuff I've tried that I can actually
feel getting into my system and improving my performance.


I've felt the pleasant kick from several of the gooey gel products
containing caffeine. I've also experienced a great recovery from
Mountain Dew.

On a hot and fast (for me) ride last year, I was dying at about 35
miles. We stopped at a Dairy Queen to cool down and I had two cups of
Dew before the ten miles or so to the end. Afterwards the ride leader
told me "You took off like a bat out of hell!"

He exaggerated, but I did finish before him, feeling fine.



I've completed the "Alpine Audax" 200km event maybe a dozen times. I
never went hunger flat. I grabbed 3-4 pieces of food from the food
supplies at each check point. Muffins and small cakes. I'd eat a few
quartered orange pieces where available while stopped. Always leave a
stop with two full water bottles.

Never used gels for those events. I have used them in some races
though. Mostly because they are easier to ingest while you're working
hard than a piece of cake or a banana.


I don't know that I've ever actually bought a gel pack. All the ones
I've had have been giveaways at invitational rides, almost entirely from
my own club's rides. Shops give them to the club to pass out to the
riders, and there are often leftovers.

The ride at which they gave the most value was my (only) double century.
I really appreciated the little kick they gave me.

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Old August 1st 17, 04:33 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 7/31/2017 4:09 PM, jbeattie wrote:

Well, I felt good enough to go out yesterday for a 55 mile ride with about 20 miles of steady or rolling hills, during which time I drank one 24oz bottle of Hammer Heed and a quarter of a 21oz bottle of water -- plus a Cliff Bar.


My ride was about 40 miles, pretty hilly (for me), 85 degrees, sunny and
about 75% humidity. I used up two standard water bottles. I was
definitely ready for the big glass of orange juice and another bottle of
water at the end.

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Old August 1st 17, 04:53 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2017 11:00:31 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-07-29 18:33, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 07:34:09 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt wrote:
Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27 Jul
2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote:

: Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles.

:When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten miles.

Jay's a camel.

Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more than
two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I don't go
into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with a rack so I
can haul gallons of water on a day ride.

Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle bosses
and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding trails in
the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or some other
option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on a day ride.



http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide

Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one
extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the bike".

Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the upper
end of the water requirement scale. So there.

Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in Portland :-)


Your equation doesn't mention OAT which is critical to the body's
water usage. If one were riding in the Mojave desert on the 4th of
July your liquid requirement wouldn't be sufficient and if in Nome on
Christmas day it would be overkill.



It's not my equation, it is recommended by sports medicine guys and they
know a thing or two about dehydration. I assume they calculated for
heavy riding where you pump out close to as much as your body will give
at the current weather conditions. Note they say "per hour", not "per xx
miles".


If your experts did not mention air temperature and humidity then they
weren't experts.

As an example. When I was stationed at Edwards AFB, in the Mojave
desert, a couple of "rock hounds" got stuck within easy walking
distance of a main highway and decided to walk out to get help. the
collapsed and died before they had walked 3 miles.

On the other hand I can ride 20 km (about 12 miles) in tropical
Thailand without drinking a bit.

The difference, of course, is that in the Mojave desert "summertime"
temperatures can be as high as 120 degrees (F) while in Thailand
average temperatures in the same period may be as high as 80 degrees
(F).

I might also comment that elite marathon runners often cross the
finish line dehydrated from 6 - 7%, so at least some of this hoopala
about hydration just isn't accurate. In fact hyponatremia, caused by
taking in too much water is a potentially fatal condition

By the way, weighing one's self before and after exercise provides a
much better indication of hydration then thirst. The usually accepted
figure is not more then a 2% loss in body weight. Although as
mentioned above, elite runners do exceed that number.
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Cheers,

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Old August 1st 17, 04:55 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2017 11:37:23 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 2:00:33 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
Snipped
Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one
extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the bike".

Snipped
It's not my equation, it is recommended by sports medicine guys and they
know a thing or two about dehydration. I assume they calculated for
heavy riding where you pump out close to as much as your body will give
at the current weather conditions. Note they say "per hour", not "per xx
miles".


The same sports medicine guys who used to recomend that runners and other athletes drink so much water during exercise that some runners and athletes died of hyponatremia or water intoxication.

Or are those sports medicine guys getting a kickback from the energy drink people?

Cheers


I don't know what they recommend now but the old time scheme was to
drink until one's urine was clear and you were good to go.

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Cheers,

John B.

 




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