Beaded tires higher cost than folding, why?

My last but one Gatorskin went, side wall damage, the usual. The side
wall on the rear tire looks iffy already and if that blows I'd have no
more spare for it. So it's time to refill the basement stack.
Unfortunately the CST Correre only comes in 700c*23mm. This leaves the
Gatorskin Hardshell with supposedly better side walls but ... the
700c*25 beaded is $48, ouch, too much. To my surprise the foldable is
"only" $39. Why is that?

I don't want the normal Gatorskins anymore because the side walls are
too flimsy.

If anyone knows about another new tire that is very puncture resistant
and low cost that would be nice. Weight does not matter and heavier is
usually better.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:09:24 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
My last but one Gatorskin went, side wall damage, the usual. The side
wall on the rear tire looks iffy already and if that blows I'd have no
more spare for it. So it's time to refill the basement stack.
Unfortunately the CST Correre only comes in 700c*23mm. This leaves the
Gatorskin Hardshell with supposedly better side walls but ... the
700c*25 beaded is $48, ouch, too much. To my surprise the foldable is
"only" $39. Why is that?

I don't want the normal Gatorskins anymore because the side walls are
too flimsy.

If anyone knows about another new tire that is very puncture resistant
and low cost that would be nice. Weight does not matter and heavier is
usually better.

The cost difference is invariably sales driven only. The folding tires should always cost a little more than the steel beads but it's a toss-up.

There are several tires out with reinforced treads but I haven't found any that I like and are cheap.


Specialized Armadilloes cost an arm and a leg and they work better than Gatorskins in my experience.

There is a new tire on the market that sounds just up your alley - MICHELIN PRO4 ENDURANCE TIRE - CLINCHER - you can get them in 23, 25 and 28 mm from Competitive Cyclist for only $25. All of the reviews on them are good but the tire is still new yet.

On 2017-01-02 15:45, wrote:
On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:09:24 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
My last but one Gatorskin went, side wall damage, the usual. The
side wall on the rear tire looks iffy already and if that blows I'd
have no more spare for it. So it's time to refill the basement
stack. Unfortunately the CST Correre only comes in 700c*23mm. This
leaves the Gatorskin Hardshell with supposedly better side walls
but ... the 700c*25 beaded is $48, ouch, too much. To my surprise
the foldable is "only" $39. Why is that?

I don't want the normal Gatorskins anymore because the side walls
are too flimsy.

If anyone knows about another new tire that is very puncture
resistant and low cost that would be nice. Weight does not matter
and heavier is usually better.

The cost difference is invariably sales driven only. The folding
tires should always cost a little more than the steel beads but it's
a toss-up.

There are several tires out with reinforced treads but I haven't
found any that I like and are cheap.


CST makes the Correre and Conquistare series. However, they haven't
gotten the message yet that 25mm is the usual size these days.


Specialized Armadilloes cost an arm and a leg and they work better
than Gatorskins in my experience.

There is a new tire on the market that sounds just up your alley -
MICHELIN PRO4 ENDURANCE TIRE - CLINCHER - you can get them in 23, 25
and 28 mm from Competitive Cyclist for only $25.


Unfortunately they don't have 25mm.

http://www.competitivecyclist.com/mi...FOQ0UgVElSRQ==

I'd like 28mm but it won't fit in my frame. 23mm is too iffy because of
numerous required offroad stints and the occasional heavy load.

I am also looking at the CST Conquistare which comes in 25mm but
unfortunately only the foldable one has 3-ply all across the sidewalls.
Whether on the MTB or the road bike only about half of my tires make it
to the end (where the surface is waron away) without a side wall giving up.


... All of the reviews
on them are good but the tire is still new yet.



Amazon wants almost $59 for the 25mmm. Yikes!

https://www.amazon.com/Michelin-Pro4...E4O?th=1&psc=1

I don't mind being the test rider if the specs are good. But not at $59.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 1/2/2017 7:21 PM, Joerg wrote:


I'd like 28mm but it won't fit in my frame. 23mm is too iffy because of
numerous required offroad stints and the occasional heavy load.

I'm still amazed by the number of bikes that can't accept a 28mm tire.
I see no advantage to building that limitation into a bike.


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 5:38:37 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/2/2017 7:21 PM, Joerg wrote:


I'd like 28mm but it won't fit in my frame. 23mm is too iffy because of
numerous required offroad stints and the occasional heavy load.

I'm still amazed by the number of bikes that can't accept a 28mm tire.
I see no advantage to building that limitation into a bike.

Yet another advantage of older steel frames.

On 2017-01-03 06:27, wrote:
On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 5:38:37 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/2/2017 7:21 PM, Joerg wrote:


I'd like 28mm but it won't fit in my frame. 23mm is too iffy because of
numerous required offroad stints and the occasional heavy load.

I'm still amazed by the number of bikes that can't accept a 28mm tire.
I see no advantage to building that limitation into a bike.

Yet another advantage of older steel frames.


This _is_ a steel frame and 1982 should count as old, Gazelle Trim
Trophy. This frame:

https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/234710/

28mm would go through there but only if the rear wheel is 110% true. Due
to a lot of offroad use it never is. In the front anything goes through.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

tight ? how long are these tires lasting ? divide by cost

buy a new frame for 35-32

you have the wong tire consult Conti...uneeda commuter in 32

On 2017-01-02 18:46, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
tight ? how long are these tires lasting ? divide by cost


Gatorskins last 2500mi on the rear which is better than the (much lower
cost) Vredesteins I used to ride. But $50 is too much.


buy a new frame for 35-32


Yeah, right, throw everything away and buy new.


you have the wong tire consult Conti...uneeda commuter in 32


Last time I wrote to Conti they didn't even bother to answer.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Yeah, right, throw everything away and buy new.

https://www.google.com/#q=used+tusca...bicycle+frames


used. is super abt cycling we can switch horses n not pay out the nose for it.

if the current ride is susceptible to a gross upgrade in lifestyle with a new (used) bike then **** man go for it.

I doahno narrow tires n rims. 32 Conti TT n Turbos are terrific. Before they died I bought 10 3/8th's 3 rib fresh Kendas...in an armload. ebullient over the road tire

Conti's website is excellent at explaining Conti's line.

No one has time to talk. I wanna ask Hella WTF goes on with the replacement units I have but the answer is find an expert n have him examine your problem. Which is true n I cannah ask for more.

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 7:33:28 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-02 18:46, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
tight ? how long are these tires lasting ? divide by cost


Gatorskins last 2500mi on the rear which is better than the (much lower
cost) Vredesteins I used to ride. But $50 is too much.


buy a new frame for 35-32


Yeah, right, throw everything away and buy new.


you have the wong tire consult Conti...uneeda commuter in 32


Last time I wrote to Conti they didn't even bother to answer.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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