Beaded tires higher cost than folding, why?

On 2017-01-03 15:43, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 5:06:45 PM UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-03 13:35, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 12:01:45 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:

That is definitely not the case in the Sierra foothills. They are a bane
all summer long. Even now and rain doesn't seem to squash them either. I
picked two out of a tire on Sunday and it has rained a lot.

I would think that they would spray for the fern-like plant since it is fatal forage for sheep.


I think they have given up spraying. Same with star-thistle. It is
simply too late.

Animals seem to have a good sense of what isn't so good for them, at
least wild ones. We have lots of oleander which is dangerous for
animals. Currently we have to adult females and one fawn around here.
Occasionally a not so friendly looking buck. They eat just about
everything green but never touch the oleanders.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

ahhh J you miss the understanding. If animals are stupid they would not survive.


Doubtful that there is an evolutionary effect in North America because
oleander is not native here. It was brought here IIRC from Europa and
Europe got it from Africa.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 4:22:04 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-03 15:43, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 5:06:45 PM UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-03 13:35, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 12:01:45 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:

That is definitely not the case in the Sierra foothills. They are a bane
all summer long. Even now and rain doesn't seem to squash them either. I
picked two out of a tire on Sunday and it has rained a lot.

I would think that they would spray for the fern-like plant since it is fatal forage for sheep.


I think they have given up spraying. Same with star-thistle. It is
simply too late.

Animals seem to have a good sense of what isn't so good for them, at
least wild ones. We have lots of oleander which is dangerous for
animals. Currently we have to adult females and one fawn around here.
Occasionally a not so friendly looking buck. They eat just about
everything green but never touch the oleanders.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

ahhh J you miss the understanding. If animals are stupid they would not survive.


Doubtful that there is an evolutionary effect in North America because
oleander is not native here. It was brought here IIRC from Europa and
Europe got it from Africa.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

While is has a pleasant odor when in bloom which is most of the spring, summer and fall, it grows so unbelievably rapid that after the two years I was knocked out from the concussion the plant went from a small shrub to up over the top of my roof. After coming around it took me three weeks of filling the large agricultural waste bin to chop the plant down to size. Now I have to trim it even in the winter cold at least every three weeks. Otherwise it entangles itself around the custom steel framework of my front porch.

On 2017-01-04 09:12, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 4:22:04 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-03 15:43, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 5:06:45 PM UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-03 13:35, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 12:01:45 PM UTC-8, Joerg
wrote:

That is definitely not the case in the Sierra foothills.
They are a bane all summer long. Even now and rain doesn't
seem to squash them either. I picked two out of a tire on
Sunday and it has rained a lot.

I would think that they would spray for the fern-like plant
since it is fatal forage for sheep.


I think they have given up spraying. Same with star-thistle. It
is simply too late.

Animals seem to have a good sense of what isn't so good for
them, at least wild ones. We have lots of oleander which is
dangerous for animals. Currently we have to adult females and
one fawn around here. Occasionally a not so friendly looking
buck. They eat just about everything green but never touch the
oleanders.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

ahhh J you miss the understanding. If animals are stupid they
would not survive.


Doubtful that there is an evolutionary effect in North America
because oleander is not native here. It was brought here IIRC from
Europa and Europe got it from Africa.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

While is has a pleasant odor when in bloom which is most of the
spring, summer and fall, it grows so unbelievably rapid that after
the two years I was knocked out from the concussion the plant went
from a small shrub to up over the top of my roof. After coming around
it took me three weeks of filling the large agricultural waste bin to
chop the plant down to size. Now I have to trim it even in the winter
cold at least every three weeks. Otherwise it entangles itself around
the custom steel framework of my front porch.


Same here except we have about two dozen of them. The only way to get it
of the is to dig out the whole thing. That works at least sometimes.

The worst out here for mountain bikers is poison oak. Some areas have a
literal forest of it. If your are very senstive to that like I am one
little rear wheel slide can mean weeks of itching and ugly pus. This is
a main reason why I have slowed down on many trails. My color vision
isn't great so if I barrel along a trail at 20mph I won't see it in time.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 7:41:41 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-03 06:21, wrote:
On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 4:21:52 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-02 15:45, wrote:

[...]


... All of the reviews on them are good but the tire is still
new yet.



Amazon wants almost $59 for the 25mmm. Yikes!

https://www.amazon.com/Michelin-Pro4...E4O?th=1&psc=1



I don't mind being the test rider if the specs are good. But not at $59.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I am pretty sure that they had the 25 when I put that not out. Man,
the word should have gone out pretty fast. I bought a set of the 23's
to test.

The Gatorskins are OK but they are pretty stiff and don't corner all
that well. ...


I don't care much about cornering since most of my stretches on the road
bike are straight shots for miles and miles. Curves are mostly gentle
like this:

https://www.traillink.com/photos/ame..._1802_trlc.jpg

An extreme is this bike path where you have to watch not to fall asleep
over the handlebar:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._bike_path.jpg


There's too much glass on the roads around here to have
anything other than a reinforced tire.


Here as well but of more concern are goat's head thorns. Only the best
Kevlar-armed tires survive and only if you run extra thick tubes. An
issue are the notoriously weak side walls of even expensive tires. It
takes only one thorn to flip over or to get in while leaning into a
curve. The tube damage is often so bad that it can be fixed reliably and
with my tubes that's $15-20 worth of damage every time.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

You haven't tried them yet obviously
http://www.performancebike.com/webap...&searchTer m=

On 2017-01-04 12:24, Doug Landau wrote:
On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 7:41:41 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-03 06:21, wrote:
On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 4:21:52 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-02 15:45, wrote:

[...]


... All of the reviews on them are good but the tire is still
new yet.



Amazon wants almost $59 for the 25mmm. Yikes!

https://www.amazon.com/Michelin-Pro4...E4O?th=1&psc=1



I don't mind being the test rider if the specs are good. But not at $59.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I am pretty sure that they had the 25 when I put that not out. Man,
the word should have gone out pretty fast. I bought a set of the 23's
to test.

The Gatorskins are OK but they are pretty stiff and don't corner all
that well. ...


I don't care much about cornering since most of my stretches on the road
bike are straight shots for miles and miles. Curves are mostly gentle
like this:

https://www.traillink.com/photos/ame..._1802_trlc.jpg

An extreme is this bike path where you have to watch not to fall asleep
over the handlebar:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._bike_path.jpg


There's too much glass on the roads around here to have
anything other than a reinforced tire.


Here as well but of more concern are goat's head thorns. Only the best
Kevlar-armed tires survive and only if you run extra thick tubes. An
issue are the notoriously weak side walls of even expensive tires. It
takes only one thorn to flip over or to get in while leaning into a
curve. The tube damage is often so bad that it can be fixed reliably and
with my tubes that's $15-20 worth of damage every time.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

You haven't tried them yet obviously
http://www.performancebike.com/webap...&searchTer m=


No and I couldn't find any useful professional reviews. They didn't show
in line-ups of puncture-resistant tires I saw. From pictures their tires
don't seem to be 3-ply in the side walls:

https://cycletechreview.com/2014/rev...pen-road-tyre/

Seems she got a side wall puncture when testing:

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/revie...open-road-tyre

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 1:04:14 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-04 12:24, Doug Landau wrote:
On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 7:41:41 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-03 06:21, wrote:
On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 4:21:52 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-02 15:45, wrote:

[...]


... All of the reviews on them are good but the tire is still
new yet.



Amazon wants almost $59 for the 25mmm. Yikes!

https://www.amazon.com/Michelin-Pro4...E4O?th=1&psc=1



I don't mind being the test rider if the specs are good. But not at $59.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I am pretty sure that they had the 25 when I put that not out. Man,
the word should have gone out pretty fast. I bought a set of the 23's
to test.

The Gatorskins are OK but they are pretty stiff and don't corner all
that well. ...


I don't care much about cornering since most of my stretches on the road
bike are straight shots for miles and miles. Curves are mostly gentle
like this:

https://www.traillink.com/photos/ame..._1802_trlc.jpg

An extreme is this bike path where you have to watch not to fall asleep
over the handlebar:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._bike_path.jpg


There's too much glass on the roads around here to have
anything other than a reinforced tire.


Here as well but of more concern are goat's head thorns. Only the best
Kevlar-armed tires survive and only if you run extra thick tubes. An
issue are the notoriously weak side walls of even expensive tires. It
takes only one thorn to flip over or to get in while leaning into a
curve. The tube damage is often so bad that it can be fixed reliably and
with my tubes that's $15-20 worth of damage every time.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

You haven't tried them yet obviously
http://www.performancebike.com/webap...&searchTer m=


No and I couldn't find any useful professional reviews. They didn't show
in line-ups of puncture-resistant tires I saw. From pictures their tires
don't seem to be 3-ply in the side walls:

https://cycletechreview.com/2014/rev...pen-road-tyre/

Seems she got a side wall puncture when testing:

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/revie...open-road-tyre


Those are not the tires I'm talking about. Those are lightweight, 300TPI; the models I'm talking, strada ST and K, are about are like a slightly heavier gatorskin with rubber on the sidewalls. 27 TPI.
https://drandalls.wordpress.com/2015...k-tire-review/

I think this is what you should be riding
http://www.performancebike.com/webap...400235__400235

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 5:44:49 PM UTC-5, Doug Landau wrote:
On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 1:04:14 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-04 12:24, Doug Landau wrote:
On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 7:41:41 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-03 06:21, wrote:
On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 4:21:52 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-02 15:45, wrote:

[...]


... All of the reviews on them are good but the tire is still
new yet.



Amazon wants almost $59 for the 25mmm. Yikes!

https://www.amazon.com/Michelin-Pro4...E4O?th=1&psc=1



I don't mind being the test rider if the specs are good. But not at $59.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I am pretty sure that they had the 25 when I put that not out. Man,
the word should have gone out pretty fast. I bought a set of the 23's
to test.

The Gatorskins are OK but they are pretty stiff and don't corner all
that well. ...


I don't care much about cornering since most of my stretches on the road
bike are straight shots for miles and miles. Curves are mostly gentle
like this:

https://www.traillink.com/photos/ame..._1802_trlc.jpg

An extreme is this bike path where you have to watch not to fall asleep
over the handlebar:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._bike_path.jpg


There's too much glass on the roads around here to have
anything other than a reinforced tire.


Here as well but of more concern are goat's head thorns. Only the best
Kevlar-armed tires survive and only if you run extra thick tubes. An
issue are the notoriously weak side walls of even expensive tires. It
takes only one thorn to flip over or to get in while leaning into a
curve. The tube damage is often so bad that it can be fixed reliably and
with my tubes that's $15-20 worth of damage every time.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

You haven't tried them yet obviously
http://www.performancebike.com/webap...&searchTer m=


No and I couldn't find any useful professional reviews. They didn't show
in line-ups of puncture-resistant tires I saw. From pictures their tires
don't seem to be 3-ply in the side walls:

https://cycletechreview.com/2014/rev...pen-road-tyre/

Seems she got a side wall puncture when testing:

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/revie...open-road-tyre


Those are not the tires I'm talking about. Those are lightweight, 300TPI; the models I'm talking, strada ST and K, are about are like a slightly heavier gatorskin with rubber on the sidewalls. 27 TPI.
https://drandalls.wordpress.com/2015...k-tire-review/

I think this is what you should be riding
http://www.performancebike.com/webap...400235__400235

Since weight and/or rolling resistance don't matter to Joerg perhaps he should just fill his tubes with cement/concrete? He'd never get a flat again and he could use the wheel to ward off mountain lions and/or other dangerous critters out in the wilds where he rides.

Cheers

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 3:03:59 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 5:44:49 PM UTC-5, Doug Landau wrote:
On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 1:04:14 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-04 12:24, Doug Landau wrote:
On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 7:41:41 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-03 06:21, wrote:
On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 4:21:52 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-02 15:45, wrote:

[...]


... All of the reviews on them are good but the tire is still
new yet.



Amazon wants almost $59 for the 25mmm. Yikes!

https://www.amazon.com/Michelin-Pro4...E4O?th=1&psc=1



I don't mind being the test rider if the specs are good. But not at $59.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I am pretty sure that they had the 25 when I put that not out. Man,
the word should have gone out pretty fast. I bought a set of the 23's
to test.

The Gatorskins are OK but they are pretty stiff and don't corner all
that well. ...


I don't care much about cornering since most of my stretches on the road
bike are straight shots for miles and miles. Curves are mostly gentle
like this:

https://www.traillink.com/photos/ame..._1802_trlc.jpg

An extreme is this bike path where you have to watch not to fall asleep
over the handlebar:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._bike_path.jpg


There's too much glass on the roads around here to have
anything other than a reinforced tire.


Here as well but of more concern are goat's head thorns. Only the best
Kevlar-armed tires survive and only if you run extra thick tubes. An
issue are the notoriously weak side walls of even expensive tires. It
takes only one thorn to flip over or to get in while leaning into a
curve. The tube damage is often so bad that it can be fixed reliably and
with my tubes that's $15-20 worth of damage every time.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

You haven't tried them yet obviously
http://www.performancebike.com/webap...&searchTer m=


No and I couldn't find any useful professional reviews. They didn't show
in line-ups of puncture-resistant tires I saw. From pictures their tires
don't seem to be 3-ply in the side walls:

https://cycletechreview.com/2014/rev...pen-road-tyre/

Seems she got a side wall puncture when testing:

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/revie...open-road-tyre


Those are not the tires I'm talking about. Those are lightweight, 300TPI; the models I'm talking, strada ST and K, are about are like a slightly heavier gatorskin with rubber on the sidewalls. 27 TPI.
https://drandalls.wordpress.com/2015...k-tire-review/

I think this is what you should be riding
http://www.performancebike.com/webap...400235__400235

Since weight and/or rolling resistance don't matter to Joerg perhaps he should just fill his tubes with cement/concrete? He'd never get a flat again and he could use the wheel to ward off mountain lions and/or other dangerous critters out in the wilds where he rides.


He is a mere $17.99 away from nirvana; he just doesn't know it

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:20:30 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-04 09:12, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 4:22:04 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-03 15:43, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 5:06:45 PM UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-03 13:35, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 12:01:45 PM UTC-8, Joerg
wrote:

That is definitely not the case in the Sierra foothills.
They are a bane all summer long. Even now and rain doesn't
seem to squash them either. I picked two out of a tire on
Sunday and it has rained a lot.

I would think that they would spray for the fern-like plant
since it is fatal forage for sheep.


I think they have given up spraying. Same with star-thistle. It
is simply too late.

Animals seem to have a good sense of what isn't so good for
them, at least wild ones. We have lots of oleander which is
dangerous for animals. Currently we have to adult females and
one fawn around here. Occasionally a not so friendly looking
buck. They eat just about everything green but never touch the
oleanders.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

ahhh J you miss the understanding. If animals are stupid they
would not survive.


Doubtful that there is an evolutionary effect in North America
because oleander is not native here. It was brought here IIRC from
Europa and Europe got it from Africa.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

While is has a pleasant odor when in bloom which is most of the
spring, summer and fall, it grows so unbelievably rapid that after
the two years I was knocked out from the concussion the plant went
from a small shrub to up over the top of my roof. After coming around
it took me three weeks of filling the large agricultural waste bin to
chop the plant down to size. Now I have to trim it even in the winter
cold at least every three weeks. Otherwise it entangles itself around
the custom steel framework of my front porch.


Same here except we have about two dozen of them. The only way to get it
of the is to dig out the whole thing. That works at least sometimes.

The worst out here for mountain bikers is poison oak. Some areas have a
literal forest of it. If your are very senstive to that like I am one
little rear wheel slide can mean weeks of itching and ugly pus. This is
a main reason why I have slowed down on many trails. My color vision
isn't great so if I barrel along a trail at 20mph I won't see it in time.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Usually poison oak has to grow in partial lighting. That's what really gets me about the Eucalyptus forests they have planted. In a fir and pine forest the floor is usually too dark and the needles not conducive to poison oak growth.

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 6:48:31 PM UTC-5, Doug Landau wrote:
On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 3:03:59 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 5:44:49 PM UTC-5, Doug Landau wrote:
On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 1:04:14 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-04 12:24, Doug Landau wrote:
On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 7:41:41 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-03 06:21, wrote:
On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 4:21:52 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-01-02 15:45, wrote:

[...]


... All of the reviews on them are good but the tire is still
new yet.



Amazon wants almost $59 for the 25mmm. Yikes!

https://www.amazon.com/Michelin-Pro4...E4O?th=1&psc=1



I don't mind being the test rider if the specs are good. But not at $59.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I am pretty sure that they had the 25 when I put that not out. Man,
the word should have gone out pretty fast. I bought a set of the 23's
to test.

The Gatorskins are OK but they are pretty stiff and don't corner all
that well. ...


I don't care much about cornering since most of my stretches on the road
bike are straight shots for miles and miles. Curves are mostly gentle
like this:

https://www.traillink.com/photos/ame..._1802_trlc.jpg

An extreme is this bike path where you have to watch not to fall asleep
over the handlebar:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._bike_path.jpg


There's too much glass on the roads around here to have
anything other than a reinforced tire.


Here as well but of more concern are goat's head thorns. Only the best
Kevlar-armed tires survive and only if you run extra thick tubes.. An
issue are the notoriously weak side walls of even expensive tires. It
takes only one thorn to flip over or to get in while leaning into a
curve. The tube damage is often so bad that it can be fixed reliably and
with my tubes that's $15-20 worth of damage every time.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

You haven't tried them yet obviously
http://www.performancebike.com/webap...&searchTer m=


No and I couldn't find any useful professional reviews. They didn't show
in line-ups of puncture-resistant tires I saw. From pictures their tires
don't seem to be 3-ply in the side walls:

https://cycletechreview.com/2014/rev...pen-road-tyre/

Seems she got a side wall puncture when testing:

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/revie...open-road-tyre


Those are not the tires I'm talking about. Those are lightweight, 300TPI; the models I'm talking, strada ST and K, are about are like a slightly heavier gatorskin with rubber on the sidewalls. 27 TPI.
https://drandalls.wordpress.com/2015...k-tire-review/

I think this is what you should be riding
http://www.performancebike.com/webap...400235__400235

Since weight and/or rolling resistance don't matter to Joerg perhaps he should just fill his tubes with cement/concrete? He'd never get a flat again and he could use the wheel to ward off mountain lions and/or other dangerous critters out in the wilds where he rides.


He is a mere $17.99 away from nirvana; he just doesn't know it

FOOOP

a few riders are insepreabble from their self image

buy this

http://www.continental-tires.com/bic...s/touring-plus