More cyclists getting in the way

http://www.hippyshopper.com/2011/03/..._cyclists.html

why don't cyclists campaign for cyclists to be trained?, they are the ones
causing the problems. If cyclists will just stop putting themselves into
stupid positions then they will not get run over.

Originally Posted by Mrcheerful[_2_]

http://www.hippyshopper.com/2011/03/..._cyclists.html

why don't cyclists campaign for cyclists to be trained?, they are the ones
causing the problems. If cyclists will just stop putting themselves into
stupid positions then they will not get run over.

That's a little unfair. This comment doesn't take into account the fact that people in cars feel superior to those on bikes. It's stupid.

On Mar 30, 8:04*am, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
http://www.hippyshopper.com/2011/03/..._cyclists.html

why don't cyclists campaign for cyclists to be trained?, they are the ones
causing the problems. *If cyclists will just stop putting themselves into
stupid positions then they will not get run over.

Your source starts by saying...

"If you've ever traversed your way around London's streets you know it
can be a daunting and dangerous task - both on foot and on bike!.."

So why do you think this is and what makes it so dangerous? I'll tell
you, DRIVERS!

Doug.

Doug wrote:
On Mar 30, 8:04 am, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
http://www.hippyshopper.com/2011/03/..._cyclists.html

why don't cyclists campaign for cyclists to be trained?, they are
the ones causing the problems. If cyclists will just stop putting
themselves into stupid positions then they will not get run over.

Your source starts by saying...

"If you've ever traversed your way around London's streets you know it
can be a daunting and dangerous task - both on foot and on bike!.."

So why do you think this is and what makes it so dangerous? I'll tell
you, DRIVERS!

Doug.

when I went to central London recently the endangerment and injury to
pedestrians that I saw all came from cyclists. If all cycling in London
was banned there would be zero cyclists squashed or injured and far fewer
pedestrian injuries. Drivers would be able to more attentive to the
remaining traffic/pedestrians and so would have fewer accidents too.

"Mrcheerful" wrote:

when I went to central London recently the endangerment and injury to
pedestrians that I saw all came from cyclists.

You need to go to Specsavers. TfL 2009 figures for Greater London:

Pedestrians injured by cyclists: 78
Pedestrians injured by motor vehicles: 5,049.

Bet you didn't really see a single pedestrian injury by a cyclist with only
one happening in the whole of London every 5 days.

--
Tony

On 30/03/2011 11:34, Tony Raven wrote:

wrote:

when I went to central London recently the endangerment and injury to
pedestrians that I saw all came from cyclists.

You need to go to Specsavers. TfL 2009 figures for Greater London:
Pedestrians injured by cyclists: 78
Pedestrians injured by motor vehicles: 5,049.

Surely his journey to Central (or even Greater) London did not last from
1/1/2009 to 31/12/2009? And yet you expect him to have witnessed every
accident which took place during that calendar year and challenge his account
of what he did see on the bsis that you think he should have seen more.

Bet you didn't really see a single pedestrian injury by a cyclist with only
one happening in the whole of London every 5 days.

Make your mind up. Should he have seen everything, or nothing?

JNugent wrote:
On 30/03/2011 11:34, Tony Raven wrote:

wrote:

when I went to central London recently the endangerment and injury
to pedestrians that I saw all came from cyclists.

You need to go to Specsavers. TfL 2009 figures for Greater London:
Pedestrians injured by cyclists: 78
Pedestrians injured by motor vehicles: 5,049.

Surely his journey to Central (or even Greater) London did not last
from 1/1/2009 to 31/12/2009? And yet you expect him to have witnessed
every accident which took place during that calendar year and
challenge his account of what he did see on the bsis that you think
he should have seen more.
Bet you didn't really see a single pedestrian injury by a cyclist
with only one happening in the whole of London every 5 days.

Make your mind up. Should he have seen everything, or nothing?

I saw three collisions between cyclists and pedestrians. I saw one between
two cyclists. I don't expect that any of the collisions resulted in serious
injury and therefore would be unlikely to appear in any stats. However,
every one of them was unnecessary and caused by cyclist selfishness. I was
startled by the sudden approach of several cyclists while I was on the
pavement, especially the ones that come up behind you with no warning sound.
I did not see any cars hit anyone, I did see a car nearly turn into a no
entry one way street, but he did not carry on. Bear in mind that I was only
walking for about half an hour and driving for about two. Weekday during
the working day.

Mrcheerful

JNugent wrote:
On 30/03/2011 11:34, Tony Raven wrote:

wrote:

when I went to central London recently the endangerment and injury to
pedestrians that I saw all came from cyclists.

You need to go to Specsavers. TfL 2009 figures for Greater London:
Pedestrians injured by cyclists: 78
Pedestrians injured by motor vehicles: 5,049.

Surely his journey to Central (or even Greater) London did not last from
1/1/2009 to 31/12/2009? And yet you expect him to have witnessed every
accident which took place during that calendar year and challenge his
account of what he did see on the bsis that you think he should have
seen more.

Not at all. He claims to have seen endangerment AND injury when he was
there. If he was there for five days, the probability was that there
was just one such injury in the whole of Greater London during that
stay. The probability that he saw it is incredibly small unless he is
omnipresent. In fact the probability is pretty low even if he had
stayed there the whole year and spent all his time 24/7/365 walking the
streets looking for cyclists injuring pedestrians.


Bet you didn't really see a single pedestrian injury by a cyclist with
only
one happening in the whole of London every 5 days.

Make your mind up. Should he have seen everything, or nothing?

I'm saying it very very unlikely he saw a pedestrian injury and
therefore that his claims are more fiction than fact. He was sixty five
times more likely to have seen a pedestrian injured by a motor vehicle -
something he claims to have seen none of at all - than by a cyclist.

YMWV

Tony

On 30/03/2011 11:34, Tony Raven wrote:
wrote:

when I went to central London recently the endangerment and injury to
pedestrians that I saw all came from cyclists.

You need to go to Specsavers. TfL 2009 figures for Greater London:

Pedestrians injured by cyclists: 78
Pedestrians injured by motor vehicles: 5,049.

Bet you didn't really see a single pedestrian injury by a cyclist with only
one happening in the whole of London every 5 days.


When the cyclist ran into me, it did not get reported.

On 30 Mar 2011 10:34:38 GMT, Tony Raven wrote:

"Mrcheerful" wrote:

when I went to central London recently the endangerment and injury to
pedestrians that I saw all came from cyclists.

You need to go to Specsavers. TfL 2009 figures for Greater London:

Pedestrians injured by cyclists: 78
Pedestrians injured by motor vehicles: 5,049.

Bet you didn't really see a single pedestrian injury by a cyclist with only
one happening in the whole of London every 5 days.


I really wonder if you believe this ****e that you post?

Do you really believe that there is only one accident between a pedestrian and a cyclist only once
every five days in the whole of London?

You are getting just like Porky Chapman and his little piglets - not exactly lies but as close as
can be.

What you meant to say was that the police were involved with such accidents once every five days.
I have witnessed (and experienced) a number of accidents between pedestrians and cyclists.

The police were never called - and half the time the cyclist ****ed off smartish.

So that is why the number appears to be low.

But of course you know that don't you?

However - it is great that you post ****e like this on a regular basis - as people can see that you
are having to clutch at straws more and more often.



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"Then back to my club on Pall Mall "

Tony Raven - pretentious tosser