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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand.
Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers |
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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 17:24:35 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers I suspect that is very much a matter of "you want it, we got it". the extra cost of making a 12 speed cassette would be the cost of making two more cassette cogs, assuming a road bike type cassette. Many cogs appear to be stamped out so once the tooling is paid for it would be a matter of Stamp, Stamp. Plus, of course the cost of the steel plate used. I'm fairly sure that this is true of most bicycle parts and components. -- Cheers, John B. |
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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
On 2018-08-04 17:24, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Buy them elsewhere. Fat tires still have that "novelty mark-up". https://www.amazon.com/XL-Studded-12.../dp/B00M2LME1S However, I generally do not spend more than $20 for an MTB tire. IME you often do not get what you pay for with bike stuff. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. It's fashion surcharges. When I was in a bike shop in Placerville and saw a 50T cassette for the first time my jaw almost dropped when they told me it's "only" $299. No way. Wait a few years and live with 40T until they come down in price. When they do I might put one on the road bike as I get older. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 7:24:37 PM UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. StarBike in Germany. Low cost for all bike products. 26" Schwalbe Ice Spiker for $41.77 USD. 54.33 Canadian dollars. 361 carbide studs. They have other studded tires from Continental and Nokian. Known brands. Never even heard of this Vee Tire Co you talk about. Not sure where Schwalbe, Continental, Nokian make their tires. China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Germany? Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette https://www.starbike.com/en/sram-xx1...12-speed-gold/ StarBike has the SRAM XG-1299 12 speed 10-50 cassette for $330 USD. And its GOLD!!!!!!!!! 429 Canadian dollars. Its very easy to find one retailer that has crazy prices for everything. Maybe this MEC is like that. But 99% of other retailers have normal prices for the same item. Yet some types of people, YOU, use this as an example for all the evil in the world. What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers |
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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-04 17:24, Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Buy them elsewhere. Fat tires still have that "novelty mark-up". https://www.amazon.com/XL-Studded-12.../dp/B00M2LME1S However, I generally do not spend more than $20 for an MTB tire. IME you often do not get what you pay for with bike stuff. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. It's fashion surcharges. When I was in a bike shop in Placerville and saw a 50T cassette for the first time my jaw almost dropped when they told me it's "only" $299. No way. Wait a few years and live with 40T until they come down in price. When they do I might put one on the road bike as I get older. I’ve found for road bikes there isn’t a huge difference in tyres, at least 23-28mm road race. But that MTB or even Gravel bikes more expensive ones do matter, not so much rolling resistance but grip, ie better designed tread with better ie softer gripper compound, if you live somewhere dry probably doesn’t matter as much. Roger Merriman |
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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 8:24:37 PM UTC-4, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers Addendum. When I made the original post it was because I marveled at the very high price of that tire, cassette and chain. How can any manufacturer justify such a high price for a tire or a cassette? Cheers |
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On 2018-08-05 08:48, Roger Merriman wrote:
Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-04 17:24, Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Buy them elsewhere. Fat tires still have that "novelty mark-up". https://www.amazon.com/XL-Studded-12.../dp/B00M2LME1S However, I generally do not spend more than $20 for an MTB tire. IME you often do not get what you pay for with bike stuff. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. It's fashion surcharges. When I was in a bike shop in Placerville and saw a 50T cassette for the first time my jaw almost dropped when they told me it's "only" $299. No way. Wait a few years and live with 40T until they come down in price. When they do I might put one on the road bike as I get older. I’ve found for road bikes there isn’t a huge difference in tyres, at least 23-28mm road race. But that MTB or even Gravel bikes more expensive ones do matter, not so much rolling resistance but grip, ie better designed tread with better ie softer gripper compound, if you live somewhere dry probably doesn’t matter as much. In the winter it gets very wet and muddy here but I haven't seen much of a difference between low cost Asian MTB tires and Western "brand name" ones. Regarding reliability there is a difference. I found the side walls on Asian tires to be more sturdy and that is most important to me. They might be an ounce or two heavier but, oh well. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
On 8/5/2018 11:08 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 8:24:37 PM UTC-4, Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers Addendum. When I made the original post it was because I marveled at the very high price of that tire, cassette and chain. How can any manufacturer justify such a high price for a tire or a cassette? Every product has outliers. A good vintage used mechanical Swiss watch starts $50 to $100. A good friend once celebrated a major achievement by buying a new Rado for $8000. A Rado keeps time as well as anything. YMMV p.s. tires - check out replacement rubber for a Bugatti Veyron. Ouch. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
On 8/5/2018 12:08 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 8:24:37 PM UTC-4, Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers Addendum. When I made the original post it was because I marveled at the very high price of that tire, cassette and chain. How can any manufacturer justify such a high price for a tire or a cassette? http://www.businessdictionary.com/de...ic-demand.html I'd say some products have (relatively) inelastic demand by the majority of consumers. Gasoline is a classic example. Some people will drive a bit less when its price goes up, but most have to just pay what they ask. But there are products with inelastic demand by a certain subset of consumers. If Ferrari adds $10,000 to the price of its sexiest car, no potential customer will say "That does it! I'm not paying _that_ price!!!" I think the same applies to certain products aimed at super-committed, tech obsessed, prosperous bike riders. They're satisfied only with the best, however they define it, and money is no object. Some manufacturers take advantage of that psychology. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-05 08:48, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-04 17:24, Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Buy them elsewhere. Fat tires still have that "novelty mark-up". https://www.amazon.com/XL-Studded-12.../dp/B00M2LME1S However, I generally do not spend more than $20 for an MTB tire. IME you often do not get what you pay for with bike stuff. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. It's fashion surcharges. When I was in a bike shop in Placerville and saw a 50T cassette for the first time my jaw almost dropped when they told me it's "only" $299. No way. Wait a few years and live with 40T until they come down in price. When they do I might put one on the road bike as I get older. I’ve found for road bikes there isn’t a huge difference in tyres, at least 23-28mm road race. But that MTB or even Gravel bikes more expensive ones do matter, not so much rolling resistance but grip, ie better designed tread with better ie softer gripper compound, if you live somewhere dry probably doesn’t matter as much. In the winter it gets very wet and muddy here but I haven't seen much of a difference between low cost Asian MTB tires and Western "brand name" ones. Regarding reliability there is a difference. I found the side walls on Asian tires to be more sturdy and that is most important to me. They might be an ounce or two heavier but, oh well. I suspect Welsh wet and muddy is a scale up, bear in mind the hills swallow stuff, like planes etc. The posh tyres I use are trail/enduro so they have reinforced sidewalls, not as heavy as a DH tyre but not far off, come in just a touch under a 1KG and thus far have shrugged off rock strikes etc, they do come in a Trail park Version ie hard wearing compound, but I like grip so take the wear rate hit. The cheap tyres I’ve used haven’t been worth it as ever mileage varies. Roger Merriman |
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