NGM is: Real Names vs. User Names

In article ,
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2006 03:15:01 -0500, "Edward Dolan"
wrote:
Yes, I think only moderated groups will work.

Usenet is a combination of moderated and unmoderated.
Some unmoderated groups work fine excepting spam.
The balance is in given hierarchies and subhierarchies.

Like rec.bicycles.off-road. It's DEAD, thanks to mountain bikers' fear
of the truth!

Minor hack.

An unmoderated group will be
chock full of idiots who will say lots of nasty things. That is human
nature.

Not necessarily.

But do you really just want to exchange information with others? That can
get rather dull after awhile and sooner or later you have exhausted the
subject. I do like the interplay of personality on an unmoderated group. I
think that would be pretty much missing on a moderated group. A little
fireworks from time to time makes for a more interesting group.

That's a rather boring passive way to look at news groups.
That's said by a person who has no concept of what a moderated group is.

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Eugene Miya wrote:
me to time makes for a more interesting group.


That's a rather boring passive way to look at news groups.
That's said by a person who has no concept of what a moderated group is.


You are attempting rational discourse with an irrational being.

PH

In article , pmhilton wrote:
Eugene Miya wrote:
me to time makes for a more interesting group.

That's a rather boring passive way to look at news groups.
That's said by a person who has no concept of what a moderated group is.


You are attempting rational discourse with an irrational being.

Oh I know that. Most people here are barely rational.
You mean Ed or Mikey?
You edited Ed's quote following my attribution.
Anyone can go fishing.

This is merely a net.ranger cast.

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"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 May 2006 03:15:01 -0500, "Edward Dolan"
wrote:


"Eugene Miya" wrote in message
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Usenet, NNTP, is merely a low priority communication protocol.
It is somewhat superior to mailing lists when scaling is an issue, and
somewhat under appreciated by web newbies. It is monitored by people
in
the know. The main problems are its text base and the learning curve
for setting up the right mix between moderated and un-moderated
groups.

In article ,
Edward Dolan wrote:
I don't think you would ever want anything but pure text for Usenet.
Otherwise some would be posting all kinds of obscene and pornographic
pictures.

The first point is something I argue with AI researcher friends about.
There is more to information than text.
Usenet was set up in a time of text. Binaries, specifically photos,
are nicely dealt with in alt.binaries.* None of these has been
overwhelmed by porn. Regular unmoderated groups have not either.
Again, this is why full feeds are coveted. Good binary programs,
sound, and images go to the alt.binaries groups.

The porn argument on the whole internet is overrated.
Far more serious problems exist at this time.

Not so! You do not not know the nature of the kind of criminal vandal trolls
(human scum) we have here on these cycling groups. I can assure you that we
would soon be overwhelmed with nothing but porn if it were permitted. I do
not even like the ability to post links. Just way too many scofflaws on
these groups.

Moderated groups are the ONLY way to go.

There was a group of cyclists from the Chicago area (Monkey Island) that
set
up a blog site and it consisted of nothing but obscene and porn attacks on
other cyclists and other groups. No thank you. I want text only when it
comes to Usenet. I am even very leery of links and will almost never go to
them unless I really trust the poster.

Also, it was my impression that all Usenet groups are unmoderated,
but there are a few newsgroups I have run across that do seem to be
moderated. Just why I can't figure out. I note in particular a newsgroup
called "rec.bicycles.off-road."

I moderate a group, comp.parallel.
The history of moderated groups began with a sub hierarchy of mod.*.
Then groups got reorganized. The issue has always been to balance
signal to noise. Moderation is a feature. It has helped out with a
slew of groups from rec.hunting, sci.military.moderated, the *.annouce
groups, etc. More groups should be moderated. Sci.environment should
have been moderated. Talk.environment should be fine. The talk.*
hierarchy as a whole deserves more respect. Now the world has blogs.

Yes, I think only moderated groups will work.

Moderated groups are the ONLY way to go.

Like rec.bicycles.off-road. It's DEAD, thanks to mountain bikers' fear
of the truth!

An unmoderated group will be
chock full of idiots who will say lots of nasty things. That is human
nature.

But do you really just want to exchange information with others? That can
get rather dull after awhile and sooner or later you have exhausted the
subject. I do like the interplay of personality on an unmoderated group. I
think that would be pretty much missing on a moderated group. A little
fireworks from time to time makes for a more interesting group.

If you want pure argument, you want talk.politics.*.

Well, I guess I really don't want pure argument. Life gets pretty grim
if
that is all one is doing.

Then change the paradigm.

My paradigm is perfect for unmoderated newsgroups. I assure you I would
know
how to pass muster on a moderated newsgroup. But there are just too many
idiots on unmoderated newsgroups and they need to be dealt with by the
likes
of Ed Dolan the Great.

Moderated groups are the ONLY way to go.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Eugene Miya" wrote in message
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In article ,
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2006 03:15:01 -0500, "Edward Dolan"
wrote:
Yes, I think only moderated groups will work.

Usenet is a combination of moderated and unmoderated.
Some unmoderated groups work fine excepting spam.
The balance is in given hierarchies and subhierarchies.

Like rec.bicycles.off-road. It's DEAD, thanks to mountain bikers' fear
of the truth!

Minor hack.

An unmoderated group will be
chock full of idiots who will say lots of nasty things. That is human
nature.

Not necessarily.

But do you really just want to exchange information with others? That can
get rather dull after awhile and sooner or later you have exhausted the
subject. I do like the interplay of personality on an unmoderated group.
I
think that would be pretty much missing on a moderated group. A little
fireworks from time to time makes for a more interesting group.

That's a rather boring passive way to look at news groups.
That's said by a person who has no concept of what a moderated group is.

Au contraire, you big dumbbell! Not only would I know how to write to a
moderated group, but I would be even better as the moderator myself. You,
for instance, would have a hard time passing muster because you are so
confounded dull all the time. Either say something interesting or get lost
why don't you!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

In article ,
Edward Dolan wrote:
In article ,
Edward Dolan wrote:
I don't think you would ever want anything but pure text for Usenet.
Otherwise some would be posting all kinds of obscene and pornographic
pictures.

The Web exists for that, and it makes money.

The porn argument on the whole internet is overrated.
Far more serious problems exist at this time.

Not so! You do not not know the nature of the kind of criminal vandal trolls
(human scum) we have here on these cycling groups. I can assure you that we
would soon be overwhelmed with nothing but porn if it were permitted. I do
not even like the ability to post links. Just way too many scofflaws on
these groups.

The cycling groups are innocuous (rec or alt).
I do know professional makers of porn and makes of bikes as well as
professional prostitutes in NV where it's in fact legal (just trying to
make a living, I interview them for the economics, kinda sad in some ways
and just working people on another).

Moderated groups are the ONLY way to go.

You have no idea, no experience, and are self admittedly technically
ignorant (proudly). And lazy. You are in a word self-defeating.

Moderated groups are the ONLY way to go.
...
Moderated groups are the ONLY way to go.

Repeating yourself 3 times does not make it so.
Copying all attributed text only further diminished your case.


Follow ups further reduced.

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That's said by a person who has no concept of what a moderated group is.

In article ,
Edward Dolan wrote:
Au contraire, you big dumbbell! Not only would I know how to write to a
moderated group, but I would be even better as the moderator myself. You,
Empty words Ed. Are you posting under the influence of alcohol?
for instance, would have a hard time passing muster because you are so
confounded dull all the time. Either say something interesting or get lost
why don't you!

Oh yeah, I try to do so on the weekends.
My moderated group posts have to wait until Monday when I get back.


Bye Ed.

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"Eugene Miya" wrote in message
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That's said by a person who has no concept of what a moderated group is.

In article ,
Edward Dolan wrote:

Au contraire, you big dumbbell! Not only would I know how to write to a
moderated group, but I would be even better as the moderator myself. You,
for instance, would have a hard time passing muster because you are so
confounded dull all the time. Either say something interesting or get lost
why don't you!

Empty words Ed. Are you posting under the influence of alcohol?

I am posting under the influence of your incredibly dull messages which go
nowhere. I am fed up to the hilt with computer freaks who are invariably as
stupid as the day is long.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Eugene Miya" wrote in message
news:454b9dda$1@darkstar...
In article ,
Edward Dolan wrote:
In article ,
Edward Dolan wrote:
I don't think you would ever want anything but pure text for Usenet.
Otherwise some would be posting all kinds of obscene and pornographic
pictures.

The Web exists for that, and it makes money.

It makes money for scoundrels and other ne'er-do-wells who do not have a
clue about how to make an honest living.

The porn argument on the whole internet is overrated.
Far more serious problems exist at this time.

Not so! You do not not know the nature of the kind of criminal vandal
trolls
(human scum) we have here on these cycling groups. I can assure you that
we
would soon be overwhelmed with nothing but porn if it were permitted. I do
not even like the ability to post links. Just way too many scofflaws on
these groups.

The cycling groups are innocuous (rec or alt).

They are mostly just stupid. Still, it is irritating when freaking trolls do
nothing but post garbage. Usenet is destroying itself with all its
stupidities. It will soon go the way of the Dodo Bird.

I do know professional makers of porn and makes of bikes as well as
professional prostitutes in NV where it's in fact legal (just trying to
make a living, I interview them for the economics, kinda sad in some ways
and just working people on another).

Whoops, you have just awakened Saint Edward the Great from his slumbers! All
prostitutes and whoremongers ought to be taken out and stoned to death in
the public square. And Great Saint that I am, I would toss the first stone.
Even the g.d. Muslims have a good idea every now and then.

Moderated groups are the ONLY way to go.

You have no idea, no experience, and are self admittedly technically
ignorant (proudly). And lazy. You are in a word self-defeating.

I am Great (see my signature) - and that is all you ever have to know about
me!

Moderated groups are the ONLY way to go.
..
Moderated groups are the ONLY way to go.

Repeating yourself 3 times does not make it so.
Copying all attributed text only further diminished your case.

Repetition is the key to all learning. Since you never say anything much, I
can only repeat myself and hope that maybe some of it will sink into that
thick skull of yours.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota