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Old September 7th 17, 04:39 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 6:14:12 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

One wonders why arson is no longer a capital crime. But hey,
Oregon culture.


One wonders why they don't believe in the value of human life and property. But as you say - Oregon is an entire state of people that must come from San Francisco.

Some man got tired of some deer eating his extremely expensive landscaping and shot two of them with a high powered pellet gun killing them. There was 20 minutes on the news about this being a hate crime that would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. In San Francisco this is probably 100 times worse that the knock out robberies that are committed daily. People as old as 86 have been hospitalized and they have clear pictures of the felon and somehow no one can find him. But killing deer is REALLY important.
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Old September 7th 17, 06:03 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 6:14:12 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/6/2017 9:25 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 4:32:03 PM UTC-7, James wrote:
On 06/09/17 08:12, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/5/2017 4:58 PM, James wrote:
Yesterday I rode 67km out to a dam and back (33.5km each way).

Descending the range near home, I passed a blue tongue
lizard that appeared to be attempting a road crossing.

There were numerous dead wallabies on the side of the road,
and a dead fox on the road.

A magpie swooped me several times but didn't make contact,
unlike the one on Friday.

A wallaby darted off the road ahead of me, and a goanna just
under a metre long ran across the road just ahead of me as
well.

No snakes this time, but goannas have been known to mistake
a person for a tree and climb up. With razor sharp claws
and venom in their bite, they are not to be trifled with!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/201...ia_a_21627361/



Seriously though, the risk of death by goanna bite is
probably about as high as the chances of winning lotto for
someone who doesn't buy tickets.

Council have stockpiled materials to replace a pick-a-plank
bridge along the road, so another terrible danger will soon
be gone.


Yikes! I thought our unseasonably cool, windy, wet morning sucked.
It was not as daunting as your ride!


Oh, I had to contend with strong wind as well, however it was warm, dry
and sunny here. No rain for over 4 months so far, but it is likely the
drought will break over the next couple of months as the temperature and
humidity increase.

However, you can keep your unseasonably cool, windy and wet. That kind
of weather I don't miss since leaving Melbourne.


It's scorching here -- literally.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/wind-whip...075128654.html

It's hard to breathe with all the smoke (no joke), but at least no mamba snakes or poisonous lizards crawling up my legs. This is the hottest summer on record in PDX, and it's getting old fast. We need a huge dump to put out all the fires, and that's not in the forecast.

-- Jay Beattie.


One wonders why arson is no longer a capital crime. But hey,
Oregon culture.


I don't think arson has been a capital crime in any state for 200 years -- except arson-related homicide or arson of an occupied house at night (e.g. Va.) Some dopey kids lit off fireworks around Eagle Creek -- which was supremely stupid, but I think stupid kids exist in all 50 US states and are unaffected by the criminal laws. One hopes they are found and punished.

-- Jay Beattie.

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Old September 7th 17, 06:13 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 8:39:42 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 6:14:12 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

One wonders why arson is no longer a capital crime. But hey,
Oregon culture.


One wonders why they don't believe in the value of human life and property. But as you say - Oregon is an entire state of people that must come from San Francisco.


Well, I can say with some certainty that practically any town in Oregon beats the ****-hole where you live -- at least by your description. And why is it that Oregonians don't believe in the value of human life and property? Death with dignity? Pffff. Once you've seen enough disease and death, you'll be gathering signatures for a ballot measure. Property rights are no different in Oregon than California (except no community property), and when it comes to burning forests, we've got laws against that, too -- just like every state in the union.

Some man got tired of some deer eating his extremely expensive landscaping and shot two of them with a high powered pellet gun killing them. There was 20 minutes on the news about this being a hate crime that would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. In San Francisco this is probably 100 times worse that the knock out robberies that are committed daily. People as old as 86 have been hospitalized and they have clear pictures of the felon and somehow no one can find him. But killing deer is REALLY important.


San Francisco is Sodom and Gomorrah. You should move to Tulsa and get away from all those liberal homos ruining your life and supporting you in your old age.

-- Jay Beattie.
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Old September 8th 17, 02:48 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 08:39:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 6:14:12 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

One wonders why arson is no longer a capital crime. But hey,
Oregon culture.


One wonders why they don't believe in the value of human life and property. But as you say - Oregon is an entire state of people that must come from San Francisco.

Some man got tired of some deer eating his extremely expensive landscaping and shot two of them with a high powered pellet gun killing them. There was 20 minutes on the news about this being a hate crime that would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. In San Francisco this is probably 100 times worse that the knock out robberies that are committed daily. People as old as 86 have been hospitalized and they have clear pictures of the felon and somehow no one can find him. But killing deer is REALLY important.


I don't understand this. My grandfather shot at least one deer a year
probably from the time he was 12 or 13 years old and no one seemed to
complain. I'd guess probably a hundred deer, or more, as if the game
warden was off somewhere else he'd shoot two. Goodness, my father used
to shoot deer and I've shot a few myself.

I can't remember anyone ever getting all fussed up about it.
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Old September 8th 17, 03:10 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 9/7/2017 9:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 08:39:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 6:14:12 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

One wonders why arson is no longer a capital crime. But hey,
Oregon culture.


One wonders why they don't believe in the value of human life and property. But as you say - Oregon is an entire state of people that must come from San Francisco.

Some man got tired of some deer eating his extremely expensive landscaping and shot two of them with a high powered pellet gun killing them. There was 20 minutes on the news about this being a hate crime that would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. In San Francisco this is probably 100 times worse that the knock out robberies that are committed daily. People as old as 86 have been hospitalized and they have clear pictures of the felon and somehow no one can find him. But killing deer is REALLY important.


I don't understand this. My grandfather shot at least one deer a year
probably from the time he was 12 or 13 years old and no one seemed to
complain. I'd guess probably a hundred deer, or more, as if the game
warden was off somewhere else he'd shoot two. Goodness, my father used
to shoot deer and I've shot a few myself.

I can't remember anyone ever getting all fussed up about it.


Unfortunately, our village officials would probably get all fussed up
about it if I shot some of the deer that frequent our yard. I'm tempted,
becasue they decimate our landscaping every winter.

I don't think even the neighbors would complain; in fact, the physicians
that own the big wooded lot behind me would be grateful. Not long after
building their huge house, a deer managed to get into a sunken garden
and destroy a lot of expensive stuff plus itself. They hated dealing
with the dead deer and the repairs, and now hate deer in general.

But there's no hunting in village limits. And my wife claim she doesn't
like venison anyway.

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- Frank Krygowski
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Old September 8th 17, 06:42 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 22:10:49 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 9/7/2017 9:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 08:39:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 6:14:12 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

One wonders why arson is no longer a capital crime. But hey,
Oregon culture.

One wonders why they don't believe in the value of human life and property. But as you say - Oregon is an entire state of people that must come from San Francisco.

Some man got tired of some deer eating his extremely expensive landscaping and shot two of them with a high powered pellet gun killing them. There was 20 minutes on the news about this being a hate crime that would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. In San Francisco this is probably 100 times worse that the knock out robberies that are committed daily. People as old as 86 have been hospitalized and they have clear pictures of the felon and somehow no one can find him. But killing deer is REALLY important.


I don't understand this. My grandfather shot at least one deer a year
probably from the time he was 12 or 13 years old and no one seemed to
complain. I'd guess probably a hundred deer, or more, as if the game
warden was off somewhere else he'd shoot two. Goodness, my father used
to shoot deer and I've shot a few myself.

I can't remember anyone ever getting all fussed up about it.


Unfortunately, our village officials would probably get all fussed up
about it if I shot some of the deer that frequent our yard. I'm tempted,
becasue they decimate our landscaping every winter.


I've never dwelt with deer, other then to shoot them from time to
time, but they are rather shy creatures and I wonder whether some
flags flapping or even random noise might keep them away.

We used to have a doe, with fawn, browsing in our "back field" in the
early mornings or evenings. She was quite aware of what was happening
in our yard - perhaps 200 yds away. If you drove into the yard she
would stand at attention and when you got out of the car she'd run.

I don't think even the neighbors would complain; in fact, the physicians
that own the big wooded lot behind me would be grateful. Not long after
building their huge house, a deer managed to get into a sunken garden
and destroy a lot of expensive stuff plus itself. They hated dealing
with the dead deer and the repairs, and now hate deer in general.

But there's no hunting in village limits. And my wife claim she doesn't
like venison anyway.

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Cheers,

John B.

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Old September 8th 17, 05:07 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 9/8/2017 1:42 AM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 22:10:49 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 9/7/2017 9:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 08:39:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 6:14:12 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

One wonders why arson is no longer a capital crime. But hey,
Oregon culture.

One wonders why they don't believe in the value of human life and property. But as you say - Oregon is an entire state of people that must come from San Francisco.

Some man got tired of some deer eating his extremely expensive landscaping and shot two of them with a high powered pellet gun killing them. There was 20 minutes on the news about this being a hate crime that would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. In San Francisco this is probably 100 times worse that the knock out robberies that are committed daily. People as old as 86 have been hospitalized and they have clear pictures of the felon and somehow no one can find him. But killing deer is REALLY important.

I don't understand this. My grandfather shot at least one deer a year
probably from the time he was 12 or 13 years old and no one seemed to
complain. I'd guess probably a hundred deer, or more, as if the game
warden was off somewhere else he'd shoot two. Goodness, my father used
to shoot deer and I've shot a few myself.

I can't remember anyone ever getting all fussed up about it.


Unfortunately, our village officials would probably get all fussed up
about it if I shot some of the deer that frequent our yard. I'm tempted,
becasue they decimate our landscaping every winter.


I've never dwelt with deer, other then to shoot them from time to
time, but they are rather shy creatures and I wonder whether some
flags flapping or even random noise might keep them away.

We used to have a doe, with fawn, browsing in our "back field" in the
early mornings or evenings. She was quite aware of what was happening
in our yard - perhaps 200 yds away. If you drove into the yard she
would stand at attention and when you got out of the car she'd run.


Things have changed dramatically in the past 20 years around here. The
deer population has soared, partly because of the suburban growth with
its resulting "edge" habitat, partly because of the decline in hunting's
popularity ("You're going to shoot Bambi???"), partly because we've
removed all the predators.

There are all sorts of useless tips about stringing ribbons from clothes
lines, having old compact discs flashing in the wind, putting bars of
fragrant soap near gardens, spraying Repels-All or other foul-smelling
repellent sprays, using various automated noise makers, etc. We've tried
most of them. Eventually my wife gave up vegetable gardening, and we've
resorted to putting up deer fences and netting over shrubbery for the
entire winter.

We sometimes see as many as five deer who have spent the dawn sleeping
in the woods at the end of our property. Walking in a wooded park,
we've been able to approach within 15 feet of a doe and two fawns before
they trotted off.

One PhD biologist friend works for a nature institute in a major city.
He travels around and consults on deer overpopulation - a concern of his
because deer are decimating populations of rare plants. He helps
organize hunts to cull the herds. I wouldn't be surprised if PETA has
"wanted dead or alive" posters with his photo.

Canada Geese are a similar and perhaps worse problem. 30 years ago we
rarely saw them. Now dozens to hundreds of them crowd any open grassy
area near water, leaving mine fields of droppings, fouling beaches,
polluting water, chasing people during gosling season. They don't even
bother to migrate any more.

But when our local metropark got permission from the state Department of
Natural Resources to reduce its goose population, the animal lovers
attacked the park offices with torches and pitchforks. You'd have
thought the park was killing babies instead of poop-producers.

For the life of me, I can't understand why Canada Geese are a protected
species.

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Old September 8th 17, 08:42 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 9/8/2017 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/8/2017 1:42 AM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 22:10:49 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 9/7/2017 9:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 08:39:38 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 6:14:12 AM UTC-7,
AMuzi wrote:



For the life of me, I can't understand why Canada Geese are
a protected species.


They poop all over taxpayers -it's part of The Agenda

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Old September 9th 17, 05:48 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 12:07:24 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 9/8/2017 1:42 AM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 22:10:49 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 9/7/2017 9:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 08:39:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 6:14:12 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

One wonders why arson is no longer a capital crime. But hey,
Oregon culture.

One wonders why they don't believe in the value of human life and property. But as you say - Oregon is an entire state of people that must come from San Francisco.

Some man got tired of some deer eating his extremely expensive landscaping and shot two of them with a high powered pellet gun killing them. There was 20 minutes on the news about this being a hate crime that would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. In San Francisco this is probably 100 times worse that the knock out robberies that are committed daily. People as old as 86 have been hospitalized and they have clear pictures of the felon and somehow no one can find him. But killing deer is REALLY important.

I don't understand this. My grandfather shot at least one deer a year
probably from the time he was 12 or 13 years old and no one seemed to
complain. I'd guess probably a hundred deer, or more, as if the game
warden was off somewhere else he'd shoot two. Goodness, my father used
to shoot deer and I've shot a few myself.

I can't remember anyone ever getting all fussed up about it.

Unfortunately, our village officials would probably get all fussed up
about it if I shot some of the deer that frequent our yard. I'm tempted,
becasue they decimate our landscaping every winter.


I've never dwelt with deer, other then to shoot them from time to
time, but they are rather shy creatures and I wonder whether some
flags flapping or even random noise might keep them away.

We used to have a doe, with fawn, browsing in our "back field" in the
early mornings or evenings. She was quite aware of what was happening
in our yard - perhaps 200 yds away. If you drove into the yard she
would stand at attention and when you got out of the car she'd run.


Things have changed dramatically in the past 20 years around here. The
deer population has soared, partly because of the suburban growth with
its resulting "edge" habitat, partly because of the decline in hunting's
popularity ("You're going to shoot Bambi???"), partly because we've
removed all the predators.

There are all sorts of useless tips about stringing ribbons from clothes
lines, having old compact discs flashing in the wind, putting bars of
fragrant soap near gardens, spraying Repels-All or other foul-smelling
repellent sprays, using various automated noise makers, etc. We've tried
most of them. Eventually my wife gave up vegetable gardening, and we've
resorted to putting up deer fences and netting over shrubbery for the
entire winter.

We sometimes see as many as five deer who have spent the dawn sleeping
in the woods at the end of our property. Walking in a wooded park,
we've been able to approach within 15 feet of a doe and two fawns before
they trotted off.

One PhD biologist friend works for a nature institute in a major city.
He travels around and consults on deer overpopulation - a concern of his
because deer are decimating populations of rare plants. He helps
organize hunts to cull the herds. I wouldn't be surprised if PETA has
"wanted dead or alive" posters with his photo.

Canada Geese are a similar and perhaps worse problem. 30 years ago we
rarely saw them. Now dozens to hundreds of them crowd any open grassy
area near water, leaving mine fields of droppings, fouling beaches,
polluting water, chasing people during gosling season. They don't even
bother to migrate any more.

But when our local metropark got permission from the state Department of
Natural Resources to reduce its goose population, the animal lovers
attacked the park offices with torches and pitchforks. You'd have
thought the park was killing babies instead of poop-producers.

For the life of me, I can't understand why Canada Geese are a protected
species.


I suspect that it is largely a problem created by people that live in
towns or villages. Farm families, if there are any left, do not accept
that a fox has any sort of inalienable right to eat their chickens and
will shoot him as soon as they see him and I suspect that the same
thing happens in areas where the coyote and wolf population is
increasing.

But of course, deer are sort of cute and I suppose that coyotes and
wolves are sort of interesting to look at... through the windows of an
air conditioned auto.

I also wonder if the town were to advise their residents that

"as of this date the federal government no longer offers a grant for
animal protection and therefore, effective this year, an additional
$1,000 tax will be levied on each household for the protection of deer
and Canadian Geese"

what would be the attitude toward wild animals :-)


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Old September 9th 17, 05:50 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 14:42:30 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 9/8/2017 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/8/2017 1:42 AM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 22:10:49 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 9/7/2017 9:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 08:39:38 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 6:14:12 AM UTC-7,
AMuzi wrote:



For the life of me, I can't understand why Canada Geese are
a protected species.


They poop all over taxpayers -it's part of The Agenda


I thought that was pigeons :-)
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John B.

 




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