CSV's Latest 'decree'

G'day all,

any of you with a racing licence had a chance to digest CSV's latest
'pronouncement from the mount'....concerning racing?. It's posted on
the CSV website in the 'news' section. For those that can't be bothered
reading it, it basically concerns who will be able to race where.
Apparently the ideaology that the holder of a CSV licence can race
'anywhere' (in a sanctioned race), is no more. From my reading of it,
ALL races will be divided into 1 of 3 catorgaries. 1/ A club race,
meaning ONLY members of the host club may race. 2/ A 'combine' race,
where only members of up to 10, 'preordained' clubs may race. 3/ An
'open', where anyone may race......what does this mean?...well the
likelihood is, for example, that the popular crit races hosted at Kew,
Glenvale Cres & Stkilda, will be limited to being either a club race or
a combine event. If they are a 'combine' event, the clubs (up to 10)
have to be 'pre nominated' & the host club will be restricted to
accepting entries from members of these clubs......All well & fine if
your club happens to be a member of the 'combine'. Members of the
larger metro clubs shouldn't have a problem, but what of the smaller
clubs & country clubs. Neither of these are likely to be 'nominated'
due to sheer lack of numbers, meaning that these members will be
restricted to racing club events & opens. Most smaller clubs, simply by
virtue of their size find it difficult to run regular 'club' events,
thus any members who choose to race, will be forced to join a larger
club that has access to 'combine' racing. The end result will be the
loss of country & smaller clubs as their members 'migrate' to holding
licences with larger clubs....Those conspiracy theorists amongest us
may well believe that this is CSV's intent!. Whatever, this latest
offering from CSV will do nothing for the sport of cycle racing. I urge
all club members to register their protest to CSV at this blatantly
ludicrous ruling....

Hitchy


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Hitchy

Hitchy wrote:
any of you with a racing licence had a chance to digest CSV's latest
'pronouncement from the mount'....concerning racing?. It's posted on
the CSV website in the 'news' section. For those that can't be bothered
reading it, it basically concerns who will be able to race where.
Apparently the ideaology that the holder of a CSV licence can race
'anywhere' (in a sanctioned race), is no more. From my reading of it,
ALL races will be divided into 1 of 3 catorgaries. 1/ A club race,
meaning ONLY members of the host club may race. 2/ A 'combine' race,
where only members of up to 10, 'preordained' clubs may race. 3/ An
'open', where anyone may race......what does this mean?...well the
likelihood is, for example, that the popular crit races hosted at Kew,
Glenvale Cres & Stkilda, will be limited to being either a club race or
a combine event. If they are a 'combine' event, the clubs (up to 10)
have to be 'pre nominated' & the host club will be restricted to
accepting entries from members of these clubs......All well & fine if
your club happens to be a member of the 'combine'. Members of the
larger metro clubs shouldn't have a problem, but what of the smaller
clubs & country clubs. Neither of these are likely to be 'nominated'
due to sheer lack of numbers, meaning that these members will be
restricted to racing club events & opens. Most smaller clubs, simply by
virtue of their size find it difficult to run regular 'club' events,
thus any members who choose to race, will be forced to join a larger
club that has access to 'combine' racing. The end result will be the
loss of country & smaller clubs as their members 'migrate' to holding
licences with larger clubs....Those conspiracy theorists amongest us
may well believe that this is CSV's intent!. Whatever, this latest
offering from CSV will do nothing for the sport of cycle racing. I urge
all club members to register their protest to CSV at this blatantly
ludicrous ruling....

I don't think any of the clubs would actually pay attention to that kind
of rule. If I rock up at Glenvale and flash a licence, they don't care
where I'm from - just so long as I have a current licence. Do you really
think any club would turn away a paying licenced rider?
No idea what they are changing the rules and what they hope to achieve.

hippy

Sounds like an extension of that idiotic email they sent out sayin
NOBODY could compete in that 2-race thingy in Bright a few weeks
back!

Fired off an email asking if they could tell me what is hould have o
my toast and what to wear the next day, as obviously they feel they ow
my arse now

PS whereTF have you been Hitch-meister???
Months ago you were naggin me to race and now, here i type, a winne


F"...heroes, but just for one day"Dutc

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flyingdutch

flyingdutch Wrote:
Sounds like an extension of that idiotic email they sent out sayin
NOBODY could compete in that 2-race thingy in Bright a few weeks
back!

Fired off an email asking if they could tell me what is hould have o
my toast and what to wear the next day, as obviously they feel they ow
my arse now

PS whereTF have you been Hitch-meister???
Months ago you were naggin me to race and now, here i type, a winne


F"...heroes, but just for one day"Dutch


Hope you blokes are right....it's gunna be a dark day for road racin
in this state if they try & enforce it. Its having an effect already,
know of a few blokes that regularly have taken part in the 'bendig
tour'......only this year we've been told unless you're a member of on
of the clubs nominated as in Bendigo's 'combine', you're not allowed t
compete.....sucks bigtime....whens the next CSV election...thes
peckerheads have gotta go!........So you bit the bullet & starte
racing....WOOHOO....kew crits?....grade?....you gunna do 'road' thi
year?. Hawthorn is a member of the Northern Combine....some good racin
to be had every Saturdee arvo from next weekend......

hitch

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Hitchy

Hitchy Wrote:
Hope you blokes are right....it's gunna be a dark day for road racing i
this state if they try & enforce it. Its having an effect already,
know of a few blokes that regularly have taken part in the 'bendig
tour'......only this year we've been told unless you're a member of on
of the clubs nominated as in Bendigo's 'combine', you're not allowed t
compete.....sucks bigtime....whens the next CSV election...thes
peckerheads have gotta go!........So you bit the bullet & starte
racing....WOOHOO....kew crits?....grade?....you gunna do 'road' thi
year?. Hawthorn is a member of the Northern Combine....some good racin
to be had every Saturdee arvo from next weekend......

hitchy

yeah N/combine ones. might just go along and get a taste (and no doub
a whoopin )
Did Kew crits, got a fourth, went to StK got 3 3rds, then to Glenval
for a 3rd n a 1st
Up in Cgrade to help out the Hip, and learn some hurt :

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flyingdutch

"Hitchy" wrote in message
...

G'day all,

any of you with a racing licence had a chance to digest CSV's latest
'pronouncement from the mount'....concerning racing?. It's posted on
the CSV website in the 'news' section. For those that can't be bothered
reading it, it basically concerns who will be able to race where.
Apparently the ideaology that the holder of a CSV licence can race
'anywhere' (in a sanctioned race), is no more. From my reading of it,
ALL races will be divided into 1 of 3 catorgaries. 1/ A club race,
meaning ONLY members of the host club may race. 2/ A 'combine' race,
where only members of up to 10, 'preordained' clubs may race. 3/ An
'open', where anyone may race......what does this mean?...well the
likelihood is, for example, that the popular crit races hosted at Kew,
Glenvale Cres & Stkilda, will be limited to being either a club race or
a combine event. If they are a 'combine' event, the clubs (up to 10)
have to be 'pre nominated' & the host club will be restricted to
accepting entries from members of these clubs......All well & fine if
your club happens to be a member of the 'combine'. Members of the
larger metro clubs shouldn't have a problem, but what of the smaller
clubs & country clubs. Neither of these are likely to be 'nominated'
due to sheer lack of numbers, meaning that these members will be
restricted to racing club events & opens. Most smaller clubs, simply by
virtue of their size find it difficult to run regular 'club' events,
thus any members who choose to race, will be forced to join a larger
club that has access to 'combine' racing. The end result will be the
loss of country & smaller clubs as their members 'migrate' to holding
licences with larger clubs....Those conspiracy theorists amongest us
may well believe that this is CSV's intent!. Whatever, this latest
offering from CSV will do nothing for the sport of cycle racing. I urge
all club members to register their protest to CSV at this blatantly
ludicrous ruling....

Hitchy


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Hitchy

I've had a read of Mr Ciavola's memo that dictates the new policy for cycle
racing in Vic. Below is my email response to his attempt to kill off
cycling in Victoria. As Hitchy has already said "I urge all club members to
register their protest to CSV"

Geoff
- not really feeling too inclined to race under this regime anymore if this
is what it's come to.
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Dear Joe,

I've just read your new policy re cycle racing in Victoria and I'm
gobsmacked and really at a loss to see how it helps promote participation in
the sport.

How does excluding people from events increase participation? To me all this
policy will do is decrease the number of club events, decrease the number of
clubs, decrease the number of riders in the sport and ultimately kill the
sport. Why would you want to do that?
Your draconian policy will mean the death of the smaller clubs as what club
in their right mind would "invite" a club with a small membership base to
their combine race. Ultimately the lack of racing options for the riders of
these clubs will lead to these riders leaving that club for another or just
giving up the sport altogether meaning the end for many non metro area clubs
and a few metro clubs as well.

What is the policy regarding riders visiting from interstate? I thought
having an ACF licence allowed you to support any club, combine or open event
no matter what part of Australia you came from or went to. This new policy
of yours effectively excludes visiting interstate riders from racing in any
Victorian event other than an open.

How does this affect the members of the ADF cycling club that are posted to
Victoria? These guys (men and women who serve our country) will never be
included in combine or club racing under the format you have imposed because
they don't belong to a Victorian club.

CSV should exist for the benefit of the sport in Victoria. It should not be
out to kill the sport at the grass roots level.
This truly is a sad time for cycling in Victoria.

I and many others look forward to your reply on this matter.
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"hippy" wrote in message
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Hitchy wrote:
any of you with a racing licence had a chance to digest CSV's latest
'pronouncement from the mount'....concerning racing?. It's posted on
the CSV website in the 'news' section. For those that can't be bothered
reading it, it basically concerns who will be able to race where.
Apparently the ideaology that the holder of a CSV licence can race
'anywhere' (in a sanctioned race), is no more. From my reading of it,
ALL races will be divided into 1 of 3 catorgaries. 1/ A club race,
meaning ONLY members of the host club may race. 2/ A 'combine' race,
where only members of up to 10, 'preordained' clubs may race. 3/ An
'open', where anyone may race......what does this mean?...well the
likelihood is, for example, that the popular crit races hosted at Kew,
Glenvale Cres & Stkilda, will be limited to being either a club race or
a combine event. If they are a 'combine' event, the clubs (up to 10)
have to be 'pre nominated' & the host club will be restricted to
accepting entries from members of these clubs......All well & fine if
your club happens to be a member of the 'combine'. Members of the
larger metro clubs shouldn't have a problem, but what of the smaller
clubs & country clubs. Neither of these are likely to be 'nominated' due
to sheer lack of numbers, meaning that these members will be
restricted to racing club events & opens. Most smaller clubs, simply by
virtue of their size find it difficult to run regular 'club' events,
thus any members who choose to race, will be forced to join a larger
club that has access to 'combine' racing. The end result will be the
loss of country & smaller clubs as their members 'migrate' to holding
licences with larger clubs....Those conspiracy theorists amongest us
may well believe that this is CSV's intent!. Whatever, this latest
offering from CSV will do nothing for the sport of cycle racing. I urge
all club members to register their protest to CSV at this blatantly
ludicrous ruling....

I don't think any of the clubs would actually pay attention to that kind
of rule. If I rock up at Glenvale and flash a licence, they don't care
where I'm from - just so long as I have a current licence. Do you really
think any club would turn away a paying licenced rider?
No idea what they are changing the rules and what they hope to achieve.

hippy

The memo says clubs will be obliged to submit entry lists to CSV for their
Club events so I'm sure part of this will include a record of licence
numbers/names of all competitors. This being the case I would assume CSV
would impose heavy penalties on any club that welcomed a member of another
club to their racing. This is truly a sad day for cycling in Australia.

Geoff

"Hitchy" wrote in message
...

G'day all,

any of you with a racing licence had a chance to digest CSV's latest
'pronouncement from the mount'....concerning racing?.


Strange move, here in SA the 'combines' were dispatched 2 or 3 years ago
because it was killing off one half of Adelaide's clubs (there was a north
and a south combine). The only good I could see in that old rule wasthat it
forced me to try track (as I couldn't do the crit racing I wanted to back
then!)

Last week the 'boundary rule' was also removed here in SA. So for those of
you in Adelaide who didn't like the idea of joining cycling because you
didn't want to have to join the club in your 'area' and would rather choose
yourself which club to join based upon what's on offer - well, now's your
chance! (or, get some mates together and form your own club - there's
nothing stopping you now!)

Cheers
Gemma

So if I come over from Tassie with my trusty steed, I won't be able t
race? Looks like I'll have to bring my golf clubs instead. At leas
in that sport I am welcome on any course in the country. If thi
ruling is an "insurance excuse" then at least let everyone know. An
sort of reasoning would be better than none!

I've been in sports administration myself and I'm always amazed to com
across people who want to make up petty rules that kill off the spor
they are professing to help. Luckily I've been in a position to ge
rid of some of these luddites. I suggest you Victorians get off you
bikes, get enough CSV members together to call an Extraordinary Genera
Meeting to get this ruling overturned (or even throw out the idiots wh
came up with it)

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Spider1977

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:09:27 +1000, Hitchy
wrote:


G'day all,

any of you with a racing licence had a chance to digest CSV's latest
'pronouncement from the mount'....concerning racing?.


My bet is it's to do with insurance. Combine events are defacto
opens to a certain extent, but without the extra insurance
requirements etc. Perhaps they realised that if something
happened and someone got hurt that they'd be rooted?

It sucks, but anything to do with insurance sucks. Insurance
is the essence of evil in the modern world.