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Rick Onanian writes:
Bill Z. wrote: The rest of you are IMHO out to lunch on the present discussion. Jay Hill writes: You're wrong, asshole. You incorrectly attributed something to Sorni. On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 08:13:45 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote: He is wrong. He also suffers from that peculiar middle-aged male malady that prevents him from being able to see it or admit it. Nothing you can do about it. Just be glad you're not married to him. I hope that as I approach middle age, I don't suffer from that malady. I find it's quite satisfying sometimes to admit being wrong and get on with stuff. Google groups for onanian "i stand corrected" for the most common way I admit I'm wrong... Sadly, a cursory glance through Google on my name will prove that I am severely in the grips of this malady myself. Sigh. :-P |
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Rick Onanian writes:
Frank is effectively anti-helmet, and I spent a lot of time in a helmet war sparring with him. I did learn to respect him, even if I don't agree. His views may (or may not) be mistaken and/or inaccurate, but they are well-reasoned, not idiotic. There is a difference between well-written and well-reasoned. I think you are confusing the two. While Frank would occasionally make resonable statements, he would then continue by going off the deep end in an attempt to butress his argument by throwing up strawmen, and using other such tactics. Much of what Krygowski posted consisted of pure propaganda. I'd rather see propaganda than another helmet war incited out of an unrelated courtesy issue. I'd rather not see propaganda. It distracts from rational dicussions. Sorni's complaint basically hinges on me snipping a four-word, content-free wisecrack of his after finishing my post due to his No, his complaint is about what you failed to snip. What I didn't snip did not change the attribution of any quoted text, which is what he claimed. Sheldon Brown uses a tagline that says something like "The nice thing about standards is that there's so many to choose from". Consider that clarity, even if it requires flouting a standard (it didn't in this case), beats a standard whose clarity may be questionable, even if you think it looks obvious. One of the reasons for the usenet standard for quoting was to make it readable by both machines and by people, to aid in such tasks as archving, where you might want to search for a keyword someone used, as opposed to a keyword someone quoted another poster as using. Normal English quoting conventions are ambigous. For instance, if I write, "Candidate for Governor in love nest with 'singer'," a line (approximately) from _Citizen Kane_, the quote around the word _singer_ would not necessarily mean that I was quoting someone's statement but rather questioning if the woman was really a singer. The usenet convention avoids such ambiguities. Bill -- My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB |
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The usenet convention avoids such ambiguities.
"Singer In Love Nest With Kane." -- _______________________ALL AMIGA IN MY MIND_______________________ ------------------"Buddy Holly, the Texas Elvis"------------------ in.edu__________ |
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"Eric S. Sande" writes: The usenet convention avoids such ambiguities. "Singer In Love Nest With Kane." I never knew Hearst the Elder was so passionate about sewing. Will wonderments never cease. I never dared suppose that Usenet has its own quoting system, separate from the normal, either. I guess stuff might go like: writes: Quoth The Raven: Nevermore. If Sylvia Plath had to write her stuff on Usenet, she'da gone nutz way sooner. cheers, Tom -- -- Powered by FreeBSD Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca |
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Where, where the Hell is Bill?
Where, where the Hell is Bill? Where, where the Hell is Bill? Where, where the Hell is Bill? Well, maybe he went to get a sideways haircut Maybe he went to get a striped shirt Maybe he went to get some plastic shoes Maybe he went to get some funny sunglasses Well, maybe he went to get an Air Force parka Maybe he went to get a Vespa scooter Maybe he went to get a British flag Maybe he went to go Mod Ska dancing Well, maybe he went to get a mohawk And maybe he went to get some gnarly thrash boots Maybe he went to go ride his skateboard Maybe he went to see the Circle Jerks -- david reuteler |
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Rick Onanian writes: Same technique, same results, eh? So long as ppl mellow out, cheer up, and chip-in some good vibes into the Collective Consciousness, everything's cool. Claire's way doesn't need herbs, roach clips or Bic lighters. Just oxygen and brains. Happiness and good will is not only infectuously self- replicating -- it's cheap and handy. Hell, it's the opposite of war & militarism. Kinda like Ray Charles' grin. It's pretty good stuff. I recently transcribed a documentary about the research sub, the 'Ben Franklin'. One of the objectives was to study (for NASA) the effects of isolation & confinement on an operational crew's effectiveness. Early on, they decided that if a dispute arose, they would endeavour to let the other person have the last word, rather than to try to have the last word for their self. It worked wonderfully, and everybody got along just fine. Sometimes I luv my job. I learn stuff from it. Sometimes it's even useful. cheers, Tom -- -- Powered by FreeBSD Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca |
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Tom Keats wrote:
So long as ppl mellow out, cheer up, and chip-in some good vibes into the Collective Consciousness, everything's cool. {snip} Happiness and good will is not only infectuously self- replicating -- it's cheap and handy. Hell, it's the opposite of war & militarism. Kinda like Ray Charles' grin. It's pretty good stuff. Who let THIS guy in here?!? Bill "flow disrupted" S. |
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"S o r n i" writes: Who let THIS guy in here?!? I just kinda stumbled in, in a Jim Ignatowski way. Sorry. I'll let myself out, if I could just find the fuggin' door. Or at least a window that's not stuck shut. cheers, Tom -- -- Powered by FreeBSD Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca |
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Bill Z. wrote:
Rick Onanian writes: Frank is effectively anti-helmet, and I spent a lot of time in a helmet war sparring with him. I did learn to respect him, even if I don't agree. His views may (or may not) be mistaken and/or inaccurate, but they are well-reasoned, not idiotic. There is a difference between well-written and well-reasoned. I think you are confusing the two. While Frank would occasionally make resonable statements, he would then continue by going off the deep end in an attempt to butress his argument by throwing up strawmen, and using other such tactics. Much of what Krygowski posted consisted of pure propaganda. I'd rather see propaganda than another helmet war incited out of an unrelated courtesy issue. I'd rather not see propaganda. It distracts from rational dicussions. Sorni's complaint basically hinges on me snipping a four-word, content-free wisecrack of his after finishing my post due to his No, his complaint is about what you failed to snip. What I didn't snip did not change the attribution of any quoted text, which is what he claimed. Sheldon Brown uses a tagline that says something like "The nice thing about standards is that there's so many to choose from". Consider that clarity, even if it requires flouting a standard (it didn't in this case), beats a standard whose clarity may be questionable, even if you think it looks obvious. One of the reasons for the usenet standard for quoting was to make it readable by both machines and by people, to aid in such tasks as archving, where you might want to search for a keyword someone used, as opposed to a keyword someone quoted another poster as using. Normal English quoting conventions are ambigous. For instance, if I write, "Candidate for Governor in love nest with 'singer'," a line (approximately) from _Citizen Kane_, the quote around the word _singer_ would not necessarily mean that I was quoting someone's statement but rather questioning if the woman was really a singer. The usenet convention avoids such ambiguities. Bill It's obvious you could teach a mule about stubbornness and a dunce about stupidity. jim |
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