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Old April 19th 07, 04:34 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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Hey, we get screamed at, doored at, spitted upon, pushed around and
even killed, isn't it time we enjoy the same benefits as other
Americans? When is a cyclist going into a rage and mow down all those
careless SUV drivers who make us feel worthless?

Imagine this scenario: You get hit and as you roll down the pavement
you draw and...

I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't
we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to
launch a good nonviolent campaign?

Here's a good identifying T-shirt...
http://www.cafepress.com/burncalories

Still Bush defends the right to bear arms

EVEN as President George Bush told the nation he was praying for the
victims, and that the killings in a place of learning would affect
"every American classroom and community", a White House official said
Mr Bush continued to believe in the "right to bear arms".

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Old April 19th 07, 04:51 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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Curtis L. Russell wrote:
On 19 Apr 2007 08:34:20 -0700, donquijote1954
wrote:

I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't
we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to
launch a good nonviolent campaign?


I don't expect 'normal' from you, but don't you find this just a
little bit tasteless considering what just happened on the Virginia
Tech campus?

And using 'Republicans' must be your way to compensate for not being
able to actually make a complete, cogent thought on your own. I'm sure
there are some reflexive 'thinkers' such as yourself that will think
you made some point or another.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack
job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like
those at the campus on Monday.

Now as to cyclists packing heat, thats just extra weight I don't want to
carry around on my rides.

Ken
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Old April 19th 07, 05:03 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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On 19 Apr 2007 08:34:20 -0700, donquijote1954
wrote:

Hey, we get screamed at, doored at, spitted upon, pushed around and
even killed, isn't it time we enjoy the same benefits as other
Americans? When is a cyclist going into a rage and mow down all those
careless SUV drivers who make us feel worthless?

Imagine this scenario: You get hit and as you roll down the pavement
you draw and...

I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't
we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to
launch a good nonviolent campaign?

Here's a good identifying T-shirt...
http://www.cafepress.com/burncalories

Still Bush defends the right to bear arms


Still, it's the Constitution that affirms ( not 'gives' ) that
RIGHT, and he abides by the Constitution.


EVEN as President George Bush told the nation he was praying for the
victims, and that the killings in a place of learning would affect
"every American classroom and community", a White House official said
Mr Bush continued to believe in the "right to bear arms".


Excellent ! He supports the Constitution and fundamental
rights now matter HOW much the left-wing nutters would like to ignore
those things in their never ending drive to engineer a society more to
their own liking !


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Old April 19th 07, 05:07 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:51:02 -0400, Just A User
wrote:

Curtis L. Russell wrote:
On 19 Apr 2007 08:34:20 -0700, donquijote1954
wrote:

I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't
we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to
launch a good nonviolent campaign?


I don't expect 'normal' from you, but don't you find this just a
little bit tasteless considering what just happened on the Virginia
Tech campus?

And using 'Republicans' must be your way to compensate for not being
able to actually make a complete, cogent thought on your own. I'm sure
there are some reflexive 'thinkers' such as yourself that will think
you made some point or another.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack
job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like
those at the campus on Monday.


Google 'Dunblane', and retract your statement.

And if you think a society where you are tracked on camera
from the moment you leave your own front door until the moment you
return, where you are REQUIRED to submit to criminal attack, where you
are PROHIBITED from defending yourself even in your own home, then I
suggest you move to the UK yourself.


Now as to cyclists packing heat, thats just extra weight I don't want to
carry around on my rides.


Then you better go on a diet, it's only ~ 1 -2 pounds.


Ken


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Old April 19th 07, 05:12 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:51:02 -0400, Just A User
wrote:

Curtis L. Russell wrote:
On 19 Apr 2007 08:34:20 -0700, donquijote1954
wrote:

I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't
we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to
launch a good nonviolent campaign?
I don't expect 'normal' from you, but don't you find this just a
little bit tasteless considering what just happened on the Virginia
Tech campus?

And using 'Republicans' must be your way to compensate for not being
able to actually make a complete, cogent thought on your own. I'm sure
there are some reflexive 'thinkers' such as yourself that will think
you made some point or another.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack
job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like
those at the campus on Monday.


Google 'Dunblane', and retract your statement.

And if you think a society where you are tracked on camera
from the moment you leave your own front door until the moment you
return, where you are REQUIRED to submit to criminal attack, where you
are PROHIBITED from defending yourself even in your own home, then I
suggest you move to the UK yourself.

Now as to cyclists packing heat, thats just extra weight I don't want to
carry around on my rides.


Then you better go on a diet, it's only ~ 1 -2 pounds.

Ken


Okay so that is one, but they are a lot less common than here in the U.S.

Here in the gun happy U.S. we have at least a couple of mass shootings
per year.

Oh yeah and the one you mentioned only resulted in half the number of
deaths as occurred on Monday.

Ken
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Old April 19th 07, 05:18 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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Curtis L. Russell wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:51:02 -0400, Just A User
wrote:

Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack
job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like
those at the campus on Monday.


Well, actually they do, but not in the quantity that the U.S. has, and
they seem to be somewhat less successful, even if the intent was
there. There have been incidents in Germany and Scotland and several
in Canada.

Starting this thread - often initiated by those who like to tell
everyone what they will do to this driver or another - is pretty much
stupid. Doing it today is what makes it tasteless to boot.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

I agree it's pretty tasteless, as I pointed out, until all guns are
banned and destroyed, these types of events will happen, but until that
time comes, control is the key.

Ken
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Old April 19th 07, 05:29 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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Just A User wrote:
Curtis L. Russell wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:51:02 -0400, Just A User
wrote:

Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a
wack job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents
like those at the campus on Monday.


Well, actually they do, but not in the quantity that the U.S. has,
and they seem to be somewhat less successful, even if the intent was
there. There have been incidents in Germany and Scotland and several
in Canada.

Starting this thread - often initiated by those who like to tell
everyone what they will do to this driver or another - is pretty much
stupid. Doing it today is what makes it tasteless to boot.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

I agree it's pretty tasteless, as I pointed out, until all guns are
banned and destroyed, these types of events will happen, but until
that time comes, control is the key.


Heaven knows the criminals will abide by laws and regulations. (Or, just
use gasoline and fertilizer.)


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Old April 19th 07, 05:31 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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In rec.bicycles.misc asshat1954 wrote:
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I'm touch surprised that it took you this long to crawl out from under
your bridge.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Many people will use this terrible tragedy as an excuse to put through a
political agenda other than my own. This tawdry abuse of human suffering
for political gain sickens me to the core of my being. Those people who
have different political views from me ought to be ashamed of themselves
for thinking of cheap partisan point-scoring at a time like this. In any
case, what this tragedy really shows us is that, so far from putting
into practice political views other than my own, it is precisely my
political agenda which ought to be advanced.

Not only are my political views vindicated by this terrible tragedy, but
also the status of my profession. Furthermore, it is only in the context
of a national and international tragedy like this that we are reminded
of the very special status of my hobby, and its particular claim to
legislative protection. My religious and spiritual views also have much
to teach us about the appropriate reaction to these truly terrible
events"
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Old April 19th 07, 05:33 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:12:32 -0400, Just A User
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:51:02 -0400, Just A User
wrote:

Curtis L. Russell wrote:
On 19 Apr 2007 08:34:20 -0700, donquijote1954
wrote:

I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't
we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to
launch a good nonviolent campaign?
I don't expect 'normal' from you, but don't you find this just a
little bit tasteless considering what just happened on the Virginia
Tech campus?

And using 'Republicans' must be your way to compensate for not being
able to actually make a complete, cogent thought on your own. I'm sure
there are some reflexive 'thinkers' such as yourself that will think
you made some point or another.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack
job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like
those at the campus on Monday.


Google 'Dunblane', and retract your statement.

And if you think a society where you are tracked on camera
from the moment you leave your own front door until the moment you
return, where you are REQUIRED to submit to criminal attack, where you
are PROHIBITED from defending yourself even in your own home, then I
suggest you move to the UK yourself.

Now as to cyclists packing heat, thats just extra weight I don't want to
carry around on my rides.


Then you better go on a diet, it's only ~ 1 -2 pounds.

Ken


Okay so that is one, but they are a lot less common than here in the U.S.

Here in the gun happy U.S. we have at least a couple of mass shootings
per year.


Population of UK - 60,000,000

Population of US - 300,000,000

Freedoms in the US - VASTLY more.


Oh yeah and the one you mentioned only resulted in half the number of
deaths as occurred on Monday.


Meaningless.

You do not set national policy for 60,000,000 people or
300,000,000 people based on the aberrant acts of one or two or 10 or
100 lunatics.

You do not base a society's laws on 'What limits should be
placed on the worst of us ( or, in the case of VA Tech, the worst of
what we allow to come in from some other country ), to craziest of us,
the most anti-social and dangerous of us.


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Old April 19th 07, 05:34 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:18:19 -0400, Just A User
wrote:

Curtis L. Russell wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:51:02 -0400, Just A User
wrote:

Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack
job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like
those at the campus on Monday.


Well, actually they do, but not in the quantity that the U.S. has, and
they seem to be somewhat less successful, even if the intent was
there. There have been incidents in Germany and Scotland and several
in Canada.

Starting this thread - often initiated by those who like to tell
everyone what they will do to this driver or another - is pretty much
stupid. Doing it today is what makes it tasteless to boot.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

I agree it's pretty tasteless, as I pointed out, until all guns are
banned and destroyed, these types of events will happen, but until that
time comes, control is the key.

Ken


Yeh, right. Let's only let the Government have them.

Where did you get that one, Mein Kampf ?



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