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Old May 6th 10, 07:16 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
David Hansen
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Default Partner's anger as death crash driver walks free

The law has failed again, another sentence which would be a joke if
it was no so serious.

http://www.dunfermlinepress.com/news/roundup/articles/2010/05/06/400008-partners-anger-as-death-crash-driver-walks-free/

The case also demonstrates that the usual suspects are wrong when
they whine about speed limits. Had the criminal been driving at or
below the speed limit, 40 mph, rather than between 50 and 60 mph,
then it is unlikely that he would have crashed into the cyclist.

As usual the criminal tried to blame the victim. Not only claiming
that the cyclist was on the wrong side of the road but also that the
cyclist did not have lights on his vehicle. Both claims were lies.







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Old May 6th 10, 09:40 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Tom Crispin
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Default Partner's anger as death crash driver walks free

On Thu, 06 May 2010 19:16:06 +0100, David Hansen
wrote:

The law has failed again, another sentence which would be a joke if
it was no so serious.

http://www.dunfermlinepress.com/news/roundup/articles/2010/05/06/400008-partners-anger-as-death-crash-driver-walks-free/

The case also demonstrates that the usual suspects are wrong when
they whine about speed limits. Had the criminal been driving at or
below the speed limit, 40 mph, rather than between 50 and 60 mph,
then it is unlikely that he would have crashed into the cyclist.

As usual the criminal tried to blame the victim. Not only claiming
that the cyclist was on the wrong side of the road but also that the
cyclist did not have lights on his vehicle. Both claims were lies.


On the strength of that report, the sentence is a disgrace. But the
charge also appears wrong.

Do that have the charge of, 'Causing death by dangerous driving', in
Scotland, or do the Scots just have, Driving without due care &
attention, and Reckless Driving?
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Old May 6th 10, 09:48 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_5_]
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Default Partner's anger as death crash driver walks free

Tom Crispin wrote:

David Hansen wrote:


The law has failed again, another sentence which would be a joke if
it was no so serious.
http://www.dunfermlinepress.com/news/roundup/articles/2010/05/06/400008-partners-anger-as-death-crash-driver-walks-free/
The case also demonstrates that the usual suspects are wrong when
they whine about speed limits. Had the criminal been driving at or
below the speed limit, 40 mph, rather than between 50 and 60 mph,
then it is unlikely that he would have crashed into the cyclist.
As usual the criminal tried to blame the victim. Not only claiming
that the cyclist was on the wrong side of the road but also that the
cyclist did not have lights on his vehicle. Both claims were lies.


On the strength of that report, the sentence is a disgrace. But the
charge also appears wrong.


Do that have the charge of, 'Causing death by dangerous driving', in
Scotland, or do the Scots just have, Driving without due care &
attention, and Reckless Driving?


The report states that the conviction was for causing death by careless
driving (ie, causing death by driving without due care and attention).

I'd be fairly certain that this is as new an offence in Scotland as it is in
the rest of the UK. And equally sure that it is a charge used where the
prosecuting authorities (who of course know more about the case than anyone
here can) take the view that a charge of causing death by dangerous driving
is less than likely to lead to a conviction (because of the standard of proof
required).
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Old May 7th 10, 07:14 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Doug[_3_]
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Default Partner's anger as death crash driver walks free

On 6 May, 19:16, David Hansen wrote:
The law has failed again, another sentence which would be a joke if
it was no so serious.

http://www.dunfermlinepress.com/news/roundup/articles/2010/05/06/4000...

The case also demonstrates that the usual suspects are wrong when
they whine about speed limits. Had the criminal been driving at or
below the speed limit, 40 mph, rather than between 50 and 60 mph,
then it is unlikely that he would have crashed into the cyclist.

As usual the criminal tried to blame the victim. Not only claiming
that the cyclist was on the wrong side of the road but also that the
cyclist did not have lights on his vehicle. Both claims were lies.

As was the lie by the driver that he was not on the wrong side of the
road.

For the lies alone he should have had extra punishment. But as we all
know both the police and the courts are dominated by the car culture,
which seems to have a strong anti-cyclist, anti-vulnerable-victim
bias, amounting sometimes almost to hatred if these newsgroups are
anything to go by.

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Old May 7th 10, 09:42 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Squashme
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Default Partner's anger as death crash driver walks free

On 6 May, 21:48, JNugent wrote:
Tom Crispin wrote:
David Hansen wrote:
The law has failed again, another sentence which would be a joke if
it was no so serious.
http://www.dunfermlinepress.com/news/roundup/articles/2010/05/06/4000...
The case also demonstrates that the usual suspects are wrong when
they whine about speed limits. Had the criminal been driving at or
below the speed limit, 40 mph, rather than between 50 and 60 mph,
then it is unlikely that he would have crashed into the cyclist.
As usual the criminal tried to blame the victim. Not only claiming
that the cyclist was on the wrong side of the road but also that the
cyclist did not have lights on his vehicle. Both claims were lies.

On the strength of that report, the sentence is a disgrace. But the
charge also appears wrong.
Do that have the charge of, 'Causing death by dangerous driving', in
Scotland, or do the Scots just have, Driving without due care &
attention, and Reckless Driving?


The report states that the conviction was for causing death by careless
driving (ie, causing death by driving without due care and attention).

I'd be fairly certain that this is as new an offence in Scotland as it is in
the rest of the UK. And equally sure that it is a charge used where the
prosecuting authorities (who of course know more about the case than anyone
here can)


"the prosecuting authorities (who of course know more about the case
than anyone here can)"

Really? You don't say? Well, why have you never reminded us of that
useful fact before?

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Old May 7th 10, 09:51 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
bugbear
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Default Partner's anger as death crash driver walks free

Doug wrote:
But as we all
know


Would you be polite enough to stop
telling me what I "know"?

It's bad enough telling me what your half arsed opinions
and knowledge are, without you making unjustified
assumptions about mine.

BugBear
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Old May 7th 10, 12:40 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
David Hansen
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Default Partner's anger as death crash driver walks free

On Thu, 06 May 2010 21:40:34 +0100 someone who may be Tom Crispin
wrote this:-

On the strength of that report, the sentence is a disgrace. But the
charge also appears wrong.


Agreed.

The Courier has a little more
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2010/02/24/newsstory14598793t0.asp.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
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Old May 7th 10, 12:46 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Squashme
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Default Partner's anger as death crash driver walks free

On 6 May, 19:16, David Hansen wrote:
The law has failed again, another sentence which would be a joke if
it was no so serious.

http://www.dunfermlinepress.com/news/roundup/articles/2010/05/06/4000...

The case also demonstrates that the usual suspects are wrong when
they whine about speed limits. Had the criminal been driving at or
below the speed limit, 40 mph, rather than between 50 and 60 mph,
then it is unlikely that he would have crashed into the cyclist.

As usual the criminal tried to blame the victim. Not only claiming
that the cyclist was on the wrong side of the road but also that the
cyclist did not have lights on his vehicle. Both claims were lies.


Judge didn't think that 10 mph over the limit was reckless. No,
probably not, the majority of motorists do it. And they know best.
Until it goes wrong. And then the full majesty of the law is thrown at
their wrist.

"In a separate case, plumber McKay was fined 275 for threatening to
smash a three-foot metal plumbing tool over the head of someone who
was unhappy with the quality of his work, on 19th August last year in
Lochore.

He was also fined a further 50 for failing to turn up at an earlier
court appearance on 6th October."

Why are people like this allowed to drive potentially lethal vehicles?
Forget helmets for cyclists, personality tests for motorists could
save quite a few lives.
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Old May 7th 10, 01:53 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
ash
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Default Partner's anger as death crash driver walks free

On 6 May, 19:16, David Hansen wrote:
The law has failed again, another sentence which would be a joke if
it was no so serious.

http://www.dunfermlinepress.com/news/roundup/articles/2010/05/06/4000...

The case also demonstrates that the usual suspects are wrong when
they whine about speed limits. Had the criminal been driving at or
below the speed limit, 40 mph, rather than between 50 and 60 mph,
then it is unlikely that he would have crashed into the cyclist.

As usual the criminal tried to blame the victim. Not only claiming
that the cyclist was on the wrong side of the road but also that the
cyclist did not have lights on his vehicle. Both claims were lies.

--
* David Hansen, Edinburgh
*I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
*http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54


To negotiate a bend isn't tantamount to murder, it is either dangerous
driving or undue care and attention. The laws punish on the actions,
not the consequences unless the actions can be proven to be carried
out with intent. He comes across as a badly trained knob who cannot
control his temper. I can think of a few on here who also fit that
description.
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Old May 7th 10, 03:05 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_5_]
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Default Partner's anger as death crash driver walks free

Squashme wrote:
On 6 May, 21:48, JNugent wrote:
Tom Crispin wrote:
David Hansen wrote:
The law has failed again, another sentence which would be a joke if
it was no so serious.
http://www.dunfermlinepress.com/news/roundup/articles/2010/05/06/4000...
The case also demonstrates that the usual suspects are wrong when
they whine about speed limits. Had the criminal been driving at or
below the speed limit, 40 mph, rather than between 50 and 60 mph,
then it is unlikely that he would have crashed into the cyclist.
As usual the criminal tried to blame the victim. Not only claiming
that the cyclist was on the wrong side of the road but also that the
cyclist did not have lights on his vehicle. Both claims were lies.
On the strength of that report, the sentence is a disgrace. But the
charge also appears wrong.
Do that have the charge of, 'Causing death by dangerous driving', in
Scotland, or do the Scots just have, Driving without due care &
attention, and Reckless Driving?

The report states that the conviction was for causing death by careless
driving (ie, causing death by driving without due care and attention).


I'd be fairly certain that this is as new an offence in Scotland as it is in
the rest of the UK. And equally sure that it is a charge used where the
prosecuting authorities (who of course know more about the case than anyone
here can)


"the prosecuting authorities (who of course know more about the case
than anyone here can)"


Really? You don't say? Well, why have you never reminded us of that
useful fact before?


What are you talking about (assuming you know)?
 




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