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Old April 25th 08, 03:15 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
ComandanteBanana
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Default It's like a jungle out there for bike riders

"The bicyclist is under attack from all directions - the streets are
ragged, the air is poison, and the drivers are angry."

It's like a jungle out there for bike riders. And the attack comes
from the top and from the bottom... Lions on SUVs*, given to
zigzagging around and yapping away on the cell phone, threaten them
from the top, and rats from the underworld steal their wheels if not
their bike to support their crack addiction. And then you report it,
and it goes into oblivion. So it is that cyclists must stay in
constant alert for predators, like the monkeys of the jungle.

"Have you ever wondered why sport utility vehicle drivers seem like
such assholes? Surely it's no coincidence that Terry McAuliffe,
chairman of the Dem-ocratic National Committee, tours Washington in
one of the biggest SUVs on the market, the Cadillac Escalade, or that
Jesse Ventura loves the Lincoln Navigator. Well, according to New York
Times reporter Keith Bradsher's new book, High and Mighty, the
connection between the two isn't a coincidence. Unlike any other
vehicle before it, the SUV is the car of choice for the nation's most
self-centered people; and the bigger the SUV, the more of a jerk its
driver is likely to be."

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea....mencimer.html

Life in the jungle ain't easy...


RIDING A BIKE COSTS PEANUTS

OK, since the lion (for whom “peanuts” is not important) refuses to
listen to the monkey asking for bike facilities,* let's scrutinize the
secrets ($$$) of the political jungle, where “democracy” is the word
of choice…

"The highest measure of democracy is neither the 'extent of freedom'
nor the 'extent of equality', but rather the highest measure of
participation" -A. d. Benoist

Then I'd assume that 50% of the American public and 80% of the young
who don't vote do not live in democracy. Or perhaps they see it as a
waste of time --and money.

“Remember the Golden Rule: Those with the Gold, Rule” (saying)

“The Best Democracy Money Can Buy” (title of book)

And this one...

"Freedom is when the people can speak, democracy is when the
government listens" -Alastair Farrugia

Oh, that one was so good. So let's see: The monkey can cry all he
wants but he will be ignored. Tough life that of the monkey.

Other quotes...

"Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is
silence about truth" -Aldous Huxley

That one was deep. We all live in the lie (notice the word “lie” in li-
on). And look at this one...

"The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they
don't have any" -Alice Walker

And this would threaten the order in the jungle...

"Democracy is when the indigent, and not the men of property, are the
rulers" -Aristotle

And here they must be talking about the lion...

"The wild, cruel beast is not behind the bars of the cage. He is in
front of it" -Axel Munthe

Many more quotes to entertain yourself are found at the link below. I
hope you use them responsibly and don't start a revolution.

http://www.democracy.ru/english/quotes.php

*Riding a bike is good for the environment, great for peace, and
excellent for your health. We need facilities, though, like BIKE LANES
to be safe.

WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
(T-shirts to help you survive in the jungle, no kidding)

http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
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Old April 25th 08, 06:40 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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On Apr 25, 1:02 pm, Gunner wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:19:27 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana

wrote:
So it is that cyclists must stay in
constant alert for predators, like the monkeys of the jungle.


Monkeys are well known for throwing **** at passers by and making lots
of noise.

Perhaps that explains some of the posts from bike riders?

Perhaps yall may now have some grasp of the thinking of a longtailed
cat, in a room full of rocking chairs?

Gunner


The monkeys --sorry the cyclists-- you are talking about are the ones
in lycra. They are much noiser than the commuter type. And don't eat
peanuts.
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Old April 25th 08, 06:41 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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On Apr 25, 1:17 pm, Gunner wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:19:27 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana

wrote:
*Riding a bike is good for the environment, great for peace, and
excellent for your health. We need facilities, though, like BIKE LANES
to be safe.


Yes Indeed.

Btw..we managed to successfully avoid the democracy trap here in the
US, fortunately the Founders realized how dangerous a democracy is,
and gave us a constitutional republic.


I just have a problem with the language "by the people and for the
people..."

I wonder what the type of democracy they are exporting to Iraq... ???
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Old April 26th 08, 02:32 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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On Apr 25, 10:15*am, ComandanteBanana
wrote:
"The bicyclist is under attack from all directions - the streets

are
ragged, the air is poison, and the drivers are angry."


Bicyclists aren't under attack from all directions. Frankly, no one
cares enough to care, let alone attack them. But they are getting a
bad reputation from your posts.
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Old April 26th 08, 04:08 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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"Pat" wrote in message
...
On Apr 25, 10:15 am, ComandanteBanana
wrote:
"The bicyclist is under attack from all directions - the streets

are
ragged, the air is poison, and the drivers are angry."


Bicyclists aren't under attack from all directions. Frankly, no one

cares enough to care, let alone attack them. But they are getting a
bad reputation from your posts.


He also seems to do everything he can to be killed by a car just because he
thinks he can mix with car traffic and "own the road no matter how much
slower he is or how much he tries to cause a car accident to prove his
point. He is obviously the attacker, not the other people.

His comments on being attacked are pure fantasy in his mind, not reality.
You are correct, nobody cares enough to care. They are probably trying to
not hit him as he does things that could put them in an accident hitting
another car.

I know I sometimes have to drive in a way that increases my danger in order
to avoid hitting bike riders on narrow mountain roads in the Bay Area.


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Old April 26th 08, 05:23 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
Pat
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On Apr 25, 11:08*pm, "Jack May" wrote:
"Pat" wrote in message

...
On Apr 25, 10:15 am, ComandanteBanana
wrote:
* "The bicyclist is under attack from all directions - the streets
are
* ragged, the air is poison, and the drivers are angry."

Bicyclists aren't under attack from all directions. *Frankly, no one


cares enough to care, let alone attack them. *But they are getting a

bad reputation from your posts.


He also seems to do everything he can to be killed by a car just because he
thinks he can mix with car traffic and "own the road *no matter how much
slower he is or how much he tries to cause a car accident to prove his
point. *He is obviously the attacker, not the other people.

His comments on being attacked are pure fantasy in his mind, not reality.
You are correct, nobody cares enough to care. * They are probably trying to
not hit him as he does things that could put them in an accident hitting
another car.

I know I sometimes have to drive in a way that increases my danger in order
to avoid hitting bike riders on narrow mountain roads in the Bay Area.


I think his mindset comes from a post a week or so ago where he
mentioned a situation re his mother where he was in a car with her
when she tried to stop someone from running a toll and the person
brandished a gun at them -- or something like that. It may have
tarnished him for life and given him a twisted perspective on things.

It actually makes me feel bad for him.
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Old April 26th 08, 05:44 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
Amy Blankenship
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Default It's like a jungle out there for bike riders


"Jack May" wrote in message
. ..

"Pat" wrote in message
...
On Apr 25, 10:15 am, ComandanteBanana
wrote:
"The bicyclist is under attack from all directions - the streets

are
ragged, the air is poison, and the drivers are angry."


Bicyclists aren't under attack from all directions. Frankly, no one

cares enough to care, let alone attack them. But they are getting a
bad reputation from your posts.


He also seems to do everything he can to be killed by a car just because
he thinks he can mix with car traffic and "own the road no matter how
much slower he is or how much he tries to cause a car accident to prove
his point. He is obviously the attacker, not the other people.

His comments on being attacked are pure fantasy in his mind, not reality.
You are correct, nobody cares enough to care.


Then why do you guys spend so much time responding to him?


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Old April 26th 08, 09:50 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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In article ,
"Amy Blankenship" writes:

His comments on being attacked are pure fantasy in his mind, not reality.
You are correct, nobody cares enough to care.


Then why do you guys spend so much time responding to him?


There are people in the world who are on the verge of
making the decision to try transportational bicycling.
For some folks it might not work out, but for many
it would.

Those many for whom transportational cycling would work
do not need Chicken Little scaring them off before they
even give the idea a fair chance. So every time Don
QuickOats comes up with his anti-cycling razmatazz, he
needs to be refuted. I know it looks idealogical, but
it just isn't. /He's/ the screwy, wrong-minded idealogue,
and that needs to be pointed-out to incipient transportational
bicyclists. The fact is, not getting run-over is pretty easy
for anyone with half-decent eyesight.


cheers,
Tom

--
NOTHING is safe from me.
I'm really at:
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Old April 26th 08, 05:14 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
Amy Blankenship
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"Tom Keats" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Amy Blankenship" writes:

His comments on being attacked are pure fantasy in his mind, not
reality.
You are correct, nobody cares enough to care.


Then why do you guys spend so much time responding to him?


There are people in the world who are on the verge of
making the decision to try transportational bicycling.
For some folks it might not work out, but for many
it would.

Those many for whom transportational cycling would work
do not need Chicken Little scaring them off before they
even give the idea a fair chance. So every time Don
QuickOats comes up with his anti-cycling razmatazz, he
needs to be refuted. I know it looks idealogical, but
it just isn't. /He's/ the screwy, wrong-minded idealogue,
and that needs to be pointed-out to incipient transportational
bicyclists. The fact is, not getting run-over is pretty easy
for anyone with half-decent eyesight.


Yeah, but I have a hard time thinking Pat or Jack are motivated by that
sentiment.


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Old April 26th 08, 05:15 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
ComandanteBanana
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Default Which Side Are You On, the Lion Or the Monkey?

I'm going to paraphrase from this Ralph Nader email I got, "Which Side
Are You On?"... the Lion or the Monkey, which is to say the SUVs or
the bicycles? By the way, is Nader for the cyclists? I don't think any
candidate is. Monkeys don't count that much. But I remember Ralph used
to be concerned about car safety... Well perhaps he's really for the
monkeys...

Which Side Are You On?
If you believe that the Democratic Party is the answer to what ails us
as a nation, then please, be our guest -- give them some more money.

If on the other hand, you believe that the Democratic Party is part of
the system of corporate control and domination, then there is a clear
choice:

Support Nader/Gonzalez now.

Earlier this month, we wrote that it was "shameful" that progressives
like Medea Benjamin were supporting the Democratic Party over Nader/
Gonzalez.

Medea posted a response on one of our blogs, saying she was offended
by the accusation, and said we should "respect" each other's choices.

Medea used the word "respect" three times in one paragraph.

One person who was on the receiving end of Medea's "respect" in 2004
was Peter Camejo, Ralph's running mate in 2004.

We asked Peter to respond to Medea.

Please read Peter's essay carefully.

Pass it around.

And let us know what you think.

If you agree with Peter -- then please help fund our growing
alternative voice to the corporate two-party duopoly.

Have a safe weekend.

Onward.

The Nader Team


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Capitulation

By Peter Camejo

I was stunned to see Medea Benjamin complaining to the Nader/Gonzalez
campaign because the campaign had used the word "shameful" in
referring to "progressive" Democrats who had supported the pro-war,
pro-Patriot Act, anti-labor, and anti-environmental candidate John
Kerry in 2004.

I have great personal admiration for Medea Benjamin for many of the
stands and actions she has taken through the years. But her
capitulation to the Democratic Party has been truly disappointing.

Medea Benjamin eventually joined the "progressive" Democrats and has
become an active supporter of the Democratic Party.

Without the Democratic Party's support, Bush's war policies could
never have been implemented. The Democrats voted in Congress a
resolution that included the phrase, "unequivocal support for George
Bush's conduct of the war in Iraq."

They have voted for all the funding requests for the war in Iraq. In
2005 at the State of Union address, the entire Congress, with few if
any exceptions, gave George Bush 39 standing ovations in one hour.
They rose to their feet and applauded every time Bush used the word
Iraq even before he finished his sentence.

Of course this is nothing new for the Democratic Party. This is the
Party of human slavery, of the Jim Crow of 5,000 lynchings, of
fighting the right of women to vote, and of imprisoning Japanese
Americans in camps.

This is the Party that launched a war of mass murder killing two
million Vietnamese as the "peace" party in the 1960s. It is the party
that has supported the destruction of the trade unions, lowered taxes
for the rich -- while raising them for the poor. The Democrats voted
98% in favor of the Patriot Act in the Senate without reading it.

Earlier, 100 percent of Senate Democrats voted to confirm the right-
winger Antonin Scalia for the Supreme Court.

In 2004 the Democrats ran John Kerry for President -- the same John
Kerry who said he could implement Bush's war policies better than Bush
especially in increasing militarization in America and promoting the
war in Iraq.

What confuses so many progressively inclined people is they do not
really understand that our society is controlled by the corporate
power of concentrated money.

The corporations and the super rich -- through their domination of the
government, the media, and educational institutions and of course the
two parties -- run our society.

The totalitarian rule of money is a self correcting mechanism. It has
flexibility which is part of why it is so powerful.

The two-party system allows the appearance of differences and
adjustments to public sentiment. It has become the single most
successful political form for the rule of a minority over a majority
in the history of the world. How this system of control developed,
consolidated, and has survived through the years will be studied for
years to come.

The front line in this denial of democracy is the Democratic Party
because it is the instrument that controls, channels and co-opts the
forces that otherwise could challenge the rule of concentrated money.

It is precisely the "differences" between the two major parties that
makes the system effective.

And the front line in the battle for the control of money over people
are the so-called "progressive" Democrats who talk the talk. They
confuse people, prevent free elections, and fight hardest to undermine
a Nader/Camejo candidacy or a Nader/Gonzalez candidacy or any other
candidacy whose voice for democracy begins to be heard.

They may think they are helping move the country toward a more
progressive agenda. But in fact, they are deepening the illusion that
answers can be found through the Democratic Party. In turn, this
reinforces the two-party domination over the United States, making
possible the horrendous policies we have seen over the last eight
years.

You -- Medea Benjamin -- are now one of those on the front lines
defending the two-party domination, and as a direct result, defending
the rule of concentrated money and other illegalities and injustices
of our present system.

You can't have it both ways.

In 2004, the Democrats went further than just supporting Bush's
policies.

They led a massive campaign to silence the only well known candidacy
that opposed Bush's policies. They did this by manipulation.

They sent representatives into the Nader/Camejo campaign to disrupt
it, to seek to prevent his supporters from getting Nader/Camejo on the
ballot. They actively sought to prevent those who disagreed -- and
favored peace, social justice and democracy -- to have a voice.

They harassed people trying to petition for Nader/Camejo. They brought
at one time over twenty lawsuits to try to block Nader/Camejo's
campaign from state ballots. They spent tens of millions of dollars in
their battle against free elections and against voter choice.

Even today they are trying to "fine" Nader/Camejo tens of thousands of
dollars for merely seeking ballot access in the State of
Pennsylvania.

I personally had to pay them $20,000 not to have a lien put on my home
for having been Ralph Nader's Vice Presidential candidate.

The Democrats, especially the people you, Media Benjamin, call
"progressives," were the most vicious in their endless diatribes
against Nader calling him "crazy," "ego maniacal," "stupid," and
"agent of Bush."

Media Benjamin you are now shocked that the Nader/Gonzalez campaign
used the term "shameful."

Where was Medea Benjamin during the Democrats hate campaign against
democracy in 2004? You were campaigning for a pro-war candidate and
supporting the vicious anti-Nader/Camejo campaign.

Medea Benjamin in her effort to support John Kerry helped successfully
to manipulate within the Green Party support for David Cobb, the anti-
Nader pro-voting Democrat candidate who favored US occupation of Iraq
in two public debates with me.

She worked to get the Green Party convention to prevent Nader/Camejo
from being endorsed after Nader/Camejo representatives won a number of
Green Party primaries and state conventions, including California.

During the 2004 campaign, there was a letter on David Cobb's web site
titled "Vote Kerry and Cobb." And it was signed by Medea Benjamin,
among others.

If you are going to seek fairness and oppose "trashing," why don't you
start with all your friends whose extreme public attacks on Nader/
Camejo you never protested?

Why not promote among your Democratic friends the publishing of ads
apologizing to Nader and the American people for the twenty-four
harassing lawsuits in twelve weeks filed by Republican corporate law
firms like Reed Smith and Kirkland & Ellis and abuses they committed
in 2004 against the rights of the American people to have free
elections and voter choice?

Yes Medea Benjamin you have the right -- like so many before you -- to
seek to reform the Democratic Party. The truth is, however, that what
you actually achieve is to give cover for this pro-war anti-labor
political organization. Millions upon millions have tried to reform
the Democratic Party for decades.

The AFL-CIO went in to reform the Democrats with millions upon
millions of supporters only to be reduced from 33% of the work force
to 12% -- a submissively controlled force ineffective in defending
even their own existence -- unable to even get the Democratic Party to
repeal the notorious anti-labor Taft Hartley law of 1947.

The generation of progressive "leaders" that capitulate in 2004 will
have to be replaced by a new generation that will stand by principles
like the early abolitionists of the Liberty Party, the Populists who
led the uprising of 1890s, the Debsian socialists and Women's Party
activists of the early twentieth century -- and yes like Ralph Nader
who refuses to capitulate to a Democratic Party that has and is
selling out the American people.

Making personal attacks on Ralph Nader is starting to get a little
old. Maybe it's time for your Democratic Party friends to end their
political bigotry against Nader/Gonzalez.

Yes we should all work together on issues we agree on. Yes we should
try to get people regardless of what party they are registered with to
support specific objectives.

That is how the most massive peace demonstrations ever were organized
in the 1960s and 1970s or the millions who marched together for
immigrant rights just a couple of years ago. Of course none of those
actions were ever supported by your Party, the Democrats.

The ranks of the Democratic Party are desperately seeking change. In
time they will see that the Democratic Party cannot be and will not be
the agency through which peace, social justice and saving our
environment will come. On this issue you and I remain divided. On the
debate about this issue Nader and those supporting him have been
saints in their language in comparison to your friends in the
Democratic Party.

The Nader/Gonzalez campaign has nothing to apologize for. Nader has
been one of the most beautiful examples of showing respect for all
including those who disagree with him.

It is time for you and your Democratic Party associates to show
respect and apologize to Ralph Nader.

 




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