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recommend a pedal for a clipless noob
On May 10, 7:07*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
wrote: On May 10, 9:01 am, Nate Nagel wrote: I don't think he's trying to make a sale because he's got a bucket full of used pedals of both types, and he doesn't sell shoes at all. *I was hoping to be able to walk in whatever shoes I ended up getting but that seems to not be an option for either? *Also, what about the new SPD-SL? Walking? Lots? IOW, shopping for groceries, or just store stops? With SPD, you can walk in sandals g. Google here, Sheldon Brown liked SPD sandals a lot. I've ridden fast, 30-mile group rides with a couple of SPD sandal users, no problems even when hammering. From there, the selection goes on out to other shoes, incl. Sidi Dominators, which have a very nice strap and buckle arrangement. Proper fit first, some people don't match up with Sidi but if they fit they're very good. Not cheap, last a long time. A bucket full of used pedals sounds like a good opportunity to borrow a couple of brands at least for a good tryout, which will cost you only the price of a new set of cleats if some used sets of those aren't off in another bucket g. Open to correction (please) but I think the SPD cleats you want are the SH-51's. *--D-y yeah, there is that, but I don't have any shoes. *My understanding is that the type of clips, to some extent, determines the choice of shoe. Or are there some shoes that are drilled for more than one type of clip? * If that is the case, and I can find a pair that fit, that might be exactly what I do. nate Some shoes accomodate both types of cleats. But usually these shoes do not have a recess for the small SPD type cleat. While they have holes to mount SPD cleats, the cleat just sticks out and is equally unwalkable as a Look or SPD-SL. Here is a picture of the sole of a Lake road shoe made to accomodate all sorts of pedals: http://www.lakecycling.com/images/Pr...le/cx_sole.jpg Here is a picture of an SPD specific sole in a touring type shoe with a recess for the SPD cleat (the rubber thing in the middle needs to be removed to mount the SPD cleat): http://www.lakecycling.com/images/Pr.../mx90_sole.jpg You can walk in those, but not the first type. For a shoe to be walkable, it needs a recessed cleat. SPD are the only type that can be in a recess in the shoe. However they do not need to be in a recess to work. Only to walk. IMO, if you have never tried clipless, there is no point in trying to figure out which type will be best. They are all so close once they are engaged, you won't miss any tiny advantages one may have over the other. The only significant difference is walkability. SPD in a recessed shoe can be walked with, everything else cannot. Joseph |
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On 2008-05-10, Luke wrote:
In article , Nate Nagel wrote: I'm not looking for "the best" just something that will work well, although I don't mind spending money if there's a real value in spending more. Most of my riding will be on roads, FWIW... I recommend SPDs. Unless your knees require ample float there's no need to go the more expensive Speedplay (Frogs)/Look route. Walkable SPD footwear is readily available in a variety of styles and practicality: sandals; casual, pseudo-running shoes; stiff soled, deep tread MTB shoes for competition; and winter boots. No shortage of options. And Wellgo and Shimano make Half(SPD)/Half(Platform) pedals if you'd like the option of cycling in non-cycling footwear. Having the Forte-rebranded Wellgo pedals, I heartily endorse them. Yeah, clipping in requires flipping the pedal to the right side, but you get used to it in a hurry. And being able to hop on in dressy shoes or heavy winter boots is nice. -- Kristian Zoerhoff |
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On 2008-05-10, landotter wrote:
On May 10, 9:01 am, Nate Nagel wrote: Hi all, I'm thinking about making the leap to clipless (I've got some fresh rat trap scars on the back of my leg, because I don't have either good pedals or good shoes at the moment) but am not sure what I should try first. Basic spd with your choice of basic walkable mtb shoe. I like the Nashbar/Wellgo/Ritchey pedal that runs $35 or so. Stomp and go. But as it's summer, if I was starting fresh, and was looking at riding my bike everywhere, I'd probably just get some comfy Keen type sandals and some big ole monster platforms with pins. Why go Keen-type when you can get the real thing from REI? http://www.rei.com/search?vcat=REI_SEARCH&query=keen+commuter&x=0&y=0 I picked some up on sale a couple months ago, and love them. Best SPD footwear I own. -- Kristian Zoerhoff |
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Nate Nagel wrote:
Hi all, I'm thinking about making the leap to clipless (I've got some fresh rat trap scars on the back of my leg, because I don't have either good pedals or good shoes at the moment) but am not sure what I should try first. |
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Art Harris wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote: Hi all, I'm thinking about making the leap to clipless (I've got some fresh rat trap scars on the back of my leg, because I don't have either good pedals or good shoes at the moment) but am not sure what I should try first. Most people are telling me to go SPD, but the guy at the LBS closest to my house tells me I really want Looks for more float (makes sense.) I would recomment dual-sided SPD pedals such as the PD-M520. It has enough float I started out with Look pedals in the early '90s when they were the only think around, and used them untill a few years ago. If you do any amount of walking, an SPD pedal with a recessed cleat is a better choice. The Look pedals make you walk like a duck, and the plastic cleats wear quickly and tend to slip when you put a foot down. As for a shoe, I'd recommend the Shimano RT-51 because it has a good stiff sole which will eliminate "hot spots" due to cleat pressure on your foot. See: http://bike.shimano.com/publish/cont...51.-type-.html Art Harris Thanks to all for the replies, after following a couple of the links provided I think you all are on the right track with what I want. I see that REI has those M520's on sale through tomorrow, I might have to pick up a pair. (actually have an REI within riding distance) Unfortunately they don't seem to sell the shoes you recommend above; and after looking at what's available I think I might have to get fitted for some MTB shoes and then order online. I haven't seen anything like the shoes you recommend above in any of the local stores, but that seems like it would meet my needs (walkable, but not a MTB shoe. I guess the keyword I should be using would be "touring?") thanks again, nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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On May 10, 7:01 am, Nate Nagel wrote:
I'm thinking about making the leap to clipless (I've got some fresh rat trap scars on the back of my leg, because I don't have either good pedals or good shoes at the moment)... Ouch! ... but am not sure what I should try first. This decision was easy for me: I got a bike that already had SPD pedals on it. I found a pair of Shimano MT40 shoes that fit at the LBS, mounted SH-51 cleats, and was up-and-running. The system works swell, is inexpensive, compatible, okay to walk in, and doesn't look all dorky. I'm itching for a nice pair of SPD sandals for this summer. Going clipless is a definite "night and day" experience for riding. I just don't know if I'll be able to make the switch from Levi's to lycra as easily. |
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On May 10, 12:07*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
*My understanding is that the type of clips, to some extent, determines the choice of shoe. Or are there some shoes that are drilled for more than one type of clip? * If that is the case, and I can find a pair that fit, that might be exactly what I do. This is where it might be best to go to a store ("bike store" or other) that has shoes you're interested in, and get the fit right, before all else. Not the cheapest way but then look in ebay and note all the "new", "didn't fit" cycling shoes people are trying to get their money back out of, pending the next try at a good fit. The ancient lore of "cycle shoes gotta fit tight" is still around. Beware. Tight shoes are not necessary and are bad for your feet. That's where the Sidi buckle top strap/velcro toe straps work for me-- I can run the toe area loose, and keep my toes from sliding forward and hitting the inside ends of the shoes via top strap's buckle adjustment. Here's a sample from Sidi: http://www.sidiusa.com/tech/cleat_millenium2.html Which, FWIW, doesn't show the "SPD bolt on adapter with recess" that I have on my Spin shoes (Genius IV or V road shoes). It's like a plastic enclosure that bolts on to the Sidi sole, and carries a sliding, threaded metal plate that accepts the SPD cleat bolts. Kinda mickey- mouse but it works, OK for limited walking in Spin class situations. You can do some wwweb looking and get some idea of models and hardware with other shoe mfg's. I'm sure doing some googling of this ng would show some thread titles where you might get more general info, too. BTW, the SPD-SL "pontoon" style cleat beats Look (as mentioned) and Campy cleats, IME, not just for limiting wear, to some extent, while walking, but also for stability. Much better but still not any kind of a hiking shoe. --D-y |
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Nate Nagel wrote:
I haven't seen anything like the shoes you recommend above in any of the local stores, but that seems like it would meet my needs (walkable, but not a MTB shoe. *I guess the keyword I should be using would be "touring?") Yes, I can't understand why Shimano doesn't promote their SPD Touring shoes more. I use the now discontinued T092's. Recently Nashbar was selling the similar RT-50's (which seems to have been replaced by the RT-51). These shoes aren't as clunky as MTB shoes, and are great for road riding and walking. Good luck. Art Harris |
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Art Harris wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote: I haven't seen anything like the shoes you recommend above in any of the local stores, but that seems like it would meet my needs (walkable, but not a MTB shoe. I guess the keyword I should be using would be "touring?") Yes, I can't understand why Shimano doesn't promote their SPD Touring shoes more. I use the now discontinued T092's. Recently Nashbar was selling the similar RT-50's (which seems to have been replaced by the RT-51). These shoes aren't as clunky as MTB shoes, and are great for road riding and walking. Good luck. Art Harris hmm. don't seem to be much of anywhere to buy them based on a quick google - most of the hits are European. There also appears to be a more expensive RT-80, which I guess is an option as well. Do Shimano shoe sizes tend to be consistent across different product lines? Looks like I'd have to be fitted for a MTB or road shoe and then order the touring shoes online. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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