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Need help - Reynolds 20-30 or 531?
I have a couple of Raleighs from the 70's. One is a "Record Ace" and I
know that the tubing is Reynolds 20-30. The other is an unknown Raleigh, because all of the decals are gone, except the "Made in England" one. So how do I tell if my mystery Raleigh is Reynolds 531 or 20-30? It seems pretty light, but all I have have is the serial number. The original paint - sky blue - could have been from a number of different models. Are there any tell-tale signs? Thanks for the help. |
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Dear Dave:
The better Raleighs were made at the Carleton works and sometimes were identified as such on the badge. The better frames had forged dropouts, Campy on the International and Pro. Take a few pictures of the head lug, seat cluster, dropouts and and fork crown, and post them. Any old Raliegh rider could probably help you from there. good luck jn "Thursday" |
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Need help - Reynolds 20-30 or 531?
Dave wrote:
I have a couple of Raleighs from the 70's. One is a "Record Ace" and I know that the tubing is Reynolds 20-30. The other is an unknown Raleigh, because all of the decals are gone, except the "Made in England" one. 1020, 2030, 2040 etc usually refes to the kind of steel, in this case it would be high-tension steel with a relativly low content of cabon. - no where near the quelety of ordinary cromo or Reynolds 531. -- Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) http://blog.reippuert.dk PowerMac G5: 1.6GHz, 1.25GB RAM, 300+300GB SATA, 8xDVD+/-RW, Bluetooth mus + tastatur, R9600PRO, iSight, eyeTV200 & LaCie Photon18Vision TFT |
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Need help - Reynolds 20-30 or 531?
Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
Dave wrote: I have a couple of Raleighs from the 70's. One is a "Record Ace" and I know that the tubing is Reynolds 20-30. The other is an unknown Raleigh, because all of the decals are gone, except the "Made in England" one. 1020, 2030, 2040 etc usually refes to the kind of steel, in this case it would be high-tension steel with a relativly low content of cabon. - no where near the quelety of ordinary cromo or Reynolds 531. High tension is a relative term. 2030 was low tension compared with what we would like to own, but they can say that because it basically means "good quality" which can be anyone's estimation. If you can post pictures, I have a good chance of identifying the model, and I can even estimate the original selling price. I'm very familiar with 1970's Raleighs. -- Tom Reingold Noo Joizy This email address works, but only for a short time. |
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Need help - Reynolds 20-30 or 531?
If you got an old Raleigh and a serial number, Sheldon has an article
that might help: http://retroraleighs.com/dating.html |
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Need help - Reynolds 20-30 or 531?
RALEIGH 20-30 high-carbon tubing is steel plain-gauge tubing. It was
used on my 28 lbs Raleigh Grand Prix, circa 1972, and the USA Record Ace, a low-level bike in the USA, circa 1978. In the 23.5" size those frames were pretty light & lively. At the time it was possible to build a 22 lbs bike, this bike was 6 lbs heavier and perhaps half of the weight was on the frameset, and half was on the components (steel crank, hubs, rims, peddles, etc.) Send me a photo of the other bicycle including lugs & dropouts & fork crown and I can probably identify it for you - year and model. By the way, most of the low-end raleighs were made by Gazelle of Holland and so a "Made in England" bicycle is probably a better bike than your Record Ace. - Don Gillies San Diego, CA |
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A funny thing about the English Raleighs is that the high-end bikes
had unique lugs & fork crown, and the low-end bikes changed lugs & crowns & dropouts & brazing almost every year, and so its actually possible to identify a "nude 1970's raleigh" with no paint, down to the year, in most cases ... Here are the ingredients used to identify an old Raleigh 10-speed : Serial Number: Bottom Bracket(high end), Rear Dropout(low end) Dropouts : Huret/Zeus(Competition), Campy(Pro/Int), Simplex(RRA), Stamped Seatpost Size : 26.8, 27.0(531 butted), 27.2(531 double butted), 27.4(753) Lugs : Bocama, Nervex, Prugnat-Long, Prugnat-Competition, Capella Brazing : Seat Tube over-the-top(1972, earlier), Normal(1973-onwards) Rear Brake Stop : single(1974 or before), double(1975-onwards) Top-tube Cable Stops : Absent(Competition, Pro, Team), Present(Low-end) Fork Crown : Vagner(3 types), Zeus(Pro) Bottom Bracket : Generic, Nervex, Bocama Bottom Bracket Braze-ons : None(International, Professional, RRA), present Downtube Shifter Braze-ons : Competition, Professional, Team Chain peg : Team Rear Centerpull Stop : Present(not RRA/Competition(1976)/Pro), Absent(lowend) Chrome : Front Forks, Rear Forks, Fork Crown(Pro/SuperCourse), Lugs(Internat'nl) - Don Gillies San Diego, CA |
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Need help - Reynolds 20-30 or 531?
A funny thing about the English Raleighs is that the high-end bikes
had unique lugs & fork crown, and the low-end bikes changed lugs & crowns & dropouts & brazing almost every year, and so its actually possible to identify a "nude 1970's raleigh" with no paint, down to the year, in most cases ... Here are the ingredients used to identify an old Raleigh 10-speed : Comp: Competition CompGS: Competition GS, 1978-onwards Pro: Professional Int'l: International RRA: Special model offered only in 1973 Serial Number: Bottom Bracket(high end), Rear Dropout(low end) Dropouts: Huret/Zeus(Comp/70-76), Campy(Pro/Int'l,CompGS), Simplex(RRA),Stamped Seatpost Size : 26.8, 27.0(531 butted), 27.2(531 double butted),27.4(753) Lugs : Bocama, Nervex, Prugnat-Long, Prugnat-Comp, Capella Seat Lugs: Wrapover(1972, earlier), Traditional(1973-onwards) Rear Brake Stop : single(1974 or before), double(1975-onwards) Top-tube Cable Stops : Absent(CompGS, Pro, Team, RRA), Present(Low-end) Fork Crown : Vagner(3 types), Zeus(Pro,Comp(1974-6),SuperTourer(1974-6)) Bottom Bracket : Generic, Nervex(Comp-67), Bocama Bottom Bracket Braze-ons : None(Pro, Comp(1974-6),Int'l, RRA),Present Downtube Shifter Braze-ons : CompGS, Pro, Team Chain peg : Team Rear Centerpull Stop : Absent(RRA/CompGS/Pro),Present(low-end) Chrome : Front Forks, Rear Forks, Fork Crown(Pro/SuperCourse,Int'l),Lugs(Int'l) - Don Gillies San Diego, CA |
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