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Tubus Cosmo Rack = Expensive Crap for Posers
On Jun 4, 6:19*pm, SMS wrote:
On 6/4/2011 2:12 AM, Coolmaine wrote: snip Thanks, Steven. I believe the Massload rack you mention is the Madison Summit stainless rack. No, it's a different one. Madison Summit: http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/images/products/medium/madison-summit-allo... CL-476: http://nordicgroup.us/bicycleluggageracks/rackimages/massloadcl476.jpg As far as I can tell the Madison Summit steel rack is no longer available, but the alloy one is still sold. I'm not positive it's made by Massload. Massload apparently makes a lot of racks under contract that they can't show on their web site. Perhaps the CL-476 is one of them (I have the web archive of it). What's ironic is that clearly it's not a cheap low-end rack yet it's being sold in the U.S. by Landrider who makes cheap, "automatic transmission" bicycles. Other than being made of aluminum rather than steel, the CL-476 looks to be superior to the Summit in several ways, including the light mounting. Steel is preferable of course, for bicycle frames and especially for racks, but now a boutique item, like the $300 racks from Robert Beckman, http://www.robertbeckmandesigns.com/rackframes.html or the $210 Bruce Gordon rack http://www.bgcycles.com/racks.html. The Thorn Expedition (didn't Blackburn trademark "Expedition" for racks?!) might be good as well http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/thorn-expedition-steel-rear-cycle-pannier-.... Sold only by SJSCycles in the UK. Of that lot, I'd be inclined to go with SJS. I use the components recommended by their designer Andy Blance as a checklist: my bike must have those components or better. Their bike take big tours and are know to be reliable. I have an account with and am on their discussion board, mainly on the Rohloff sub-board, because a lot of knowledgeable guys hang out there. I'm not so sure that the SJS expedition rack would fit. Thorn bikes use 26 wheels and the biggest suitable tyres are 50mm Big Apples. I use 60mm x 622 tyres. I particularly want the lower pannier rail, and it is very nice to have a protected mounting for the rear light. For the time being the Tubus can stay, as I'm very busy with books and don't have time to futz around, though I wince every time I see its forward tilt. Perhaps on the day I decide to replace it there will be a more suitable stainless rack available. Thanks for your help. Andre Jute Visit Jute on Bicycles at http://coolmainpress.com/BICYCLING.html |
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On Jun 4, 6:43*pm, David Scheidt wrote:
SMS wrote: :On 6/4/2011 7:56 AM, Steve Freides wrote:: Coolmaine wrote: : : Once a manufacturer gets into this price bracket, his goodies had : better be perfect because his customers are likely to be both : impatient with failure and articulate. : : I'm sorry but that's just a ridiculous expectation on your part. *Not : every purchase one makes "works out" - sometimes something that's worth : the price to most people isn't worth it to you, and that's just life. : Find a rack that you like or, if money is truly no object, go get : yourself a custom-made model that'll be what you want. *Maybe you need : to go to a bike shop next time and pay for installation - they'll have : all the necessary hardware to make it work and they won't whine about : it. :The chance of finding a bicycle shop that actually sells good rear racks :is extremely slim, but I suppose that some shops would be able to roperly install the rack with lock washers and thread-lock. Shop better bike shops. * Which I'm supposed to find exactly where. You're another clown shooting off at the mouth without doing the slightest research, Scheidt. And lock washers do nothing, so I give Torbus credit for not bowing to the idiot customers who complain that they dont' get useless junk with their rack hardware. * And you English comprehension is wanting too. I said clearly that Tubus was short some necessary nuts as well. In any event, I would expect them to apply the threadlock to a rack advertised as easy to fit. In this day and age, if you want to charge a 130% premium for your name, you'd better not make it atrociously difficult for your customers to use your product. Andre Jute Definitely not an "idiot customer". merely on a newsgroup with several blustering quarterwits with tunnel vision |
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On Jun 4, 9:00*pm, DougC wrote:
On a semi-related note, I have never, ever understood why frame companies use tiny lower bolts for racks. They're using 3mm bolts when they should be using 6mm or more. Yea I know there's custom frames with integral racks, but that's expensive and not necessary for all bikes. All that would be needed would be to double the lower-end bolt diameters, and make sure they're placed properly to have enough room for a nylon locking nut and 3-4mm of extra bolt length on the inside. Tubus used proper-sized bolts, Doug. They aren't actually incompetent. Just careless. I like the idea of nyloc nuts much better than threadlock, which will probably get on my hands. I don't mind buying longer bolts if necessary. Bolts are easily available where I live in stainless in a variety of lengths and finishes, no problemo, and I can also get nyloc nuts in a selection of sizes, or just buy a whole box of each size from RS, my electronics pusher; they're cheap enough. Thanks, man. Andre Jute Visit Jute on Amps at http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/ "wonderfully well written and reasoned information for the tube audio constructor" John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare "an unbelievably comprehensive web site containing vital gems of wisdom" Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review |
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On Jun 5, 10:08*am, Tosspot wrote:
On 06/05/2011 10:56 AM, Coolmaine wrote: On Jun 4, 5:19 pm, Dan O wrote: On Jun 3, 3:35 pm, AMuzi wrote: I would have thought Tubus Cargo for your bike:http://www.vlerickfietsen.be/bagaget.../cargo_big.jpg That's the one I use - extremely satisfactory. http://i54.tinypic.com/348slys.jpg See, while my rack isn't heavily used, it isn't mollycoddled either, and it is used as a sacrificial item to protect an expensive bike. I clean the bike, a quick wipe, once a year; I'm not a compulsive waxer. So the rack will sooner rather than later become rusty if it is cromoly. So I want stainless. And this is where I discovered the only stainless rack I could buy is the Cosmo. There was only one other stainless rack even theoretically available, and I couldn't find one of those for sale. http://www.bicyclinglife.com/howto/heavydutyracks.htm:-) Nice work, Frank. I've saved that article, and the photos separately. I can get good quality stainless work done locally, except that they don't do tiny tubes... But bending up bar stock and laser-cutting hole would be a breeze for these guys. -- Andre Jute |
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On 06/05/2011 04:48 AM, Coolmaine wrote:
Why are you such an idiot, Freitos? The only local bicycle shop is staffed by an 80 year-old blacksmith. He would get the same supply of parts from Tubus that I do. I can't ask him to buy three whole boxes of stainless domed nuts at a cost of over sixty Euro, so he can use one of each on my bike. But you don't ask before you spout off, do you? You just assume there's a huge, fully provisioned and lavishly staffed bicycle emporium at the bottom of my block For bike hardware I keep a stock of nuts, nylocks and washers (as well as some long socket head cap screws, which I cut to length as needed when I need one in a pinch) in 5mm and 6mm sizes... even stainless is inexpensive from www.mcmaster.com (although depending on your locale shipping might be a bitch) nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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On 6/4/2011 4:29 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op 4-6-2011 22:00, DougC schreef: On 6/3/2011 5:13 PM, Coolmaine wrote: The good quality ali rack which came on my Utopia Kranich sacrificed itself to protect my bike when it was twice attacked by a carelessly driven Range Rover. Once I managed to straighten it but the second time it was crippled forever. ..... On a semi-related note, I have never, ever understood why frame companies use tiny lower bolts for racks. They're using 3mm bolts when they should be using 6mm or more. M3? Look again. Tubus use M5 bolts. Well my racks do. Lou I don't know what the exact size is--other than if they're the same size as the fender bolts, the rack bolts are too ****ing small. And they should be using bolts 2X as thick. |
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On 6/5/2011 3:48 AM, Coolmaine aka The André Jute wrote:
[...] Be smart, don't reply and irritate me further. Or...? -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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Op 5-6-2011 13:58, DougC schreef:
On 6/4/2011 4:29 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op 4-6-2011 22:00, DougC schreef: On 6/3/2011 5:13 PM, Coolmaine wrote: The good quality ali rack which came on my Utopia Kranich sacrificed itself to protect my bike when it was twice attacked by a carelessly driven Range Rover. Once I managed to straighten it but the second time it was crippled forever. ..... On a semi-related note, I have never, ever understood why frame companies use tiny lower bolts for racks. They're using 3mm bolts when they should be using 6mm or more. M3? Look again. Tubus use M5 bolts. Well my racks do. Lou I don't know what the exact size is--other than if they're the same size as the fender bolts, the rack bolts are too ****ing small. And they should be using bolts 2X as thick. M5 is more then adequate. Racks break almost exclusively along the welds. Lou |
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Tºm ShermªnT °_°" wrote:
On 6/5/2011 3:48 AM, Coolmaine aka The André Jute wrote: [...] Be smart, don't reply and irritate me further. Or...? I tremble ... Or insulate, or something ... -S- |
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On 6/5/2011 4:51 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
On 06/05/2011 04:48 AM, Coolmaine wrote: Why are you such an idiot, Freitos? The only local bicycle shop is staffed by an 80 year-old blacksmith. He would get the same supply of parts from Tubus that I do. I can't ask him to buy three whole boxes of stainless domed nuts at a cost of over sixty Euro, so he can use one of each on my bike. But you don't ask before you spout off, do you? You just assume there's a huge, fully provisioned and lavishly staffed bicycle emporium at the bottom of my block For bike hardware I keep a stock of nuts, nylocks and washers (as well as some long socket head cap screws, which I cut to length as needed when I need one in a pinch) in 5mm and 6mm sizes... even stainless is inexpensive from www.mcmaster.com (although depending on your locale shipping might be a bitch) In the Bay Area, the Japanese "$1.50" store Daiso, has a lot of socket head metric hardware in different diameters and lengths. But for threaded braze-ons on bicycles, thread lock makes the most sense. Those rack bolts and water bottle bolts do loosen up over time unless you use thread lock or lock nuts, and of course you can't use lock nuts on water bottle bolts. |
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