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Old October 24th 05, 06:09 PM
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"TimC" wrote in message
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On 2005-10-24, Kev (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Of the last 4 vehicles I have come into contact with, 3 were 4WDs (the
other was a stolen vehicle, where the drivers deliberately rammed me,
and one of the 4WDs was being controlled by a road rager who
fortunately chose to get out of his ego-cage in order to assault me).


what is wrong with your riding skills that you keep coming into contact
with cars?


Reaction times greater than 200msec. Damn it, I'm only human.

In the two road rage cases, it was me yelling out "hey!" to cars that
tried to merge into the lane that I had already occupied. "hey!" of
course being the most to-the-point thing that one can quickly say --
as far more effective than merely ringing my bell. The 4WDer
obviously felt like his penis was threatened by this, so got out of
his car and started pushing me around.... 50m from a booze bus with
flashing lights. Idiot. The other was a bunch of teenagers in a
stolen car taking it for a joy ride, so they got their thrills out of
being dangerous fools on the road. Hope they've met a tree now.


Then the idiot woman the other day obviously though I threatened her tits.

In one other case, a 4WDer was pulling out of a carpark, and was too
busy concentrating on doing an illegal U-turn to bother looking in my
direction. When she hit me, I managed to stay upright and avoided the
tram tracks and traffic in the opposite direction, and nearly fell
over when I came to clip out, and found I could barely move my leg.
She said "oh sorry, I usually am a very good driver -- I look out for
cyclists, but just forgot to look this time!". Oh well, at least it
wasn't the SMIDSY -- "Sorry Mate, I Didn't See You" -- I have to admit
I've never heard someone say "I didn't bother looking for you". And
she even took me to the doctor then the police station.


You'd prefer FYWYCF (f&ck you, where'd you come from?)

And the case 2 weeks ago was an idiot in a 4WD who didn't indicate,
barely slowed down, or look when he pulled into a parking spot. I was
possible not riding as defensively as I could (I should have taken the
middle of the right hand lane in order not to allow vehicles to pass
me when there wasn't enough room) -- although the traffic was
travelling rather slow at the time, and I thought it was safe. He
broke at least 2, possibly three laws (I'm talking to a lawyer
tomorrow), and I broke 0 laws. Unfortunately, he has left me a 2 day
visit to a hospital, $500 out of pocket, and with a much reduced
capacity to eat for the past almost 2 weeks (lay ruin to my plan of
doing the 210km around-the-bay, because I couldn't fuel myself). and I
didn't even get a single scratch on his fricking precious Urban Asault
Vehicle.


There is no place for 4WDs in city roads.


Obviously no place for accident prone cyclists either.

My only near misses riding in Sydney were with cars, taxi's usually, never
hit me though.

Every single one of mine
was a clean, never used in the bush vehicle. 2 of them were sole
occupant, and the other had two occupants. The one that got me last
time had a taller bonnet than my handlebars, which means he sure as
hell isn't going to see a lot of obstacles, and any human he does hit
will be hit in the torso, and will not have a chance of going safely
over the bonnet. Combine that with the fact that the vehicles are not
constructed to the same safety standards as required by law of normal
passenger vehicles, and that they are actively aggressive to non 4WD
users, and you have a vehicle that is extremely harmful to society.
But since it is so loved amongst Toorak style voters, of whom our
Johnny Howard love, I doubt they will be taxed comparably to normal
vehicles anytime soon.


You never consider us non Toorak, real offroaders exist do you, if it's
under 2 year old it doesn't exist to you Toorak cyclists.


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Old October 24th 05, 06:12 PM
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"Tom N" wrote in message
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Noddy wrote:

"fasgnadh" wrote
A diahatsu charade has a rear blind spot of a few metres when a
two year old is standing behind it.

For a 4WD its over 15 metres.


****ing bull****

What "4wd" would that be you ractionary ****?


http://www.nrma.com.au/pub/nrma/moto...rch/reversing-
visibility/index.shtml

"Contrary to popular belief, NRMA Insurance research reveals that 4WD
vehicles are not the worst when it comes to reversing visibility. In fact,
many perform better than popular sedans. ...no car type is inherently
better"

According to the test, the following (out of the cars tested) have
"Minimum
Distance to view test object (metres)" of 15m or mo

Peugeot 407 (Sedan) - with OEM sensors
Certain models of Holden Commodore
Toyota Prado
Land Rover Discovery
Honda Odyssey (5 Door Wagon)
Mercedes CLK500 (2 Door Convertible)
Holden Monaro CV8 (Coupe) - with OEM sensors
Holden Crewman (4 Door Ute)

"fasgnadh" wrote
4WDs are responsible for 50% of driveway killings of toddlers,
sedans, despite being much more common, only 20%.


Easily fixed with a reversing camera.

Unfortunately the fact that 4wds will hit ordinary cars at head height for
the occupants is not so easily fixed.

In the Used Car Safety Ratings at
http://www.mynrma.com.au/used_safety_ratings_4wd.asp
all the large 4WDs scored "Significantly more harm than average" in the
"How seriously is your vehicle likely to harm another road user?" rating
(which is vastly worse than any other vehicle category).

There are only 2 passive safety ways to avoid this problem of being hit by
a large 4wd.
1. Buy a large 4wd yourself (the nuclear arms race solution).
2. Get a car with side, curtain and front airbags.

I think the 5% duty on 4wds should be increased to 10% like other cars and
that 5% duty should apply to cars with 5 star ANCAP or EuroNCAP crash
rating that also have side, curtain and front airbags, plus maybe some
criteria based on pedestrian crash friendliness.


I'm yet to get this mythical tax break on any second hand 4wd I've owned,
stamp duty is same as cars up here.

In terms of crash protection for 4wd occupants, the safety ratings show
they are no better nor worse than other similarly sized cars.
http://www.mynrma.com.au/ancap_1.asp



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Old October 24th 05, 06:14 PM
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"Resound" wrote in message
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"Noddy" wrote in message
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"fasgnadh" wrote in message
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For a 4WD its over 15 metres.


****ing bull****

What "4wd" would that be you ractionary ****?

Regards,
Noddy.

Oh look, we've roused them

We're talking about toddler height objects. Try driving away from a white
post in your lard arse Landcruiser until you can see the whole reflector
at
the top. Then stop and see how far from it you are.Everything between it
and
the back of your vehicle is where you can't see a child. And I think the
word you're desperately groping for is "reactionary". Why yes, I actually
DO
react to things. You know...by thinking about them for example.

Who wants to take bets on an incoherent response or none at all?


I have no problems with visibility at all out the back of my Patrol ute,
maybe you're too short, hwen we all have camera's cars will be the deadly
killers then.



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Old October 24th 05, 09:21 PM
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I don't think Phil Kearns needs to prove anything.
What is Jack Haley's explanation for women buying big 4WDs?
Sounds a bit glib to me.

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Old October 24th 05, 09:46 PM
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Rainbow Warrior wrote:
"fasgnadh" wrote in message
...

Brash wrote:

"Brash" wrote in message
m.au...


The car accident that left the daughter of former Wallaby skipper Phil
Kearns with life-threatening injuries has reignited demands for upgraded
safety on four-wheel drives.


How about upgraded situational awareness for ALL drivers?


How about tyargetting the biggest killers first.

How about dealing with faulty owners of dangerous
machinery that is involved
in a disproportionate number of child fatalities...

"I bought a 4WD for my families safety" - Pigs Arse


Nineteen-month-old Andie Kearns remains on a respirator in a critical but
stable condition in The Children's Hospital, Randwick, after she was
accidentally run over by her father in the driveway of the family home on
Saturday.


Very sad. I hope the little tike gets well soon. But raging against a
machine, be it a 4WD or a centrfire rifle, serves no purpose. The
machines
can't hear you, and aren't to blam anyway.


A diahatsu charade has a rear blind spot of a few metres when a
two year old is standing behind it.

For a 4WD its over 15 metres.

4WDs are responsible for 50% of driveway killings of toddlers,
sedans, despite being much more common, only 20%.

I would say, you do the maths, but I don't think you can.



Figures I heard cars run over 90% of pedestrians, they should be banned.


If 90% of pedestrians were run over there would be a ban.

But cars would have to routinely mount the footpaths
to get 90% of pedestrians.

You didn't 'hear' such figures, you made them up.

Which is incredible rat ******* behaviour when kiddes are
being killed.

As I said, even though you took your socks off, you still
can't do the math.







"People buy them (4WDs) thinking they're safe, but they simply are not,"
Mr Scruby said.

http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.a...5936,15755676%
255E1702,00.html

4WD owners 'compensating'
By David Crawshaw
28jun05

FOUR-wheel drive owners will often tell you they chose their vehicles for
safety reasons.

But Pedestrian Council of Australia chairman Harold Scruby reckons it has
less to do with safety and more to do with compensating for anatomical
deficiencies.

"There's a Freudian factor; certain people have to buy these large cars
because they're missing elsewhere," Mr Scruby said today.

"The majority of drivers see (4WD owners) as aggressive and arrogant –
it's a certain type of person who has to have one of these vehicles and
sit above everyone else."

Mr Scruby today called for the removal of tariff reductions for 4WDs as a
study showed what many already suspected – that 4WDs are the most
dangerous cars on the road.

The Monash University study found 4WDs were far more likely than
conventional vehicles to kill or maim other road users.

Mr Scruby, who drives a Subaru Outback, said it was hard to tell to what
degree the people driving 4WDs were responsible for the high injury
rates, and how much was due to the physical nature of 4WDs.

It was not really possible to improve safety for the occupants of one
vehicle in a crash without compromising safety for the occupants of the
other, he said.

Mr Scruby called on the Federal Government to scrap tariff reductions on
4WD vehicles, and to apply lower tariffs to safer vehicles.

People who genuinely needed 4WDs, such as those in remote areas, could be
exempted from increased tariffs, he said.

But elsewhere 4WDs should be "taxed off the road".

"I don't think people in Mosman and Toorak should be getting these
vehicles at 5-per-cent tax when a Corolla is taxed at 10 per cent," Mr
Scruby said.

He also took aim at young drivers in regional areas who drove souped-up
utes often adorned with bullbars, aerials and stickers.

"In the bush every young driver wants to drive a Holden ute with a
bullbar," he said.

"It's a testosterone thing, it's all about 'mine is bigger than yours'."

NRMA vehicle policy expert Jack Haley said the high rate of injuries
caused by 4WDs was due to the type of vehicle involved, not the behaviour
of 4WD drivers.

The same tariffs should be applied to all cars, Mr Haley said.






  #26  
Old October 24th 05, 09:55 PM
fasgnadh
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wrote:
Rainbow Warrior wrote:

"fasgnadh" wrote in message
...

Brash wrote:

"Brash" wrote in message
om.au...


The car accident that left the daughter of former Wallaby skipper Phil
Kearns with life-threatening injuries has reignited demands for upgraded
safety on four-wheel drives.


How about upgraded situational awareness for ALL drivers?

How about tyargetting the biggest killers first.

How about dealing with faulty owners of dangerous
machinery that is involved
in a disproportionate number of child fatalities...

"I bought a 4WD for my families safety" - Pigs Arse


Nineteen-month-old Andie Kearns remains on a respirator in a critical but
stable condition in The Children's Hospital, Randwick, after she was
accidentally run over by her father in the driveway of the family home on
Saturday.


Very sad. I hope the little tike gets well soon. But raging against a
machine, be it a 4WD or a centrfire rifle, serves no purpose. The
machines
can't hear you, and aren't to blam anyway.


A diahatsu charade has a rear blind spot of a few metres when a
two year old is standing behind it.

For a 4WD its over 15 metres.

4WDs are responsible for 50% of driveway killings of toddlers,
sedans, despite being much more common, only 20%.

I would say, you do the maths, but I don't think you can.


Figures I heard cars run over 90% of pedestrians, they should be banned.


Don't pay any attention to stupid little faggy arse.


With his absurd claim that only 10% of pedestrians survive
cars, who would believe him. (But I don't think his role
as butt-boy for the car companies is a nice way for you
to criticise him ;-)

He wouldn't know a real fourbie from his mother's arsehole.


So math's is not his only disability?


Little faggy arse has the ****s with anybody
who has anything more than he does,


So he is one of those people who thinks his 4WD is
a status symbol which makes others jealous? What
a sad little tosser he, and you, must be.

And quite incapable of rationally debating the figures,
which show how dangerous he and his machinery are.

which, since he is a dole bludging uni******,
is almost the total White Australian population.


How can one person be almost the entire White Australian
population? Clearly you are a relative of his and share his
ineptitude with maths.

Or perhaps both of you are mewling infants, in which
case I suggest you don't stand behind 4WD's




  #27  
Old October 24th 05, 09:56 PM
fasgnadh
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Noddy wrote:


****ing bull****


Stange thing for an adult to be doing, but it
seems to make you happy.

  #28  
Old October 24th 05, 10:19 PM
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Rainbow Warrior wrote:
"TimC" wrote in message
...

On 2005-10-24, Kev (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Of the last 4 vehicles I have come into contact with, 3 were 4WDs (the
other was a stolen vehicle, where the drivers deliberately rammed me,
and one of the 4WDs was being controlled by a road rager who
fortunately chose to get out of his ego-cage in order to assault me).

what is wrong with your riding skills that you keep coming into contact
with cars?


Reaction times greater than 200msec. Damn it, I'm only human.

In the two road rage cases, it was me yelling out "hey!" to cars that
tried to merge into the lane that I had already occupied. "hey!" of
course being the most to-the-point thing that one can quickly say --
as far more effective than merely ringing my bell. The 4WDer
obviously felt like his penis was threatened by this, so got out of
his car and started pushing me around.... 50m from a booze bus with
flashing lights. Idiot. The other was a bunch of teenagers in a
stolen car taking it for a joy ride, so they got their thrills out of
being dangerous fools on the road. Hope they've met a tree now.



Then the idiot woman the other day obviously though I threatened her tits.


In one other case, a 4WDer was pulling out of a carpark, and was too
busy concentrating on doing an illegal U-turn to bother looking in my
direction. When she hit me, I managed to stay upright and avoided the
tram tracks and traffic in the opposite direction, and nearly fell
over when I came to clip out, and found I could barely move my leg.
She said "oh sorry, I usually am a very good driver -- I look out for
cyclists, but just forgot to look this time!". Oh well, at least it
wasn't the SMIDSY -- "Sorry Mate, I Didn't See You" -- I have to admit
I've never heard someone say "I didn't bother looking for you". And
she even took me to the doctor then the police station.



You'd prefer FYWYCF (f&ck you, where'd you come from?)


And the case 2 weeks ago was an idiot in a 4WD who didn't indicate,
barely slowed down, or look when he pulled into a parking spot. I was
possible not riding as defensively as I could (I should have taken the
middle of the right hand lane in order not to allow vehicles to pass
me when there wasn't enough room) -- although the traffic was
travelling rather slow at the time, and I thought it was safe. He
broke at least 2, possibly three laws (I'm talking to a lawyer
tomorrow), and I broke 0 laws. Unfortunately, he has left me a 2 day
visit to a hospital, $500 out of pocket, and with a much reduced
capacity to eat for the past almost 2 weeks (lay ruin to my plan of
doing the 210km around-the-bay, because I couldn't fuel myself). and I
didn't even get a single scratch on his fricking precious Urban Asault
Vehicle.


There is no place for 4WDs in city roads.



Obviously no place for accident prone cyclists either.

My only near misses riding in Sydney were with cars, taxi's usually, never
hit me though.


Every single one of mine
was a clean, never used in the bush vehicle. 2 of them were sole
occupant, and the other had two occupants. The one that got me last
time had a taller bonnet than my handlebars, which means he sure as
hell isn't going to see a lot of obstacles, and any human he does hit
will be hit in the torso, and will not have a chance of going safely
over the bonnet. Combine that with the fact that the vehicles are not
constructed to the same safety standards as required by law of normal
passenger vehicles, and that they are actively aggressive to non 4WD
users, and you have a vehicle that is extremely harmful to society.
But since it is so loved amongst Toorak style voters, of whom our
Johnny Howard love, I doubt they will be taxed comparably to normal
vehicles anytime soon.



You never consider us non Toorak, real offroaders exist do you, if it's
under 2 year old it doesn't exist to you Toorak cyclists.




Hmmmmm Does Glen Iris count? Does my 40 year old car count?
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Old October 24th 05, 10:26 PM
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fasgnadh wrote:
How about tyargetting the biggest killers first.


All you sheeple who eat up whatever the latest sensationalist media
beat up is really amuse me. Or it would if it wasn't such a depressing
reminder of how stupid humans are when they go into mob mentality.

But keep listening to your shock jocks with their baseless figures in
order to get you all foaming at the mouth and into your
pigeon-hole-hating states of mind.

What's on the menu next? Anyone know?

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Old October 24th 05, 10:43 PM
Rainbow Warrior
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"fasgnadh" wrote in message
...
Rainbow Warrior wrote:
"fasgnadh" wrote in message
...

Brash wrote:

"Brash" wrote in message
om.au...

The car accident that left the daughter of former Wallaby skipper Phil
Kearns with life-threatening injuries has reignited demands for
upgraded
safety on four-wheel drives.


How about upgraded situational awareness for ALL drivers?

How about tyargetting the biggest killers first.

How about dealing with faulty owners of dangerous
machinery that is involved
in a disproportionate number of child fatalities...

"I bought a 4WD for my families safety" - Pigs Arse


Nineteen-month-old Andie Kearns remains on a respirator in a critical
but
stable condition in The Children's Hospital, Randwick, after she was
accidentally run over by her father in the driveway of the family home
on
Saturday.


Very sad. I hope the little tike gets well soon. But raging against a
machine, be it a 4WD or a centrfire rifle, serves no purpose. The
machines
can't hear you, and aren't to blam anyway.


A diahatsu charade has a rear blind spot of a few metres when a
two year old is standing behind it.

For a 4WD its over 15 metres.

4WDs are responsible for 50% of driveway killings of toddlers,
sedans, despite being much more common, only 20%.

I would say, you do the maths, but I don't think you can.



Figures I heard cars run over 90% of pedestrians, they should be banned.


If 90% of pedestrians were run over there would be a ban.

But cars would have to routinely mount the footpaths
to get 90% of pedestrians.

You didn't 'hear' such figures, you made them up.

Which is incredible rat ******* behaviour when kiddes are
being killed.

As I said, even though you took your socks off, you still
can't do the math.


You say 50% another wowser says 80%, you are both plucking figures from
someones arse anyway.









"People buy them (4WDs) thinking they're safe, but they simply are
not,"
Mr Scruby said.

http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.a...5936,15755676%
255E1702,00.html

4WD owners 'compensating'
By David Crawshaw
28jun05

FOUR-wheel drive owners will often tell you they chose their vehicles for
safety reasons.

But Pedestrian Council of Australia chairman Harold Scruby reckons it has
less to do with safety and more to do with compensating for anatomical
deficiencies.

"There's a Freudian factor; certain people have to buy these large cars
because they're missing elsewhere," Mr Scruby said today.

"The majority of drivers see (4WD owners) as aggressive and arrogant –
it's a certain type of person who has to have one of these vehicles and
sit above everyone else."

Mr Scruby today called for the removal of tariff reductions for 4WDs as a
study showed what many already suspected – that 4WDs are the most
dangerous cars on the road.

The Monash University study found 4WDs were far more likely than
conventional vehicles to kill or maim other road users.

Mr Scruby, who drives a Subaru Outback, said it was hard to tell to what
degree the people driving 4WDs were responsible for the high injury
rates, and how much was due to the physical nature of 4WDs.

It was not really possible to improve safety for the occupants of one
vehicle in a crash without compromising safety for the occupants of the
other, he said.

Mr Scruby called on the Federal Government to scrap tariff reductions on
4WD vehicles, and to apply lower tariffs to safer vehicles.

People who genuinely needed 4WDs, such as those in remote areas, could be
exempted from increased tariffs, he said.

But elsewhere 4WDs should be "taxed off the road".

"I don't think people in Mosman and Toorak should be getting these
vehicles at 5-per-cent tax when a Corolla is taxed at 10 per cent," Mr
Scruby said.

He also took aim at young drivers in regional areas who drove souped-up
utes often adorned with bullbars, aerials and stickers.

"In the bush every young driver wants to drive a Holden ute with a
bullbar," he said.

"It's a testosterone thing, it's all about 'mine is bigger than yours'."

NRMA vehicle policy expert Jack Haley said the high rate of injuries
caused by 4WDs was due to the type of vehicle involved, not the behaviour
of 4WD drivers.

The same tariffs should be applied to all cars, Mr Haley said.








 




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