mechanical doping & MRI

http://www.cnet.com/news/mechanical-...-hidden-motor/

I wondered about a magnetometer. They're going to use MRI instead.
Graphic output sounds nice.

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- Frank Krygowski

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On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 7:03:42 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
http://www.cnet.com/news/mechanical-...-hidden-motor/

I wondered about a magnetometer. They're going to use MRI instead.
Graphic output sounds nice.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Hard to believe they use a conventional MRI which would rip the old Gruber Assist right out of the seat tube. If imaging were necessary, a plain-film x-ray would do the trick or millimeter wave scanning ala TSA. It's not like they have to take slices and find cancer.

-- Jay Beattie.

On 4/27/2016 10:18 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 7:03:42 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
http://www.cnet.com/news/mechanical-...-hidden-motor/

I wondered about a magnetometer. They're going to use MRI instead.
Graphic output sounds nice.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Hard to believe they use a conventional MRI which would rip the old Gruber Assist right out of the seat tube. If imaging were necessary, a plain-film x-ray would do the trick or millimeter wave scanning ala TSA. It's not like they have to take slices and find cancer.

Maybe ripping the motor out of the seat tube is a feature, not a bug!


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- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 10:03:42 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
http://www.cnet.com/news/mechanical-...-hidden-motor/

I wondered about a magnetometer. They're going to use MRI instead.
Graphic output sounds nice.

--
- Frank Krygowski

awwww c'mon guys dissseeesse ASO PR

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On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 7:39:28 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/27/2016 10:18 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 7:03:42 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
http://www.cnet.com/news/mechanical-...-hidden-motor/

I wondered about a magnetometer. They're going to use MRI instead.
Graphic output sounds nice.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Hard to believe they use a conventional MRI which would rip the old Gruber Assist right out of the seat tube. If imaging were necessary, a plain-film x-ray would do the trick or millimeter wave scanning ala TSA. It's not like they have to take slices and find cancer.

Maybe ripping the motor out of the seat tube is a feature, not a bug!

Sort of OT, but I was talking to my son about this last night, and he is more outraged by mechanical doping than body doping, which I thought was odd. He thought the six year ban for Van den Driessche was too light. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/van-...anical-doping/

He was also riffing on how a tiny motor is about the most obvious thing you can do to cheat -- the cartoon villain saying "I'll put a tiny motor in my bike and beat everyone!"

Sure, the mechanical doping thing is bad, but really, how many watts can one of those tiny motors deliver over the course of a stage. I would be more upset that a competitor had more red blood cells and more ability to exert and recover, particularly in a grand tour -- and body doping can kill a rider (clots and other problems), unlike a tiny motor which is just embarrassing.

-- Jay Beattie.

jbeattie writes:

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 7:39:28 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/27/2016 10:18 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 7:03:42 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
http://www.cnet.com/news/mechanical-...-hidden-motor/

I wondered about a magnetometer. They're going to use MRI instead.
Graphic output sounds nice.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Hard to believe they use a conventional MRI which would rip the old Gruber Assist right out of the seat tube. If imaging were necessary, a plain-film x-ray would do the trick or millimeter wave scanning ala TSA. It's not like they have to take slices and find cancer.

Maybe ripping the motor out of the seat tube is a feature, not a bug!

Sort of OT, but I was talking to my son about this last night, and he
is more outraged by mechanical doping than body doping, which I
thought was odd. He thought the six year ban for Van den Driessche
was too
light. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/van-...anical-doping/

He was also riffing on how a tiny motor is about the most obvious
thing you can do to cheat -- the cartoon villain saying "I'll put a
tiny motor in my bike and beat everyone!"

Sure, the mechanical doping thing is bad, but really, how many watts
can one of those tiny motors deliver over the course of a stage. I
would be more upset that a competitor had more red blood cells and
more ability to exert and recover, particularly in a grand tour -- and
body doping can kill a rider (clots and other problems), unlike a tiny
motor which is just embarrassing.

Perhaps there's someting subconscious that says he who risks death
deserves a bit of an advantage, but risking mere sanction and
embarrassment merits nothing. Not the attitude a sports regulator
should take, of course.

--

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 8:53:58 PM UTC-4, Radey Shouman wrote:
jbeattie writes:

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 7:39:28 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/27/2016 10:18 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 7:03:42 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
http://www.cnet.com/news/mechanical-...-hidden-motor/

I wondered about a magnetometer. They're going to use MRI instead.
Graphic output sounds nice.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Hard to believe they use a conventional MRI which would rip the old Gruber Assist right out of the seat tube. If imaging were necessary, a plain-film x-ray would do the trick or millimeter wave scanning ala TSA. It's not like they have to take slices and find cancer.

Maybe ripping the motor out of the seat tube is a feature, not a bug!

Sort of OT, but I was talking to my son about this last night, and he
is more outraged by mechanical doping than body doping, which I
thought was odd. He thought the six year ban for Van den Driessche
was too
light. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/van-...anical-doping/

He was also riffing on how a tiny motor is about the most obvious
thing you can do to cheat -- the cartoon villain saying "I'll put a
tiny motor in my bike and beat everyone!"

Sure, the mechanical doping thing is bad, but really, how many watts
can one of those tiny motors deliver over the course of a stage. I
would be more upset that a competitor had more red blood cells and
more ability to exert and recover, particularly in a grand tour -- and
body doping can kill a rider (clots and other problems), unlike a tiny
motor which is just embarrassing.

Perhaps there's someting subconscious that says he who risks death
deserves a bit of an advantage, but risking mere sanction and
embarrassment merits nothing. Not the attitude a sports regulator
should take, of course.

--

Perhaps the outrage is because the fundamental principle of bicycling is
moving oneself by one's own power. And bike racing is fundamentally
about who can do that the best. Mechanical doping violates that
fundamental principle, and does it dishonestly.

A bit related: Electric assist bikes are sure to become much more popular,
especially among people my age or older. And there's nothing wrong with
that. But a tiny voice in my mind still says "Aw, that's cheating."
Illogical, I know, but that little voice doesn't listen to reason.

- Frank Krygowski

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:22:52 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 7:39:28 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/27/2016 10:18 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 7:03:42 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
http://www.cnet.com/news/mechanical-...-hidden-motor/

I wondered about a magnetometer. They're going to use MRI instead.
Graphic output sounds nice.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Hard to believe they use a conventional MRI which would rip the old Gruber Assist right out of the seat tube. If imaging were necessary, a plain-film x-ray would do the trick or millimeter wave scanning ala TSA. It's not like they have to take slices and find cancer.

Maybe ripping the motor out of the seat tube is a feature, not a bug!

Sort of OT, but I was talking to my son about this last night, and he is more outraged by mechanical doping than body doping, which I thought was odd. He thought the six year ban for Van den Driessche was too light. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/van-...anical-doping/

He was also riffing on how a tiny motor is about the most obvious thing you can do to cheat -- the cartoon villain saying "I'll put a tiny motor in my bike and beat everyone!"

Sure, the mechanical doping thing is bad, but really, how many watts can one of those tiny motors deliver over the course of a stage. I would be more upset that a competitor had more red blood cells and more ability to exert and recover, particularly in a grand tour -- and body doping can kill a rider (clots and other problems), unlike a tiny motor which is just embarrassing.

-- Jay Beattie.

Cheating is cheating, regardless of how it is done.

But realistically, you do business with a guy and he cheats you....
are you going back six years later and do business's with him again?

I suggest that a more realistic ban is "life time".
--

Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:03:39 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

http://www.cnet.com/news/mechanical-...-hidden-motor/

I wondered about a magnetometer. They're going to use MRI instead.
Graphic output sounds nice.

MRI? I don't think so. You don't want anything that's even slightly
magnetic anywhere near an MRI machine:

"How dangerous are magnetic items near an MRI magnet?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BBx8BwLhqg

Methinks it would tear apart the bicycle (and the hiddent motor).

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