Sarah Hammer is a just as delusional as MC Hammer

Andy Coggan wrote:
On Oct 7, 10:01 am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Oct 4, 5:39 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Sep 22, 1:50 pm, "Robert" wrote:

"Andy Coggan" wrote in message

...
On Sep 19, 7:52 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Any road rider can beat her in the pursuit if they
wanted.

None from the US.

Andy Coggan

Maybe Armstrong if given half a chance.

I doubt it. From what I've seen, she lacks the anaerobic capacity to
be really good at pursuiting, even though she obviously has the other
characteristics (i.e., high aerobic power and low aerodynamic drag).

Andy Coggan

Are you telling me the 3km pursuit is an anaerobic event? I know the 4km
pursuit is basically an aerobic event.

Magilla

Cf.http://www.fixedgearfever.com/downloads/PASO.ppt, in particular
slide #2:

"The individual pursuit is a deceptively simple event favoring
specialists who possess superior aerobic fitness coupled with a high
anaerobic capacity, excellent aerodynamics, and specific technical
skills"

Armstrong obviously has the 1st and 3rd traits/abilities, as evidenced
from her performance in road TTs. From what I've seen she's also
mastered the specific technical skills required, in particular the
ability to pace herself appropriately and to hold a good line. What
she lacks, at least relative to the demands of the event, is a
sufficiently high anaerobic capacity (which typically provides ~25% of
the energy required during a 3 km pursuit).

Andy Coggan

Okay. That could be because both Ulmer and van Moorsel had pretty good
sprints and could win field sprints at the world class level.


And Armstrong?

Andy Coggan


Legweak sucks in sprints.

Magilla

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Oct 4, 5:31 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Sep 22, 11:38 am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Sep 19, 7:52 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Any road rider can beat her in the pursuit if they
wanted.

None from the US.

Andy Coggan

Sure, they could. Kristin Armstrong or even Dotsie Bausch could have
nail-punched Hammer had they bothered to master the velodrome and a
track bike. Both have the wattage. Heck when Dotsie won nationals in
the 3km pursuit last year, she fell off her bike at the start on the
same day. That's not exactly the sign of an experienced track pursuiter.

As for Bausch, she may have fallen off during her start, but that was
purely nerves, as everything else about her preparation and
performance was consistent with that of an experienced pursuiter. Of
course, that's to be expected given that she was coached by Hammer's
fiance. Even so, she, too, would be in danger of getting caught by
Hammer.

Bausch might have done a little training camp on the gerbil wheel, as
you say, but she certainly never trained for it or rode a single
competitive race in the pursuit.


Once again you seem to be misinformed: Dotsie trained at the LA track
under the tutelage of/with Andy Sparks/Sarah Hammer for about 2 mo
last summer. Moreover, she'd raced the pursuit at least once even
before nationals.

Andy Coggan


2 months is not a long time, boss. So in her second race in her life on
the track, you expect her to post her fastest pursuit times?

I think the issue is the same for most people: since she's not making
any money on the track, it's just a big ****ing waste of time.

Magilla

On Oct 7, 5:16*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Andy Coggan wrote:
On Oct 7, 10:01 am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Oct 4, 5:39 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Sep 22, 1:50 pm, "Robert" wrote:

"Andy Coggan" wrote in message

...
On Sep 19, 7:52 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Any road rider can beat her in the pursuit if they
wanted.

None from the US.

Andy Coggan

Maybe Armstrong if given half a chance.

I doubt it. From what I've seen, she lacks the anaerobic capacity to
be really good at pursuiting, even though she obviously has the other
characteristics (i.e., high aerobic power and low aerodynamic drag).

Andy Coggan

Are you telling me the 3km pursuit is an anaerobic event? I know the 4km
pursuit is basically an aerobic event.

Magilla

Cf.http://www.fixedgearfever.com/downloads/PASO.ppt, in particular
slide #2:

"The individual pursuit is a deceptively simple event favoring
specialists who possess superior aerobic fitness coupled with a high
anaerobic capacity, excellent aerodynamics, and specific technical
skills"

Armstrong obviously has the 1st and 3rd traits/abilities, as evidenced
from her performance in road TTs. From what I've seen she's also
mastered the specific technical skills required, in particular the
ability to pace herself appropriately and to hold a good line. What
she lacks, at least relative to the demands of the event, is a
sufficiently high anaerobic capacity (which typically provides ~25% of
the energy required during a 3 km pursuit).

Andy Coggan

Okay. *That could be because both Ulmer and van Moorsel had pretty good
sprints and could win field sprints at the world class level.

And Armstrong?

Andy Coggan

Legweak sucks in sprints.

So what made you think she could set the world on fire as a pursuiter?
The event doesn't demand much in the way of neuromuscular power, but
it places a high premium on anaerobic capacity. Thus, unless you can
at least hold your own in (long) sprints on the road, you're not going
to be World Champion in the pursuit, much less set the world record.

Andy Coggan

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Oct 7, 5:16 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Oct 7, 10:01 am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Oct 4, 5:39 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Sep 22, 1:50 pm, "Robert" wrote:

"Andy Coggan" wrote in message

...
On Sep 19, 7:52 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Any road rider can beat her in the pursuit if they
wanted.

None from the US.

Andy Coggan

Maybe Armstrong if given half a chance.

I doubt it. From what I've seen, she lacks the anaerobic capacity to
be really good at pursuiting, even though she obviously has the other
characteristics (i.e., high aerobic power and low aerodynamic drag).

Andy Coggan

Are you telling me the 3km pursuit is an anaerobic event? I know the 4km
pursuit is basically an aerobic event.

Magilla

Cf.http://www.fixedgearfever.com/downloads/PASO.ppt, in particular
slide #2:

"The individual pursuit is a deceptively simple event favoring
specialists who possess superior aerobic fitness coupled with a high
anaerobic capacity, excellent aerodynamics, and specific technical
skills"

Armstrong obviously has the 1st and 3rd traits/abilities, as evidenced

from her performance in road TTs. From what I've seen she's also

mastered the specific technical skills required, in particular the
ability to pace herself appropriately and to hold a good line. What
she lacks, at least relative to the demands of the event, is a
sufficiently high anaerobic capacity (which typically provides ~25% of
the energy required during a 3 km pursuit).

Andy Coggan

Okay. That could be because both Ulmer and van Moorsel had pretty good
sprints and could win field sprints at the world class level.

And Armstrong?

Andy Coggan

Legweak sucks in sprints.


So what made you think she could set the world on fire as a pursuiter?
The event doesn't demand much in the way of neuromuscular power, but
it places a high premium on anaerobic capacity. Thus, unless you can
at least hold your own in (long) sprints on the road, you're not going
to be World Champion in the pursuit, much less set the world record.

Andy Coggan


Well, I was going by what I know about the 4km pursuit, but I guess the
1 less km in the women's pursuit makes it a completely different event
and more suitable to sprinters.

By the way, why does cycling have different distances for women than men
in the pursuit - it's discriminatory.

Magilla

On Oct 8, 10:36*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Andy Coggan wrote:
On Oct 7, 5:16 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Oct 7, 10:01 am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Oct 4, 5:39 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Sep 22, 1:50 pm, "Robert" wrote:

"Andy Coggan" wrote in message

...
On Sep 19, 7:52 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Any road rider can beat her in the pursuit if they
wanted.

None from the US.

Andy Coggan

Maybe Armstrong if given half a chance.

I doubt it. From what I've seen, she lacks the anaerobic capacity to
be really good at pursuiting, even though she obviously has the other
characteristics (i.e., high aerobic power and low aerodynamic drag).

Andy Coggan

Are you telling me the 3km pursuit is an anaerobic event? I know the 4km
pursuit is basically an aerobic event.

Magilla

Cf.http://www.fixedgearfever.com/downloads/PASO.ppt, in particular
slide #2:

"The individual pursuit is a deceptively simple event favoring
specialists who possess superior aerobic fitness coupled with a high
anaerobic capacity, excellent aerodynamics, and specific technical
skills"

Armstrong obviously has the 1st and 3rd traits/abilities, as evidenced

from her performance in road TTs. From what I've seen she's also

mastered the specific technical skills required, in particular the
ability to pace herself appropriately and to hold a good line. What
she lacks, at least relative to the demands of the event, is a
sufficiently high anaerobic capacity (which typically provides ~25% of
the energy required during a 3 km pursuit).

Andy Coggan

Okay. *That could be because both Ulmer and van Moorsel had pretty good
sprints and could win field sprints at the world class level.

And Armstrong?

Andy Coggan

Legweak sucks in sprints.

So what made you think she could set the world on fire as a pursuiter?
The event doesn't demand much in the way of neuromuscular power, but
it places a high premium on anaerobic capacity. Thus, unless you can
at least hold your own in (long) sprints on the road, you're not going
to be World Champion in the pursuit, much less set the world record.

Andy Coggan

Well, I was going by what I know about the 4km pursuit, but I guess the
1 less km in the women's pursuit makes it a completely different event
and more suitable to sprinters.

*Completely* different? No. However, over 4 km it is easier to
overcome a relative deficit in anaerobic capacity by having a superior
aerobic power and/or lower aerodynamic drag.

Andy Coggan

On Oct 8, 10:36*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
why does cycling have different distances for women than men
in the pursuit - it's discriminatory.

Magilla


True.

So is having separate events, even when they are the same distance.

There is no defensible reason for having womens' only sports at the
elite level. People will whine and cry and say that there is, but
there isn't.

-rj

On Oct 8, 9:28*am, ronaldo_jeremiah
wrote:
On Oct 8, 10:36*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
why does cycling have different distances for women than men

in the pursuit - it's discriminatory.

Magilla

True.

So is having separate events, even when they are the same distance.

There is no defensible reason for having womens' only sports at the
elite level. *People will whine and cry and say that there is, but
there isn't.



Dumbass -


In other sports women and men do the same distances. Track and field.
Swimming. Triathlon. etc.

Cycling doing the different distances is weird. I'll bet Bruce has
something to do with it.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in message
...
On Oct 8, 9:28 am, ronaldo_jeremiah
wrote:
On Oct 8, 10:36 am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
why does cycling have different distances for women than men

in the pursuit - it's discriminatory.

Magilla

True.

So is having separate events, even when they are the same distance.

There is no defensible reason for having womens' only sports at the
elite level. People will whine and cry and say that there is, but
there isn't.



Dumbass -


In other sports women and men do the same distances. Track and field.
Swimming. Triathlon. etc.

Cycling doing the different distances is weird. I'll bet Bruce has
something to do with it.
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Golf - Less distance
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
In other sports women and men do the same distances. Track and field.
Swimming. Triathlon. etc.

Track and Field only relatively recently added 3000m steeplechase
and the longer distance track events.

On Oct 8, 11:36*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Andy Coggan wrote:
On Oct 7, 5:16 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Oct 7, 10:01 am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Oct 4, 5:39 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Sep 22, 1:50 pm, "Robert" wrote:

"Andy Coggan" wrote in message

...
On Sep 19, 7:52 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Any road rider can beat her in the pursuit if they
wanted.

None from the US.

Andy Coggan

Maybe Armstrong if given half a chance.

I doubt it. From what I've seen, she lacks the anaerobic capacity to
be really good at pursuiting, even though she obviously has the other
characteristics (i.e., high aerobic power and low aerodynamic drag).

Andy Coggan

Are you telling me the 3km pursuit is an anaerobic event? I know the 4km
pursuit is basically an aerobic event.

Magilla

Cf.http://www.fixedgearfever.com/downloads/PASO.ppt, in particular
slide #2:

"The individual pursuit is a deceptively simple event favoring
specialists who possess superior aerobic fitness coupled with a high
anaerobic capacity, excellent aerodynamics, and specific technical
skills"

Armstrong obviously has the 1st and 3rd traits/abilities, as evidenced

from her performance in road TTs. From what I've seen she's also

mastered the specific technical skills required, in particular the
ability to pace herself appropriately and to hold a good line. What
she lacks, at least relative to the demands of the event, is a
sufficiently high anaerobic capacity (which typically provides ~25% of
the energy required during a 3 km pursuit).

Andy Coggan

Okay. *That could be because both Ulmer and van Moorsel had pretty good
sprints and could win field sprints at the world class level.

And Armstrong?

Andy Coggan

Legweak sucks in sprints.

So what made you think she could set the world on fire as a pursuiter?
The event doesn't demand much in the way of neuromuscular power, but
it places a high premium on anaerobic capacity. Thus, unless you can
at least hold your own in (long) sprints on the road, you're not going
to be World Champion in the pursuit, much less set the world record.

Andy Coggan

Well, I was going by what I know about the 4km pursuit, but I guess the
1 less km in the women's pursuit makes it a completely different event
and more suitable to sprinters.

By the way, why does cycling have different distances for women than men
in the pursuit - it's discriminatory.

Magilla

My guess is they want the pursuit times closer together.